# liberal media now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 4, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712 "2012-10-04T16:50:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/41 "2012-10-05T15:45:01Z")
Then let him say that. Or do something to call into question the veracity of the cite, instead of just saying they can’t check facts because, I don’t know, they don’t have “fact check” in their name or something. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/42 "2012-10-05T17:05:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Think progress isn’t a fact checker. Of their first five accusations, none qualify as even a “myth”, much less a lie. Just typical liberal advocacy from that site. Try [_Rolling Stone,_](http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romneys-five-biggest-lies-20121004) then. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/43 "2012-10-05T18:55:41Z")
Calling the mainstream media the “liberal media” is a conservative strategem. It does not matter what the mainstream media do or say, in any objective sense, the plan is to get the members of the media to be hesitant about reportage or even editorializing that supports progressive causes, and not at all hesitant abut reportage and editorializing that supports conservative causes. The idea is to get the media to reset their viewpoint on what is liberal and what is conservative, it’s called “shifting the goalposts.” I’m sure most of you know all about it. It has worked, and it has worked beautifully. The conservatives won’t stop doing it, they will always call the media liberal. Why should they change a winning game? ---
**Author:** ![Anduril](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Anduril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduril)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/44 "2012-10-05T20:02:40Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Calling the mainstream media the “liberal media” is a conservative strategem. It may be a conservative strategem. It could also have some truth to it. I’m not an American and nobody could call me conservative but, taking out the very biased sources from computation(Fox and NBC), it’s quite obvious to me that the media is much more biased towards Obama. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/45 "2012-10-05T20:10:06Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > It may be a conservative strategem. It could also have some truth to it. I’m not an American and nobody could call me conservative but, taking out the very biased sources from computation(Fox and NBC), it’s quite obvious to me that the media is much more biased towards Obama. I call you conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Anduril](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Anduril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduril)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/46 "2012-10-05T20:15:25Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > I call you conservative. Please explain and enlighten me on what conservative view I hold. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/47 "2012-10-05T20:23:19Z")
There is not question that the media is much more biased toward Obama, though the news media, as strong as its bias is, is still somewhat less than that of the rest of what may fairly be called “the media.” Liberals have an absolute lock on every avenue from which people get their information. They dominate the morning talk shows, the afternoon women’s shows such as _The View_ and **Oprah** , and the late night talk shows as well. Liberal views predominate in sitcoms and comedy acts, in entertainment magazines, and in Hollywood movies and celebrity evangelizing, and it’s even begun to infiltrate web service news pages such as those of Yahoo, etc… Increasingly also we’re seeing intolerance of conservatism in our schools. Teachers are lashing out at students who express conservative opinons or wear clothing in support of conservative candidates, and children wearing Rosary beads and other symbols of religious importance to them and their families which have been acceptable school attire for at least the last century are coming under fire and attempts are being made to prohibit their being worn at school. Yet even with all this the Dems only win elections by a few percentage points when they win at all, and twice as many conservatives self-identify as such as liberals self-identify as liberals. To me this speaks to the difficulty liberals always face in trying to get the public at large to buy into what they’re always trying to sell. Common sense and fairness trumps propaganda and class warfare to a much larger degree than one would expect given the tremendous amount of pro-left indoctrination going on these days. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/48 "2012-10-05T20:46:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Liberals have an absolute lock on every avenue from which people get their information. The fact that you completely ignore FOX News, the Weekly Standard, right-wing radio, and a _myriad_ other outlets I could name, renders your argument ridiculous right from the start. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/49 "2012-10-05T20:56:20Z")
I don’t ignore them, it’s just that they represent such a small percentage of the overall media juggernaut that the public is exposed to that they have little notable significance. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/50 "2012-10-05T21:10:37Z")
I named some, I think we could agree, conservatively biased media outlets, yet you just you dismiss them out of hand, almost as if they don’t exist. How can I argue that the conservative bias in the media is as strong as the liberal bias if you simply ignore them? I mean, come on, it’s pretty easy to say the media is liberally biased if you contend that there is no conservative media in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/51 "2012-10-05T21:28:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t ignore them, it’s just that they represent such a small percentage of the overall media juggernaut that the public is exposed to that they have little notable significance. How does that make any sense at all when Fox is the single biggest news source in America? Seriously, their viewership dwarfs CNN, CNBC, And MSNBC _combined._ ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/52 "2012-10-05T21:29:53Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > Please explain and enlighten me on what conservative view I hold. Don’t have to. This [drivel and abuse](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15556965&postcount=20) will suffice. