# Liberals hanging with Conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 18, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hanging-with-conservatives/804815 "2017-12-18T22:53:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hanging-with-conservatives/804815/181 "2018-01-01T14:36:24Z")
> [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > They may not consciously be bashing rich people, but if it has never crossed their minds that it’s the end result of the tirades against “the elites,” I have to applaud the discipline they apply to doublethink. This doesn’t happen from what I’ve seen of right-wing communities. The closest they come is complaints about so-called crony capitalism, which is blamed on the government, or on reactionary sites you get Jewish conspiracy theories about Wall St. and Hollywood. > [@](#): > > Not sure if that’s a fair test - for every Musk who at least makes an effort to impact humanity in a positive way, there’s 20 Jeff Bezos billionaires … I offered it in jest because liberals/conservatives (capitalists) almost always love him, while socialists [detest him](https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/search?q=musk&restrict_sr=on) and derisively call him Rocket Jesus. > [@nate](#): > > So, I don’t think anyone here, but please prove me wrong, is in favor of communism or socialism You’re wrong, though it’s not a lot. I’ve thought about making a lefty poll here, but I’m not sure which choices to offer because there’s so many tendencies, e.g. M-Ls, anarchists, anarcho-communists, libertarian socialists, ultras, syndicalists, third worldists, and more – darned splitters. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hanging-with-conservatives/804815/182 "2018-01-01T16:13:25Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > This doesn’t happen from what I’ve seen of right-wing communities. The closest they come is complaints about so-called crony capitalism, which is blamed on the government, or on reactionary sites you get Jewish conspiracy theories about Wall St. and Hollywood. > > I offered it in jest because liberals/conservatives (capitalists) almost always love him, while socialists [detest him](https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/search?q=musk&restrict_sr=on) and derisively call him Rocket Jesus. > > You’re wrong, though it’s not a lot. I’ve thought about making a lefty poll here, but I’m not sure which choices to offer because there’s so many tendencies, e.g. M-Ls, anarchists, anarcho-communists, libertarian socialists, ultras, syndicalists, third worldists, and more – darned splitters. If it helps with your “research” - I consider myself a democratic socialist, in that I think there are some things that capitalism demonstrably does better. Seriously, have you seen the cars the Soviet Union produced? And SpaceX, since we’re talking about Musk, has demonstrated why space travel should have left the government domain a long time ago. 1/10th the cost for 10 times the capability, and they’re just getting started. On the other hand, there are things that I think are non-negotiable when it comes to socialism. We _should_ care for the elderly and disabled, and provide some support for people who are unemployed. And there are things that socialism demonstrably does better - healthcare for example. A profit motive in that industry is simply perverse and counterproductive. You cannot simultaneously have both the #1 priority of making profit, and also the #1 priority of providing the best healthcare possible. I’d note that If technology advances a bit more, my political stance would change as well. If we develop Star-Trek style replicators that can produce food, clothing, medicine, and any other type of goods from raw feedstock and/or trash fed into the machine and broken down to its component molecules, and we start harvesting asteroids so we effectively have unlimited resources, then I’d probably support full-on socialism / post-scarcity resource-based economy, since capitalism would no longer serve any useful purpose. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hanging-with-conservatives/804815/183 "2018-01-01T16:39:46Z")
> [@](#): > > On the other hand, there are things that I think are non-negotiable when it comes to socialism. We _should_ care for the elderly and disabled, and provide some support for people who are unemployed. And there are things that socialism demonstrably does better - healthcare for example. A profit motive in that industry is simply perverse and counterproductive. You cannot simultaneously have both the #1 priority of making profit, and also the #1 priority of providing the best healthcare possible. quoted for truth [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hanging-with-conservatives/804815.md?page=9)