# Liberal, would you kindly give it a rest about Andrew Jackson? (mild) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347 "2008-01-05T00:17:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/1 "2008-01-05T00:17:20Z")
Look, **, Lib** , I know you happen to have very strong feelings against the treatment of your ancestors by Andrew Jackson. But I can’t be the only one who is tired of your hijacking of every [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=445387) that mentions Jackson. We get it. You don’t like him. You are pissed on behalf of your forefathers. But you’re NOT the only one who’s ancestors were abused by past tyrants.\* Please, someone asked for advice on a book-you commented on one you hadn’t even read, simply because it contradicted you feelings. Can’t you for once, let it go? I’m not trying to insult you. I’m simply trying to give you some advice? \*I see your Trail of Tears and raise you one [Drogheda](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Drogheda#Cromwell.E2.80.99s_siege_1649). Do you really want to go down this road? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/2 "2008-01-05T00:35:27Z")
I don’t really understand why he should let it go, sorry. If it’s a fact, and it’s relevant to the discussion, it’s worth saying and frankly, its not really the kind of thing to be asking people to shut up about. Godwinising a bit, I know, but would it ever be appropriate to say to a Jew “Oh, c’mon folks, we _already know_ millions of your people were systematically exterminated in WWII - can’t you just get over it?” ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/3 "2008-01-05T00:39:21Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] Please, someone asked for advice on a book-you commented on one you hadn’t even read, simply because it contradicted you feelings. [/QUOTE] To set the record straight, what I commented on was a documentary that someone announced would be on, and I watched it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/4 "2008-01-05T00:41:47Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] I don’t really understand why he should let it go, sorry. If it’s a fact, and it’s relevant to the discussion, it’s worth saying and frankly, its not really the kind of thing to be asking people to shut up about. Godwinising a bit, I know, but would it ever be appropriate to say to a Jew “Oh, c’mon folks, we _already know_ millions of your people were systematically exterminated in WWII - can’t you just get over it?” [/QUOTE] I didn’t say he shouldn’t be angry or feel it was a travesty. I think he should just turn it down a bit. Like I said, I don’t barge into every thread about Irish history bitching about Cromwell and the like. Or any thread about, oh, say Otto Von Bismarck. (My father’s family is also half-German, from Alsace-Lorraine, and came over around the time of the Franco-Prussian War). ---
**Author:** ![Wakinyan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wakinyan/32/352_2.png) [@Wakinyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wakinyan)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/5 "2008-01-05T00:41:59Z")
> [@](#): > > To set the record straight, what I commented on was a documentary that someone announced would be on, and I watched it. Yeah, yeah, but did it contradict your feelings or not? - That’s the important question here, Liberal-Shriberal? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/6 "2008-01-05T00:42:39Z")
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. I really think there are such atrocious episodes in human history that we have no right to tire of being reminded. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/7 "2008-01-05T00:44:18Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] I didn’t say he shouldn’t be angry or feel it was a travesty. I think he should just turn it down a bit. Like I said, I don’t barge into every thread about Irish history bitching about Cromwell and the like. Or any thread about, oh, say Otto Von Bismarck. (My father’s family is also half-German, from Alsace-Lorraine, and came over around the time of the Franco-Prussian War). [/QUOTE] Perhaps you should. I really mean it. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/8 "2008-01-05T00:56:09Z")
[QUOTE=Wakinyan] Yeah, yeah, but did it contradict your feelings or not? [/QUOTE] Obviously not. Have you read the link? The documentary reflected my feelings quite nicely, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/9 "2008-01-05T01:16:23Z")
Lib, are you the one who is writing “Indian Killer” on AJ’s face on the $20? I’ve seen it several times, and now I think I know who’s behind it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![AdmiralCrunch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@AdmiralCrunch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AdmiralCrunch)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/10 "2008-01-05T01:24:23Z")
[Quote=Guinastasia] I didn’t say he shouldn’t be angry or feel it was a travesty. I think he should just turn it down a bit. Like I said, I don’t barge into every thread about Irish history bitching about Cromwell and the like. Or any thread about, oh, say Otto Von Bismarck. (My father’s family is also half-German, from Alsace-Lorraine, and came over around the time of the Franco-Prussian War). [QUOTE=Mangetout] Perhaps you should. I really mean it. [/QUOTE] [/quote] And shit all over our Otto Von Bismarck threads? Half of MPSIMS is gonna have to move to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/11 "2008-01-05T01:37:20Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] \*I see your Trail of Tears and raise you one [Drogheda](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Drogheda#Cromwell.E2.80.99s_siege_1649). [/QUOTE] Oh get over it! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/12 "2008-01-05T01:38:33Z")
