Lets put it this way: Do conservatives support women participating in society in any manner they see fit? Do most conservatives believe women should stay in traditional roles only? Entire organizations like the Independent Women’s Forum and Eagle Forum are based on the proposition that women should stay away from fields conservatives feel they don’t belong.
I can't think of a liberal group supporting "Crystal Power" in the classroom, the same can't be said of conservative groups with "creation science," or they latest nonsense "Intelligent design," see the current issue of Skeptic.
Jim Crow, and where are those old south democrats now? During the civil rights era the old southern Jim Crow democrats jumped ship to the GOP where they reside today.
One more thing, can you give me an example of a conservative supporting labor in ANY dispute involving employer and employee?
*Originally posted by Icerigger *
** Entire organizations like the Independent Women’s Forum and Eagle Forum are based on the proposition that women should stay away from fields conservatives feel they don’t belong. **
Do you have a cite or is it just your HO?
**One more thing, can you give me an example of a conservative supporting labor in ANY dispute involving employer and employee? **
Sure, but why is it smarter to support labor rather than management? (assuming that this point relates to the OP?)
*Oh! You better not tax,
You better not spend,
You better watch Pax,
I’m telling you friend!
Sammy Stone is coming to town!
He’s making a list,
Checking it twice,
Gonna find out which posters are right.
Santa Claus is coming to town!
He sees you when you’re posting,
He knows if you’re a flake.
He knows if you lean left or right.
So lean right for rightness’ sake!
Oh! You better not tax,
You better not spend,
You better watch Pax,
I’m telling you friend!
Sammy Stone is coming to town!*
:rolleyes:
And, just to be fair:
*Let us put left and right together, see which one is smarter,
Some say right, but I say no, liberals pull the strings on the puppet show.
It ain’t me it’s the people that say, conservatives are leading the left astray,
I say, it’s the leftists today, smarter than the right in every way,
That’s right the liberals are smarter, smarter than the right in every way.
Little boy sitting in the corner and cry, big man come and ask him why,
He said “I can’t do what the big boys do”, the man sat down and he cried too.
It ain’t me it’s the people that say, conservatives are leading the left astray,
I say, it’s the leftists today, smarter than the right in every way,
That’s right the liberals are smarter, smarter than the right in every way.
Ever since the USA began, liberals have been deciding the fate of man,
But listen to me cause I’ve got a plan, just give up don’t try to understand.
It ain’t me it’s the people that say, conservatives are leading the left astray,
I say, it’s the leftists today, smarter than the right in every way,
That’s right the liberals are smarter, smarter than the right in every way.
*
Please, people. Does unmitigated arrognace have to go hand in hand with political conviction? “Education correlates with intelligance and academia is liberal!” “Wealth correlates with intelligence and plutocrats are conservative!” How about this one: attempting to correlate an ill-defined and little understood genetic capacity with political values that are manifestly dependent upon environmental factors is not a smart thing to do.
Just reading this thread depresses me. And confuses me. What is the character of hubris that allows a person to look at the many and complex issues on the political landscape and assert that reason can suport only one answer?
I would argue that there isn’t a group of “liberals” in the same way that there is a group of conservatives. Generalizations are unavoidable, but conservatives as a group appear to fit into them more so than “liberals”. Conservatives proudly label themselves as such, and yet one can still be taken to task as not being a “true” conservative if his positions are not extreme enough, i.e. not towing the party line. There may have been this kind of ideological discipline among liberals during the '60’s, but this has long since dissipated.
After listening to right-wing critics hammer away at “the liberals” on issue after carefully-chosen issue, who would stand up and say “I’m a liberal” and take responsibility for each and every position as portrayed? Fine. If liberals are ever wrong that doesn’t mean I’m wrong because I never said I was a “liberal”. I won’t be labeled or pigeonholed.
It’s common to hear someone describe themselves as “socially liberal, economically conservative”. Others simply address one issue at a time and try to avoid taking a position on issues they admit they don’t understand well enough. Conservatives strive for an over-arching ideology which points to a position on every issue, however extreme and inflexible.
