# "Liberals" in Texas? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705 "2006-05-14T02:39:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Monty22002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/919ad9/32.png) [@Monty22002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty22002)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/81 "2006-05-26T15:08:35Z")
> [@mangeorge](#): > > Do think anybody should be able to just walk into a gun shop and walk out with a ,45 and a couple boxes of ammo? I am an owner, and I enjoy shooting (targets), but that idea makes me kinda nervous. I also have a pocket gun for carry and a shotgun for home defense should I ever feel the need for either. So far they’ve both been kept locked up in my safe. I hope they stay there. I have a concealed carry license. I bet that scares the living hell out of you. Also, those laws have spread to nearly every state. And now the next wave of laws spreading are ones where you don’t have to back down to criminals when defending yourself with deadly force. You live in some pot smoke fog (and if you really do use drugs as you say, you having guns is a felony… Read the forms you fill out. You’re doubly a criminal) and somehow think that gun control matters to people. :wally Guess what… Gun control is probably less popular now than anytime in the history of this country. Since 9/11, people want defense. Conservatives like me always knew it was a good idea to be armed, but now liberals are even figuring it out. Most liberal forums are quite libertarian when it comes to guns these days. I think you need to lay off the drugs for a few weeks and let your head clear up. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/82 "2006-05-26T15:58:24Z")
> [@Monty22002](#): > > You live in some pot smoke fog (and if you really do use drugs as you say, you having guns is a felony… Read the forms you fill out. You’re doubly a criminal) and somehow think that gun control matters to people. :wally Just a word: deliberately and personally insulting other posters is prohibited in **Great Debates**. Accusing someone of currently living in a drug fog when they have only stated a desire to smoke an occasional joint in some indefinite future would be an example of a personal insult and the use of the :wally smiley directed at another poster is a direct insult. Please refrain from this behavior in this Forum. Thank you. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Monty22002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/919ad9/32.png) [@Monty22002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty22002)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/83 "2006-05-26T21:47:52Z")
The desire to ‘smoke the occasional joint’ shows a lack of judgement that should preclude owning any firearms. Criminals are not allowed to, and I’m a big 2nd amendment supporter. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/84 "2006-05-26T22:06:35Z")
> [@Monty22002](#): > > The desire to ‘smoke the occasional joint’ shows a lack of judgement that should preclude owning any firearms. Criminals are not allowed to, and I’m a big 2nd amendment supporter. When did they add a “pot clause” to the 2nd Ammendment? Sure there is question 12e on the BATFE Form 4473, but not in the Ammendment that you support. I’m pretty sure that a misdemeanor marijuana charge doesn’t make one a prohibited posessor either. One thing that a casual marijuana smoker might consider before moving to Texas is that marijuana laws are more stringent there than in California (I think anyway) though. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/85 "2006-05-26T22:28:49Z")
> [@Monty22002](#): > > The desire to ‘smoke the occasional joint’ shows a lack of judgement that should preclude owning any firearms. 😛😛😛😛😛 :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/86 "2006-05-27T04:16:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > 😛😛😛😛😛 :rolleyes: And I should add, :dubious: . Really, **monty,** what on Earth makes you think smoking pot evidences “poor judgment” compared with owning firearms?! ---
**Author:** ![Monty22002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/919ad9/32.png) [@Monty22002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty22002)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/87 "2006-05-27T06:46:54Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > When did they add a “pot clause” to the 2nd Ammendment? Sure there is question 12e on the BATFE Form 4473, but not in the Ammendment that you support. I’m pretty sure that a misdemeanor marijuana charge doesn’t make one a prohibited posessor either. One thing that a casual marijuana smoker might consider before moving to Texas is that marijuana laws are more stringent there than in California (I think anyway) though. You say it yourself. 12e makes potheads unable to buy firearms. A past conviction may or may not ban someone from owning a gun. Frankly, I’d say any drug conviction proves that the person is unable to have proper judgement and should be a banning of firearm rights per se. 12e does the best it can on the matter, but I’d certainly like to see it expanded. I’d say non-drug people should be able to own any weapons, repeal the '34 law even for them. Drug people don’t have any rights for firearms, since they’ve proven themselves as being criminals and fools. ---
**Author:** ![Monty22002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/919ad9/32.png) [@Monty22002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty22002)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/88 "2006-05-27T06:49:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And I should add, :dubious: . > > Really, **monty,** what on Earth makes you think smoking pot evidences “poor judgment” compared with owning firearms?! Pot user=criminal and a blatant disregard for the federal firearms law that is signed when buying a gun. That’s ‘what on Earth’ you may be looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/89 "2006-05-27T07:24:46Z")
> [@Little Plastic Ninja](#): > > Well, 290 is my favorite route to Houston, but as for your characterization of Austin – > > _eyes the forum_ > > You are not backing up what you say by saying “I lived in Austin for 12 years.” If you lived in Westlake, you likely met a lot of materialistic jerks. University area, some very… ah, _enthusiastic_ protesters. But two things: > > First, if you never met anyone intelligent in Austin, then you were hanging out among the wrong people. We exist, liberal and conservative. Intelligent does not always mean “agrees with me and everything I say”. > > Second, if you stand by your “nothing intelligent or worthwhile has ever come out of Austin” as well as “I lived in Austin for 12 years”, I can only smirk at you. > > Elaborate on your claim or _eyes forum again_ kindly refrain from babbling about it. You appear to be demanding a cite from **Clothahump** for what was an expressed personal opinion? And one that was pretty obviously at least partially tongue in cheek. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705/90 "2006-05-27T13:50:25Z")
> [@Monty22002](#): > > You say it yourself. 12e makes potheads unable to buy firearms. > > A past conviction may or may not ban someone from owning a gun. Frankly, I’d say any drug conviction proves that the person is unable to have proper judgement and should be a banning of firearm rights per se. > > 12e does the best it can on the matter, but I’d certainly like to see it expanded. I’d say non-drug people should be able to own any weapons, repeal the '34 law even for them. Drug people don’t have any rights for firearms, since they’ve proven themselves as being criminals and fools. So you are not a 2nd Ammendment supporter after all?😛 12e: “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressents, stimulants, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?” [http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/4473/index.htm](http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/4473/index.htm) If you aren’t using it right then and aren’t addicted, then aren’t you safe anyway? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberals-in-texas/356705.md?page=4)