# Liberals hate gays **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 21, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849 "2010-10-21T01:46:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/301 "2010-10-27T18:26:26Z")
I can haz 4skin? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/302 "2010-10-27T18:27:47Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > From the SDMB random hot topic generator: > > I demand that we circumcize kittens! > > (Will that do to get a trainwreck back on track. Or off track, I suppose.) Nice try, but come on. This was a thread started by **Scylla** to advance the argument that liberals hate gays. It was never supposed to be anything but a trainwreck. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/303 "2010-10-27T18:48:23Z")
Well, if you want the little fucker to stop clilmbing up into your lap and purring, thats sure one way of doing it! The kitten. Not **Scylla.** ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/304 "2010-10-27T20:04:49Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Nice try, but come on. This was a thread started by **Scylla** to advance the argument that liberals hate gays. It was never supposed to be anything but a trainwreck. Exactly. It was, as **Ludovic** suggests, concern trolling. I have no doubt that the OP really does support the repeal of DADT, but this thread is based upon a completely disingenuous interpretation of the politics surrounding the issue, and concern about the actual issue was clearly secondary to getting in pot-shots at Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/305 "2010-10-28T00:06:58Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Scylla > > I guess we’re back to your proposition that it is better to actively work against a group than do too little to help them. That proposition is, to me, a big ole pile of rationalized crap. Yeah, to me, too. And for the 87th fucking time, that is not my proposition. Obama did not do nothing. Doing nothing would have been great. Obama actively fucked gays over. My point is that it is better for somebody to tell you they are going to fuck you over and do it, than for somebody to tell you how important you are to them and how much they value and then fuck you over. In both cases you’re getting fucked over. How you consider Obama seeking to overturn the court decision as “doing nothing,” is beyond me. > [@](#): > > But what really amused me was when, in the very same thread, you defend Republicans as better because “at least they’re honest about it”, and then spend a great deal of time denying that they do by saying that all your Republicans don’t care about sexual orientation or race, that it’s the Democrats who keep raising it. That speaking out of both sides of your mouth made me smile. Well, that’s nice. Sadly it was likely a Forest Gump kind of smile. To understand, try this: “Republicans” is plural, meaning there are more than one. Not all Republicans are exactly the same. If I say “black people are neurosurgeons,” and then later say “black people are criminals,” does that also make your eyes light up with the dull intelligence of a cow, thinking you’ve caught a contradiction? > [@](#): > > Just one quick question. Do you think that the LCR were the only ones to file lawsuits about DADT? No. > [@](#): > > That somehow they were at the spearhead of the court challenges to DADT? Absolutely! They got it overturned, didn’t they? That’s what the point of the spear does. It sinks deep and does the damage. What they did **stuck**. It **sunk in**. That’s what a spearhead does. Or, maybe not. Maybe you are using “spearhead” to mean “pointless and innefectual” in which case I’d say the Democrats were the spearhead. Clearly Obama considered what the Dems were doing to be pointless and innefectual. He seemed a little miffed that the Republicans didn’t get the message and actually accomplished something. > [@](#): > > Because it seems to me that you want the Republicans to get all the praise, while ignoring the other lawsuits filed by liberal groups, that were either rejected or still pending. Yes. In this one fucking particular instance I do. Every time some Republican group or person does something that bigoted or racist there’s a thread on it, and inevitably that one particular instance is used as a general indictment of all things Republican, and the entire Republican party and all its members are painted as racist or bigoted. No Republican ever gets the benefit of the doubt on an issue pertaining to race or sexual preference because you all know Republicans are racist bigots. Well guess what? That simplistic bullshit just isn’t true. Last week a group of gay Republicans got DADT overturned. On that very day a Democratic President threw the entire gay populace under the bus, in one of the worst political betrayals in the name of expediency that I’ve ever seen, and got DADT put back (because you know, he wants to win the elections and not piss off the religious vote.) BY WHAT FUCKING LOGIC SHOULD THE REPUBLICANS NOT GET ALL THE PRAISE FOR OVERTURNING DADT IN THE COURT CASE LAST WEEK??? The only Democrat involved totally fucked it up and put it back. You want me to praise the