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/53 "2012-10-05T21:32:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > There is not question that the media is much more biased toward Obama, though the news media, as strong as its bias is, is still somewhat less than that of the rest of what may fairly be called “the media.” > > Liberals have an absolute lock on every avenue from which people get their information. They dominate the morning talk shows, the afternoon women’s shows such as _The View_ and **Oprah** , and the late night talk shows as well. Liberal views predominate in sitcoms and comedy acts, in entertainment magazines, and in Hollywood movies and celebrity evangelizing, and it’s even begun to infiltrate web service news pages such as those of Yahoo, etc.. > > Increasingly also we’re seeing intolerance of conservatism in our schools. Teachers are lashing out at students who express conservative opinons or wear clothing in support of conservative candidates, and children wearing Rosary beads and other symbols of religious importance to them and their families which have been acceptable school attire for at least the last century are coming under fire and attempts are being made to prohibit their being worn at school. > > Yet even with all this the Dems only win elections by a few percentage points when they win at all, and twice as many conservatives self-identify as such as liberals self-identify as liberals. To me this speaks to the difficulty liberals always face in trying to get the public at large to buy into what they’re always trying to sell. Common sense and fairness trumps propaganda and class warfare to a much larger degree than one would expect given the tremendous amount of pro-left indoctrination going on these days. Completely wrong. For one simple reason. “Not a far right wing conservative” does not equal “liberal.” ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/54 "2012-10-05T21:40:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … Liberals have an absolute lock on every avenue from which people get their information. What a willfully ignorant, paranoid thing to say. You sound like you’re feeling sorry for yourself and making excuses\*. My parents and their friends get their news from ten different “avenues” … all of them to the right of Mussolini. They never even heard that Romney made any comments about Libya, never saw the 47% video, because they were ignored by all their media. My mother’s best friend has even dismissed Republican gaffes with “If it was really important, FOXnews would’ve covered it. I’ll wait and see if Rush or Hannity mention it.” \*And I’ve said the exact same thing when [redacted names of Liberal Ignoramuses here] say that “the righties control the media”. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/55 "2012-10-05T22:31:11Z")
> [@digs](#): > > \*And I’ve said the exact same thing when [redacted names of Liberal Ignoramuses here] say that “the righties control the media”. I’d be intererested in those names you redacted. I think you may be leaning over triple-backwards to supply a false equivalence. I’ve never heard anyone claim that the righties control the media, except in the obvious sense that all media are owned by rich men, women, and corporations, which is self-evident. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/56 "2012-10-06T04:52:52Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > I’d be intererested in those names you redacted. I think you may be leaning over triple-backwards to supply a false equivalence. I’ve never heard anyone claim that the righties control the media, except in the obvious sense that all media are owned by rich men, women, and corporations, which is self-evident. Or, I might just be lazy. I had to run, and didn’t want to spend the time to comb through Certain Dopers’ posts [cough] _Der Trihs_ [/cough]. But I’d be surprised if he and his ilk haven’t made an accusation like that. I know I’ve seen it two or three times already in October (either in the Pit, or Great Debates). And I’ve heard intelligent Liberals say it in person – it’s almost a reflex when you’re reading bad news that seems so biased, so often, that you just can’t believe it’s not endemic. ---
**Author:** ![Anduril](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Anduril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduril)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/57 "2012-10-10T00:07:25Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Don’t have to. This [drivel and abuse](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15556965&postcount=20) will suffice. In other words, you don’t have anything. As expected. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/58 "2012-10-10T07:21:30Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > I’d be intererested in those names you redacted. I think you may be leaning over triple-backwards to supply a false equivalence. I’ve never heard anyone claim that the righties control the media, except in the obvious sense that all media are owned by rich men, women, and corporations, which is self-evident. [“Clowns to the Left of Me, Jokers to the Right: On the Actual Ideology of the American Press”](http://archive.pressthink.org/2010/06/14/ideology_press.html) is an interesting article on this subject that takes a new perspective: The press has a complicated ideology composed of a number of features, including a dismissal of ‘True Believers’, the Fallacy of the Mean (the truth is midway between any two positions, even if one is sane and the other is utterly lunatic), and The Holy Dispute, where _any_ fight, real or fake, is worshiped because it will generate revenue. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/59 "2012-10-10T12:04:31Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > “The Messiah” has lost any number of debates. I recall him losing more than one in the Democratic primary in 2008 and at least one to McCain in 2008 as well. Here I’m defining “losing” as losing in the snap polls after the debate. > > But Obama’s still winning, and until we see some polls that indicate that this debate has done what no debate has since 1980, I’m going to stick with the CW that debates don’t move voters very much. How about these? [Romney takes lead in 11 swing states](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll) [Romney surges in Pennsylvania](http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/9/poll-shows-romney-closing-gap-pa/) You’re right, debates don’t usually affect things much. This one was different, probably because Obama lost it so badly and against all expectations. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712/60 "2012-10-10T13:02:19Z")
How did we get off the OP which asks what happened to the meme that the liberal media covers all stories in Obama’s favor, and that Romney can’t catch a break because it’s a rigged game? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-media-now/636712.md?page=4)