I.e., STOP HELPING.
False equivalence. Spitting in your face is nothing at all comparable to “Democrat Party, yukyukyuk.” One is illegal as (mild) criminal battery while the other is the nattering of a simpleton.
You’re the one who opened a thread specifically to discuss this issue (when, AFAICT, it hasn’t even been pinging the radar anywhere else on these forums), you’re the one who seems most upset about its consequences, and you’re the one (AFAICT, the only one here) who apparently thinks that it is indirectly somehow posing a genuine danger to the Democratic image.
You, dropzone, are the one making a BFD out of this.
So the next time you consider starting a thread calling for a debate on a subject that you actually want everybody to ignore and not draw attention to, how about you take a half-hour cooling-off period and then, you know, not actually start the thread?
:rolleyes:
So where does my argument start damaging my side? All I’ve seen to counter it is slight variations on, “Those meanies insulted me because they used a slight, inoffensive in itself, variation of a party name that goes clear back to Andrew Jackson on purpose! Them’s fightin’ words!”
But yes, I will stop my quixotic crusade because so many Dopers have shown they are complete babies willing to die defending a molehill. I’m embarrassed to belong to the same political party.
Actually, it comes up about once a week. As I recall, there’s one in the Pit right now. I’d look for examples, but I need to get to bed.
“Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.”
Shakespeare
Dude. You ASKED for our opinions on this subject, by explicitly initiating a debate about it.
Don’t like having people disagree with you? Shouldn’t have asked for a debate.
Well, just keep reminding yourself that it’s a big tent. We all have to do that sometimes.
The point I’m trying to make is, what difference does it make if they admit it or not if it’s clear they mean insult? I don’t see what’s the point in trying to claim an imaginary , fraction more of the higher ground by saying, “when we name call, we admit it.”
The only time I really saw this was an issue was when Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart were talking and Maddow said, “The Democrat Party, has the word rat in it.”
That’s the first time I’ve really heard it be an issue. The second was here, and the last time was when I was watching a youtube clip because of this thread where Chris Matthews gets upset with Darrel Issa for saying “Democrat congress.”
Surely starting a new thread about how we should “just ignore it” is making a bigger deal of it than the occasional correction.
What you are utterly failing to grasp, in your eagerness to assail the intelligence of conservatives, is that most people in this country regardless of political affiliation couldn’t care less what the “actual official” name of the party is, and in fact it’s probably never occurred to most of them that there is one. The see campaign signs saying vote for this or that Republican and/or vote Republican, and they see signs saying vote for this or that Democrat and/or vote Democrat. And so they think of the Republican Party and they think of the Democrat Party. Period.
If you so-called progressives were as smart as you like to think you are you’d realize that the average citizen is not all that caught up in the minutiae of politics and that no particular insult or stupidity is at work whenever someone refers to the Democrat party. A great many Democrats themselves do it. Are they ill-informed and/or dumb as well?
If someone asks or points out they want to be referred to in a certain way, I would honor their request. It’s no big deal to do so and seems silly to refuse. However this:
Calling for someone to be warned or banned because they use the term “Democrat Party” is asinine. Calling a party a name that is very similar to their chosen name either on purpose or on accident is somehow worse than:
Right.
When I see people who are ostensibly on your side of…whatever you are on make the same mistake, I tend to chalk it up to people just making an error:
"The Democratic Party" still has the word "rat in it. Just saying.
First of all, in my hypothetical, I mention that if someone learns that some people find this offensive and stops using the term, then they’re not being a jerk and posting in accordance with the rules of this message board.
Second of all, if you think that someone after being shown that something they say is both offensive to another poster and also has a history of being used in a manner designed to be offensive should not be open to discipline from the board then your quibble is with the rule because that is decidedly being a jerk.
A great example is the term Tranny. Many consider this an offensive term. Some people such as actress Gabourey Sidibe and even Jerry Springer have used the term, got called on it, and plead ignorance and agreed not to use the term again.
Whereas RuPaul doubled down on his use of the term.
RuPaul is being a jerk. If he posted here and continued to defend his use of the term after being educated about it, then he would be a jerk and would open himself up to disciplinary action.
This is all pretty simple. A term is shown to be offensive by a poster who is offended. Keep using it and that makes you a jerk. Being a jerk is against the rules of this board. It’s all very logical.
I realize that your defense is that the person shouldn’t be offended. But that’s just blaming the victim which is pretty horrible.
Do you believe if a person goes into every thread where the term “faux news” is used and says that the term is offensive, further use of it warrants board moderation?
How about “repugs” or “libtards” or any other derived slang? If those offend a poster then further use should be, what? Moderated? Called out each time they are used?
Maybe someone finds “Bone” offensive. After all, it is slang for intercourse. I think you have to change your nick immediately.
Would you like to bet? Let me know your wager, and I’ll open an ATMB thread and we’ll see just how “simple” it is.
I think every person in this thread knows that “Tea Bagger” is offensive. What do you think the odds are that any of them will stop using the term?
It would take all the tea in China, and then some, for that to happen.
LOL. You just keep proving my point. Most people who live outside your sheltered little right-wing media bubble know what the correct name of the party is. It’s not like being able to recite the names of all the justices on the supreme court or the capitals of all the states. It’s mostly a problem with low-information voters who get most of their news from right-wing sources that enjoy mangling the name of the opposition party to be jerkish.
I don’t use the term. I thought it was hilarious at first when some right-wingers decided to start calling themselves “Tea Baggers”. But once they changed the name of the group to “Tea Partiers” I called them what they wanted to be called.
It’s been my experience that conservatives tend to assume that their own misdeeds are exactly mirrored by people on the other side of the aisle. They use this as a way to rationalize their actions. “Well, so what? The Democrats are just as bad!” Generally this opinion is false – it’s just another side effect of the bubble of ignorance they inhabit.