Democrats? For what, putting it back? > [@](#): > > The ACLU, individual servicemembers, and other liberal groups have been fighting this fight for as longs as, if not longer, than the LCR. Well yes, that’s kind of the point. They got beat by the _Log Cabin Republicans_. I’ll say it again “The Log Cabin Republicans.” Not really the most powerful and fearsome political group on the planet, are they? Try this: if I say “Hamlet the Log Cabin Republicans are pissed at you, and are out to get you.” What is your response? How scared are you? Now, if I say “Hamlet, the ACLU, The NAACP and a whole bunch of other groups are out to get you.” What is your response? A little different, huh? The Log Cabins succeeded where all these other mighty and powerful and well-funded engines of liberal change failed. HUH?!? Suppose your local pee-wee football league took on the the Patriots and won. What would you think? Do you think the Patriots were really trying to win? As soon as somebody else won for them, they undid it. That really fucking happened last week. The group that has been selling you a pile of shit about how much they want to repeal DADT and has claimed that they’ve been working diligently do it for, and all they ask in return is your vote. Well, through no action or fault of their own, they accidentally won the game last week. What did they do? They put it back. And you want to give them credit? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/306 "2010-10-28T00:14:02Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > This is concern trolling, pure and simple. Is that so, Tanto? > [@](#): > > If Democrats were to stick to their guns on this issue, we’d have Scylla in here tearing out his hair because the “Democrats are too committed to tilting at windmills that they’re not doing anything about the economy.” You quoted me from a hypothetical future? > [@](#): > > Instead, we have Scylla pretending to be the defender of a certain issue, and giving Democrats “helpful advice” on how they should pursue their own interests, which would actually be destructive to their cause if actually pursued. I can’t recall any “helpful advice” that I’ve offered Democrats, destructive or not. In fact, I don’t think I’ve offered the Democrats any advice. Do you have a cite for this, or did you also derive this nugget from the same alternate future you derived the previous quote? > [@](#): > > Either that, or Scylla really does believe Republicans hate gays far less than the Democrats do, but I respect him too much to think he believes that. So concern trolling it is. urmmm, so concern trolling it is. Yoda? Anyhow, I’m not sensing much respect, and, on preview I’m seeing that Hentor and Mhendo seem to agree with (which is never a good sign for an argument.) But, it was fun responding to you. You make it pleasant. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/307 "2010-10-28T00:20:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Miller:** > > I quote you. You paraphrase me. I say it waddles like a duck, quacks, and floats., and is a duck. You say that I explicitly stated that its a witch. But you don’t quote, you twist my words into a new shape to fit your narrative. I feel your pain. I feel your pain. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/308 "2010-10-28T00:22:51Z")
Can somebody tell me what’s up with the whole Horse thing **Hentor** going on about? It sounded like he dropped acid while listening to “The Soft Parade.” (and somebody let us know if he’s ok after that. We worry about you Hentor.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/309 "2010-10-28T00:28:31Z")
The Log Cabin Republicans brought the suit. OK, but big deal. That is the suit that was accepted by the court, no? And after that, it goes through the legal millwork and is ground into tiny grains of jurisprudence. But aside from bringing the suit, what further influence do they have? Do they stand around in groups and glare gayly at the Court? Did that Miranda fellow, was he the spearpoint of defendant rights, did he make it happen? Or was he just some shmuck who got busted? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/310 "2010-10-28T00:30:44Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > …It sounded like he dropped acid while listening to “The Soft Parade.”… I got a minute. Tell me everything you know about dropping acid. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/311 "2010-10-28T00:35:18Z")