But can conservative ideology be summed up as “less government/more freedom”, or is it all things Biblical? There is a libertarian fringe (including in this very thread) which seeks to dismiss the significance of the Religious Right, but c’mon. The Religious Right is very visible, very powerful, and very conservative. One can make a distinction between economic conservatism and social conservatism, but most simply call themselves “conservatives” (so define it already!). The impression I get is that there is considerable overlap, despite the contradictions. There are plenty of individuals who are anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-gay, pro-business, anti-assisted-suicide, anti-environmental-regulation, anti-medical-marijuana, pro-anti-flag-burning-amemdment, anti-evolution, anti-porn, pro-voucher, anti-UN, pro-states-rights, anti-states-rights-when-it’s-inconvenient, etc.
Let’s look at all the conservatives and liberals making sweeping generalizations in this very thread and compare.
Jeez, people. There are smart and stupid people of all political stripes. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you does not make them stupid.
Guys, in case you haven’t noticed, I’ve had my tongue firmly in my cheek for most of this thread. I think it’s the proper attitude towards a subject as silly as this.
Anyone who thinks Liberals or Conservatives have a monopoly on intelligence is exhibiting arrogance and disproving his own point.
As we’ve seen in multiple instances on this board, a common tactic available to people who realize they’ve been thoroughly proven wrong, and have no remaining path of escape in a debate, but lack the courage to admit it, is to claim to have been joking. That does shut off the embarrassment in a way that is safely beyond debate, but is still pretty transparent.
I knew it. What other explanation could there be for posts like this?
You had me going with the Hollywood line, though. I mean–Reagan, Bono, Eastwood, Heston: the Hollywood factory of Liberal political figures really is spooky when you take a look at it. No wonder the studios were so resistant to HUAC back in the 50s.
Congratulations: You just named 50% of all the conservatives in Hollywood. I’ll grab the SAG roster and read out the rest of them.
That first message you linked to started with me saying,
The rest of the message went on to describe some of the sillier ideas from the left, basically to balance out all the anti-conservative comments before. My basic point was that you can find half-baked ideas on BOTH sides of the political fence, and to suggest that Liberals are more enlightened or more intelligence than conservatives is not only idiotic of itself (and therefore disproves its own point), but it’s rude.
Really intelligent people don’t attempt to draw sweeping conclusions about whole groups of people based on their political affiliation.
I return you now to your regularly scheduled conservative bashing.
Not to hijack things too much, but I think that’s because the very nature of American conservatism prevents one from tryin the new-age religion thang. “Gosh, I’d really love to try this crystal-healing stuff I keep hearing about, but if I did and my parents found out, they’d have the church stone me for being a witch!” (mildly exaggerated scenario )
And for whatever it’s worth, I don’t know of any liberals (or anyone else, for that matter) who admits to following any of the crystal-healing homeopathy newage(*) stuff. I do know a lot of conservatives who proclaim themselves to be Christians – often very loudly and insistently, despite requests otherwise…
(* = As Penn and Teller advocated, “newage” should be pronounced as a rhyme to “sewage,” since that’s what all that junk is is equivalent to.)
Ah, so now we are equating being Christian with lower intelligence? You know, I went to church this Sunday (for the first time in a while - I’m not religious, but my family is). What struck me was the intelligence of the service. But then, I shouldn’t have been that surprised, because the guest minister is a full Professor at the University of Alberta. The regular Minister has a Ph.D in Sociology from a secular college, and the ex head-pastor is a brilliant man who had a Ph.D in Psychology from an Ivy League school.
But I know you guys don’t want to hear that, because it disrupts that nice warm feeling you get from your intellectual bigotry.
I might hazard that economists are viewed by some liberals the way that postmodernists are viewed by some conservatives: As whacked out academicians with pre-determined conclusions and little knowledge of the real world, but who for some reason have enormous sway over the intellectuals of their respective sides.
I have moved my position from satire to disdain. The smug self-righteousness apparent in many of these messages is leaving me just a little queasy, especially coming from such ‘enlightened’ people.
I suspect my next emotional epiphany will take me to the pit.
Political threads reall probably belong in the pit. Then people could properly debate the two parties. The thin veneer of actual information in threads like this dissapears too quickly for my tastes.
I would like to point out what this thread is not about whether Republican or Democratic policies are stupid, but whether or not Republican human beings are less intelligent than Democrats.
It’s clear that a number of people here actually believe that it’s true. Which does nothing but illuminate their own small-minded prejudices.
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