# Liberal has been suspended **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Tags:** suspension-banning\ **Created:** [August 18, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625 "2005-08-18T18:21:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/41 "2005-08-21T00:30:23Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Umm, you guys realize he was suspended for inappropriately bringing up his death notice in the heat of a Pit argument? He’s not on convalescance holiday - he’s stated quite plainly that his “biology” is not a concern of his so there’s no reason to expect him to “come back healthy” or at least any healthier than he is now. Considering his (typical) evasiveness in that thread when asked to explain what the doctor actually told him, I personally doubt that “death notice” is quite so definite or so imminent as he implied it to be. > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Basically, [a suspension] will happen if we think the poster will see the error of his/her ways with a brief “time out.” > [@CarnalK](#): > > I expect him back the exact same. I can hardly wait. 🙂 I expect him back exactly the same too, and wonder how effective a suspension will be considering that **Liberal** has never significantly changed his behavior for more than a few months since I’ve been on the boards. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/42 "2005-08-21T00:49:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > [Sesame Street mode] One of these things is **not** like the others…[/SSm] > Regards, > Shodan NO! I want the cookie! Lib is the only one not currently banninated? ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/43 "2005-08-21T17:10:41Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I expect him back exactly the same too, and wonder how effective a suspension will be considering that **Liberal** has never significantly changed his behavior for more than a few months since I’ve been on the boards. When we suspend someone, it’s to give them time out to collect themselves, reflect on what’s happened, and hopefully come back with better stuff. We try to give them the benefit of the doubt here – as we do more often than not with everyone on the board – in hope that they can turn things around. With the exception of spam artists and trolls who we try to remove as expeditiously as possible, we prefer to build the community. Banning a true member of the community is always a last resort and is never undertaken without some regret. We wish people wouldn’t take us to that place. your humble TubaDiva ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/44 "2005-08-21T17:42:01Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > I will never understand what all the animosity against **Liberal** is all about. I’ve read all the arguments against his posting style and whatnot, and I just don’t see the problem. > > Then again, I probably don’t take this message board as seriously as some others do. You’re not the only one. I think Liberal is one of the most interesting posters on these boards. I often find myself clicking on a thread after noting that he is the last person to reply just to see what he has to say. Half the pittings Liberal receives would sink without a trace if it was any other poster. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/45 "2005-08-21T20:28:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Whenever I read Spiritus Mundi, I will now always see the image of Melchett from Blackadder II. umm . . . _whooosh_? ---
**Author:** ![Nic2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@Nic2004](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nic2004)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/46 "2005-08-21T20:43:29Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > Be at peace, friend. I will soon be absent from the boards for a period also, during which the cognitive modules in my brain which judge significance and beauty will hopefully be outputting prodigiously. If you, too, seek the beauty around you, you will find it in spades. **SentientMeat** I regret hearing of your pending absence. I hope it is a short one. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/47 "2005-08-21T21:38:51Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > When we suspend someone, it’s to give them time out to collect themselves, reflect on what’s happened, and hopefully come back with better stuff. > > We try to give them the benefit of the doubt here – as we do more often than not with everyone on the board – in hope that they can turn things around. > > With the exception of spam artists and trolls who we try to remove as expeditiously as possible, we prefer to build the community. Banning a true member of the community is always a last resort and is never undertaken without some regret. We wish people wouldn’t take us to that place. > > your humble TubaDiva Perhaps I may ask what specific behavioral changes you hope to see in **Liberal** when he is allowed back? The announcement in this thread is extremely vague as to the reasons for the suspension, and far more so than other such announcements I have seen in other such cases. Normally a specific cause has been given. I would presume that the reasons go beyond merely discussing his health in a Pit thread in which he was being attacked, since as far as I know he has never done that before. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/48 "2005-08-22T03:08:37Z")
I can see where some of the animosity towards **Liberal** comes from. Dude be tough to debate with. He’s a larf riot though, and definitely a poster whose posts I look forward to reading. Enjoy the time off. Sleep in for a change. You’re old now and you need your rest. You know how cranky you get. