Liberals: Would You Support An Abortion Ban In Exchange For A UHC Bill and Immigration Reform

And parenting a child has far reaching emotional ramifications. But I assume you would not permit the mother of a newborn to kill her infant in the grounds that she didn’t wish to parent the child, and only she could make that decision. I mean, if she’s also unwilling to accept the far reaching emotional ramifications of adoption.

I know you are aware of the difference so I’m not even going to engage you on that point.

Being pregnant is no guarantee of a live birth. Spontaneous abortion, miscarriage, still births happen every day, in every hospital. So you’re really talking about protecting ‘potential life’. I’ll believe you’re really committed to this cause just as soon as I see your campaign to end masturbation, and not before. That wasting of those potential lives seems to not even be on your radar.

No one is asking you to do anything other than what you believe, when it’s you and your body involved. Kindly extend the same courtesy to others. It’d be the Christian thing to do, unto others and all.

You live in a democracy, and officials elected by the majority, (or their appointees as dictated by your democracy), passed this. You either support democracy or you don’t. It sucks to be in the minority, I’m aware. But, ultimately, in a democracy, you have to suck it up when you’re in the minority. So suck it up.

If you want Christian beliefs to dictate the laws of the land, move to a Christian theocracy or invent a time machine to go back in time.

I’ve posted on this before, so I’ll be brief. A fetus is not “potential life”. It is absolutely, unambiguously, and by any standard, alive. But the question of whether it’s alive is irrelevant, anyway: The real question is whether it’s a person (or a “potential person”, or whatever).

It is not a person until it is a live birth, until then it’s a ‘potential’ person. It is, at the very same time, a potential spontaneous abortion, miscarriage or still birth.

The mother, however is a person, long before conception occurs, and as such, she has the right to determine what happens to her body.

I don’t see why you need the first part.

Debatable.

If it has happened than almost certainly the media would have played it up yellow and those individuals’ reputations destroyed.

You assume they would be found out; and that people would care enough to destroy their reputations. But the “the only moral abortion is my abortion” phenomenon is well known. And unsurprising, since as I’ve said repeatedly opposition to abortion isn’t about morality at all; just misogyny.

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LMGTFY

Wow! Haunted computer!

(never seen that site before)

Medical confidentiality was in place long before HIPAA. And most medical personnel believe in it–even if they personally dislike the patient. Hospital admissions are less private–you might get a few weak links who value tabloid money more than their jobs. But early term abortions can be done in private medical offices. The truly rich won’t have to run the gauntlet at Planned Parenthood.

The truly rich, or even moderately well off don’t need to get it done in America in the first place. One of the more disgusting aspects of the anti-abortion crusade is that it has been targeted especially at poor women. Women who can’t necessarily afford multiple trips out of state, much less out of the country. Multiple trips because of stupid waiting periods and “counseling” sessions (aka being forced to let pro lifers lie to you) that serve no function but to harass and humiliate the woman, and make her burn more money and time.

It really is quite handy.