**Liberal** , your response in the other thread was childish and, well, _ignorant_. Not what we’re supposed to be about in these parts. (And of course, it’s not the first time you’ve reacted to the very mention of Jackson’s name with a childish tantrum.) **Guin** is right. This is a tiresome act, and [you’ve been performing it for a long time](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=136563&highlight=andrew+jackson+save+cherokee). You started bashing **Remini** without ever having read his work. If you _had_ read it, you’d know it was a warts-and-all description of Jackson. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/13 "2008-01-05T01:45:25Z")
It really his pretty sick that President Jackson adorns our $20 Bill. Probably the most common bill in use today with ATMs in heavy use. He really was a horrible shit of a human and a grossly overrated President. Pull him off and put Theodore Roosevelt, James Monroe or John Adams on the $20. No one will complain too much with that change. If nothing else all three looked better too. 😉 **Liberal** , what you did in the link thread, was a pretty quick politicizing of a Café thread. I agree with you about Jackson, I think you already know this, but maybe \*\*Guin \*\* is right and you should censor yourself just a little on this subject. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/14 "2008-01-05T01:54:03Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] It really his pretty sick that President Jackson adorns our $20 Bill. Probably the most common bill in use today with ATMs in heavy use. He really was a horrible shit of a human and a grossly overrated President. Pull him off and put Theodore Roosevelt, James Monroe or John Adams on the $20. No one will complain too much with that change. If nothing else all three looked better too. 😉 [/QUOTE] I don’t want to give the impression that I admire Jackson or anything like that. I agree with you on this point. (And hell, why is fucking Jefferson on the _two_ dollar bill? What’s up with THAT?) But like I said, this isn’t so much a debate about Jackson-or Bismarck, or Cromwell, or whoever. It’s about **Lib** ’s constant hijacking of threads about how much hated AJ, in discussions that have nothing to do with said opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/15 "2008-01-05T02:03:08Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] He really was a horrible shit of a human and a grossly overrated President. Pull him off and put Theodore Roosevelt, James Monroe or John Adams on the $20. [/QUOTE] Theodore Roosevelt was an egotist, James Monroe owned slaves, and John Adams was a self-righteous prig. ---
**Author:** ![Kneepants\_Erasmus\_the\_Humanist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/54ee81/32.png) [@Kneepants\_Erasmus\_the\_Humanist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kneepants_Erasmus_the_Humanist)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/16 "2008-01-05T02:30:21Z")
[QUOTE=AdmiralCrunch] And shit all over our Otto Von Bismarck threads? Half of MPSIMS is gonna have to move to the Pit. [/QUOTE] If not for your rather dubious username, I would ask you to marry me for this. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/17 "2008-01-05T02:34:27Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] Theodore Roosevelt was an egotist… [/QUOTE] If this were a disqualifying trait, our currency would have no presidential portraits at all. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/18 "2008-01-05T02:39:07Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] Theodore Roosevelt was an egotist [/QUOTE] The horror. Now I know what separates him from all our other Presidents. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/19 "2008-01-05T02:39:51Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] **Guin** is right. This is a tiresome act, and [you’ve been performing it for a long time](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=136563&highlight=andrew+jackson+save+cherokee). [/QUOTE] Huh? I don’t see how your link relates at all to this thread. **Guin** ’s complaint is about **Liberal** allegedly getting all het up about Jackson in threads where such het-uppedness in not appropriate. In the thread that you link to, **Lib** was responding to a thread specifically titled " Did Andrew Jackson SAVE the Cherokee?" You asked, in your OP, whether Jackson’s actions had “some beneficial effect,” and **Lib** clearly and unequivocally gave you his opinion on the matter. If you were seeking only the opinions of people who support Jackson, maybe you should have said so in your OP. But if you ask folks for their opinions on a historical subject, you’ve got to be prepared for the fact that, for some people, the subject in question might be a very big issue. To be quite honest, in that thread you seem to seem look at the fact that some people disagree with you, and draw the conclusion that “No one wants to think the problem through.” Did it ever occur to you that those people HAD thought the problem through, and still ended up with a different point of view from yours? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Socks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a8b319/32.png) [@Captain\_Socks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Socks)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347/20 "2008-01-05T02:46:16Z")
I’m getting a Google ad for an “Andrew Jackson Jihad”, whatever that is. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberal-would-you-kindly-give-it-a-rest-about-andrew-jackson-mild/432347.md?page=2)