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/49 "2005-08-22T10:40:00Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Perhaps I may ask what specific behavioral changes you hope to see in **Liberal** when he is allowed back? The announcement in this thread is extremely vague as to the reasons for the suspension, and far more so than other such announcements I have seen in other such cases. Normally a specific cause has been given. I would presume that the reasons go beyond merely discussing his health in a Pit thread in which he was being attacked, since as far as I know he has never done that before. Not playing the death card, as in “I’m fixing to die, so be nice to me” would be a great start. “Jesus is taking me home” may have worked for Oral Roberts, but that has traditionally been seen here as a lousy way to try to win an argument. We also want him – and everyone else – to lay off the constant political hijacks. Yes, there’s quite a bit of hijacking that goes on in threads and sometimes they end up being more interesting when they go in new directions, etc., but to make everything the same dreary political argument all the damn time, that’s abusive. If you find in an existing thread you want to be all political about it, make another thread already. This is especially true of threads in areas that are more nonpolitical. Liberal is aware of all of this. Whether he chooses to do something about it or not remains to be seen, but again, we’re gonna give him the benefit of the doubt here when he comes back. your humble TubaDiva ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/50 "2005-08-22T16:15:41Z")
Thanks for the response. That makes things clearer. ---
**Author:** ![other-wise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4bbf92/32.png) [@other-wise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/other-wise)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/51 "2005-08-22T17:52:25Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > Not playing the death card, as in “I’m fixing to die, so be nice to me” would be a great start. 😕 When did he ask people to be nice to him? I haven’t read all the Pit threads, but so far it seems he clearly requested neither sympathy nor lenience. Could you provide a link? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/52 "2005-08-22T18:03:54Z")
Normally, when you (as a member of society) claim to be dying, the normal reaction from others is to be sympathetic. While he may not have asked for such a result, he almost certainly knew that would be the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/53 "2005-08-22T18:25:09Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > Not playing the death card, as in “I’m fixing to die, so be nice to me” would be a great start. “Jesus is taking me home” may have worked for Oral Roberts, but that has traditionally been seen here as a lousy way to try to win an argument. It has been brought to my attention that some may believe my characterization above is what Liberal actually wrote in the kerfuffle that caused him to be suspended. For the record, here is what he said exactly, dropped in the middle of a big argument he was having with a lot of other people: > [@liberal](#): > > Besides, in all likelihood, I won’t be on this earth for more than another year or two. Comes out of the “You’ll be sorry when I’m dead” songbook afaic. We’re not having it. your humble TubaDiva ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/54 "2005-08-22T18:37:21Z")
Of course we hope Liberal has a long and happy life. Don’t drop dead just to spite me, now. 🙂 your humble TubaDiva Don’t be like this guy: [Told you](http://www.straightdope.com/Itoldthem.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/55 "2005-08-22T18:44:41Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > We also want him – and everyone else – to lay off the constant political hijacks. Yes, there’s quite a bit of hijacking that goes on in threads and sometimes they end up being more interesting when they go in new directions, etc., but to make everything the same dreary political argument all the damn time, that’s abusive. \*\* If you find in an existing thread you want to be all political about it, make another thread already. This is especially true of threads in areas that are more nonpolitical\*\*. Hear, hear! The bolded part I believe ought to be posted in the stickies for each forum’s rules. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/56 "2005-08-28T17:20:44Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > In light of recent events How come whenever I’m away from the board for a few weeks there’s always a thread that starts this way when I get back? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/57 "2005-08-28T19:37:53Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > How come whenever I’m away from the board for a few weeks there’s always a thread that starts this way when I get back? :dubious: So, you’re _admitting_ it’s **YOUR** fault? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2005, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/58 "2005-08-28T19:51:25Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > How come whenever I’m away from the board for a few weeks there’s always a thread that starts this way when I get back? :dubious: Reminds me of that joke about Hans & Esther. Silly, but funny, joke. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/59 "2005-08-28T22:07:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Reminds me of that joke about Hans & Esther. Silly, but funny, joke. 😉 Is the punchline “Look Ma, no Hans”? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2005, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625/60 "2005-08-29T15:30:15Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > So, you’re _admitting_ it’s **YOUR** fault? 😃 Is that a banable offense? If so I admit nothing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-has-been-suspended/317625.md?page=4)