Putting aside your asinine argument that Presidents should only enforce the laws they agree with, you have no idea what you’re talking about when you say LCR won where the ACLU and others have failed. The ACLU has been making the identical arguments the Log Cabin Republicans made, and has been doing so longer. The difference is not that the Log Cabin Republicans somehow did something more than the ACLU, but because the national political climate has changed enough to make a Judge comfortable with buying the argument – including but not limited to Obama’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs having declared that the policy needs changing. Also, unlike in DADT cases brought before 2008, in this case the Justice Department refused to offer witness testimony or to offer any defense of the rationale other than to point to the legislative history. Which is basically their minimal institutional obligation. Notably, the ACLU finally won a similar case in Washington State before the LCR case, but the LCR cases final injunction came out sooner. In July, a federal judge in Massachusetts ruled unconstitutional a section of DOMA in a suit brought by GLAD (one of those liberal do-nothing groups you deride). In October, the ACLU got Florida’s gay adoption ban overturned. I could go on and on. I guess those are empty or irrelevant victories in your mind, since Republicans didn’t win them. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/312 "2010-10-28T00:41:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I got a minute. Tell me everything you know about dropping acid. Ok, there was this funny bit on SNL where Dan Akroyd was playing Jimmy Carter on a news shows, and this guy called in who was freaking out that he dropped acid and Jimmy Carter er Dan Akroyd helped him. It was funny. And… That’s about it. How much time do I have left? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/313 "2010-10-28T01:04:57Z")
I snipped out a bit. If you have a problem with that, just let me know. Simply repeating that Obama fucked up on appealling DADT, a point which no one is contesting, got a bit tedious and added nothing but the opportunity for you to get all whiny. > [@Scylla](#): > > How you consider Obama seeking to overturn the court decision as “doing nothing,” is beyond me. It’s not beyond you, hell, you’re the one who made that up and attributed it to me. I’ve said repeatedly that Obama has fucked this up. In fact, I’m having trouble finding anyone in this thread who disagrees with that. > [@Scylla](#): > > Well, that’s nice. Sadly it was likely a Forest Gump kind of smile. Nah. I was the kind of smile patient Special Ed teachers give to their students who try hard, but just don’t get it. Soon, though, maybe you will. > [@Scylla](#): > > To understand, try this: “Republicans” is plural, meaning there are more than one. Not all Republicans are exactly the same. Says the guy who titled the thread “Liberals hate gays”. Now THAT is funny. > [@Scylla](#): > > Absolutely! They got it overturned, didn’t they? That’s what the point of the spear does. It sinks deep and does the damage. What they did **stuck**. It **sunk in**. That’s what a spearhead does. > > Or, maybe not. Maybe you are using “spearhead” to mean “pointless and innefectual” in which case I’d say the Democrats were the spearhead. There have been over a dozen of constitutional attacks on DADT, from the ACLU, from HRC, and from a multitude of other liberal organizations. They were filing these cases before the LCR ever got involved. The fact that the particular judge who heard the case ruled for them had fuckall to do with the fact they were Republicans. > [@Scylla](#): > > BY WHAT FUCKING LOGIC SHOULD THE REPUBLICANS NOT GET ALL THE PRAISE FOR OVERTURNING DADT IN THE COURT CASE LAST WEEK??? Stop making this so easy for me. Just a few paragraphs ago, you said: "To understand, try this: “Republicans” is plural, meaning there are more than one. Not all Republicans are exactly the same. " and now you’re doing the exact same thing. Usually, finding flaws in someone else’s logic can be a tough proposition. But when, in the matter of the same post, you contradict your own points, well, that right there is laugh inducing. The LCR certainly deserve a great deal of credit for filing the suit and, apparently, hiring very good attorneys to argue the case. Just as the ACLU, the HRC, and the dozens of other liberal groups and servicemembers who have challenged DADT as unconstitutional. Yet, here you are, proclaiming that the actions of a tiny minority of Republicans somehow trump all the other actions the party takes against homosexuals. > [@Scylla](#): > > The only Democrat involved totally fucked it up and put it back. You want me to praise the Democrats? For what, putting it back? No, for fighting alongside the LCR on this issue. And for fighting Prop 8, for passing the federal benefits law out of committee, for getting Bowers overturned, or any of the myriad of other things liberals have done OVER THE OBJECTION AND ACTIONS OF REPUBLICANS. > [@Scylla](#): > > The Log Cabins succeeded where all these other mighty and powerful and well-funded engines of liberal change failed. I’m fascinated. To what do you attribute that victory? Their homosexuality? Their Republican-ness? Or could it be something like getting the right judge, making arguments that incorporated other hard fought cases like Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas, and hiring good attorneys? ETA: I see Richard Parker did a much better job dealing with this particular point. Look, we all agree, Obama fucked the pooch on this. Repeating it over and over as if that one thing is the alpha and omega of homosexual issues is myopic at best and dishonest at worst. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/314 "2010-10-28T01:13:05Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Putting aside your asinine argument that Presidents should only enforce the laws they agree with, Well, I suppose you could put that aside if that was what I said. Unfortunately for you, it’s not what I said you dishonest turd. The law was overturned. It was declared unconstitutional. It was no longer law. The President swears to uphold the Constitution. I could see why you would want to lie and put aside the actual argument seeing as responding to it would be a losing proposition. > [@](#): > > you have no idea what you’re talking about when you say LCR won where the ACLU and others have failed. Really? I got it wrong, did I? So you are saying the LCR lost there case? You are saying the ACLU and others had already gotten DADT overturned before the LCR brought their case? Because if you are saying I don’t know what I’m talking about and I’m wrong, that’s what you’re arguing. You’re arguing that? You are that stupid? > [@](#): > > The ACLU has been making the identical arguments the Log Cabin Republicans made, and has been doing so longer. Really? You have a cite comparing the transcripts of arguments from both cases and finding them identical? Let’s see it. > [@](#): > > The difference is not that the Log Cabin Republicans somehow did something more than the ACLU, but because the national political climate has changed enough to make a Judge comfortable with buying the argument – including but not limited to Obama’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs having declared that the policy needs changing. Ohhhh, I understand now. **Obama** actually overturned the case. He did the Jedi mind trick on that conservative judge so she’d accept the arguments made by the LCRs (who according to you plagiarized them from the ACLU.) Oh, and while other people have claimed figuratively that Obama walks on water this is the first time I’ve heard somebody argue seriously that he has the power of mind control which works from his ability to harness and change the political climate at will. That’s quite a superpower. Ok, so he changed the climate for the LCRs and handed them the ACLU cribsheet, and did the Jedi mind trick on the judge, all so they could win the case. I got it. That makes sense. That’s very plausible. Good argument. Well done. Can you tell me why, after he did all that he then sought an emergency stay to overturn the decision? Ohhhh, I forgot. You already explained that. He was forced to. He had no choice. You didn’t tell me why. Was it because evil Republicans put a mind control chip in him like the Manchurian Candidate and flipped the switch? It makes so much sense now that you’re explaining it. > [@](#): > > Also, unlike in DADT cases brought before 2008, in this case the Justice Department refused to offer witness testimony or to offer any defense of the rationale other than to point to the legislative history. Right, because Obama wanted them to win. Except when he did they overturned it? Makes perfect sense. I’ll just stop here. Your arguments are so bad, they’re not even amusing anymore. It’s pathetic the lengths you’ll go to to somehow pretend a Republican group didn’t do this and a Democratic President didn’t undo it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/315 "2010-10-28T01:22:53Z")
Not that simple. A state governor may be deeply opposed to the death penalty, but his office requires that he perform the duty of signing the warrant. He may give a speech or write a statement declaring his disapproval, and his determination to bring the legislature to ban such punishment. But his official duty is to sign the warrant, the law demands it of him, and the law is the handjob of justice. I think what it is is that Obama doesn’t want to win this in the court, he wants to win it in Congress. Just like he doesn’t want to to do it by executive order, because the next guy can reverse it. President Huckabee, for instance. And a different activist court might reverse the previous. So, one his position as the executive branch demands it, and numero two-o, he’s looking for a bigger win. (I know of what I speak about warrants, I’ve sworn out many of them because of dire crimes commited.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/316 "2010-10-28T01:24:34Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > …And… That’s about it. How much time do I have left? Fifty-eight seconds. Switch to decaff. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/317 "2010-10-28T01:27:23Z")
NO ONE has said a Republican group didn’t do this. What we’re saying is that the LCR is hardly the toast of the Republican party. They’re still the group that Republican candidates return the donations from, at least when it leaks to the public that they donated to the candidate. You’re trying to do some kind of jujitsu thing where you take the Democrats’ missteps on gay rights issues and try to knock them down and replace them with the Republican party, but it won’t work because you’ve got a HUGE counterweight to overcome: the Republican Party’s very public and very extreme homophobia fueled by the religious fanaticism that the party has been cultivating and exploiting for votes for decades. I have to thank you for one thing, **Scylla**. If this thread has done anything, it’s helped me to make a firm decision to go out and vote enthusiastically for Democrats, despite their foot-dragging on my issues. You’ve reminded me just how BAD the Republicans are for GLBT folk by trying to convince me that the Democrats are worse (which is, on its face, an absolutely absurd argument). At this point, I can’t even believe that _you_ believe what you’re posting, if only because I know you’re not insane. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/318 "2010-10-28T01:32:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I snipped out a bit. If you have a problem with that, just let me know. You sound like my Urologist. > [@](#): > > Simply repeating that Obama fucked up on appealling DADT, a point which no one is contesting, got a bit tedious and added nothing but the opportunity for you to get all whiny. Well, it seemed like it bore repeating since you were saying Democrats were simply doing nothing rather than working against you. The fact that in this instance they were working against you seemed germain. > [@](#): > > It’s not beyond you, hell, you’re the one who made that up and attributed it to me. I’ve said repeatedly that Obama has fucked this up. In fact, I’m having trouble finding anyone in this thread who disagrees with that. Bricker, Richard Parker both seem to think Obama was compelled. A few others have also made the same argument. I truly am sorry if I falsely attributed that argument to you. I hate it when people falsely attribute shit to me, so, sorry. Others have been making the argument, though. > [@](#): > > Nah. I was the kind of smile patient Special Ed teachers give to their students who try hard, but just don’t get it. Soon, though, maybe you will. Says the guy who titled the thread “Liberals hate gays”. Now THAT is funny. You might have something on me, there. > [@](#): > > There have been over a dozen of constitutional attacks on DADT, from the ACLU, from HRC, and from a multitude of other liberal organizations. They were filing these cases before the LCR ever got involved. Um yeah. The fact they failed dozens of times while the LCR succeded is comforting to you. Can the liberals say something like: “How dare you give credit to the Republican group, LCR for this. We liberals have consistently failed to accomplish what they have more than a dozen times over the last decade. Therefore the credit for the success goes to us.” I don’t see even a politician trying to make that fly. > [@](#): > > The fact that the particular judge who heard the case ruled for them had fuckall to do with the fact they were Republicans. Except for the fact that being Republican seemed to make them competant. Stop making this so easy for me. > [@](#): > > The LCR certainly deserve a great deal of credit for filing the suit and, apparently, hiring very good attorneys to argue the case. Well, it’s nice of somebody to say so. After 7 pages I believe that’s the first time somebody besides me gave them an attaboy. > [@](#): > > Just as the ACLU, the HRC, and the dozens of other liberal groups and servicemembers who have challenged DADT as unconstitutional. …and failed to get anywhere with it, or win their case or accomplish anything. What’s the prize for losing? > [@](#): > > Yet, here you are, proclaiming that the actions of a tiny minority of Republicans somehow trump all the other actions the party takes against homosexuals. On DADT? Fucking A they do. And, all the good shit that the Democrats had done previously has just been undone by Obama. > [@](#): > > I’m fascinated. To what do you attribute that victory? Their homosexuality? Their Republican-ness? Yup. It’s like putting chocolate and peanut butter together. The LCRs are the Reese’s cup of political activism compared to the stale Mars Bar (yechh!) of the NAACP, ACLU and the rest of those good for nothing left wing slackers. (and I already explained this. I don’t think they were trying very hard to win.) > [@](#): > > Or could it be something like getting the right judge, making arguments that incorporated other hard fought cases like Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas, and hiring good attorneys? Yeah, like trying to win. Unlike the previous efforts. > [@](#): > > ETA: I see Richard Parker did a much better job dealing with this particular point. Heh. > [@](#): > > Look, we all agree, Obama fucked the pooch on this. Repeating it over and over as if that one thing is the alpha and omega of homosexual issues is myopic at best and dishonest at worst. You’re right. It ain’t the only thing, just the latest and the topic of this thread. Feel free to start another on the past glories of liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/319 "2010-10-28T01:37:50Z")
**Scylla** , if you want reasonable people to debate you, you need to stop pretending that every time they address your argument they’ve mischaracterized it, and you need to stop doing exactly what you pretend they’re doing to you. If you want to start over and try to respond to my post reasonably, like you’ve occasionally done for others in this thread, I’m all ears. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-hate-gays/557849/320 "2010-10-28T01:40:59Z")
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