# Liberland - A brand new country in Europe! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 16, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838 "2015-04-16T16:04:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/21 "2015-04-17T15:35:28Z")
Google Earth shows they have a nice beach. Or at least as nice as could be expected. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/22 "2015-04-17T15:57:29Z")
> [@a35362](#): > > “…According to the official website, only communists, Neo-Nazis and extremists are ineligible for citizenship.” So they’re OK with good old-fashioned ‘classic’ Nazis, then? ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/23 "2015-04-17T15:59:17Z")
Yeah, he’s hoping to get a train so he can make it run on time. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e79b87/32.png) [@The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Joker_and_the_Thief)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/24 "2015-04-17T16:38:30Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > As the wikipedia article makes clear, there are actually quite a few of these “micronations” around. Indeed, I heard a report on them just last week on NPR’s _All Things Considered_–there was some kind of conference of the “heads of state” of various micronations in California. Audie Cornish interviewed Kevin Baugh, the President of the [Republic of Molossia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Molossia). > > Not all of them are exercises in libertarianism. Some of them are just for fun, some are experiments in political or social science, some of them are efforts to study how nations start and how a particular group of people become “a nation.” Some exist only online, and don’t even have a physical presence. Interesting, if weird. But most of those are people who either don’t have any actual land or have just declared whatever land they privately own to be sovereign territory. This guy is different in that he actually has the most important trapping of a country, which is land that no one else can claim as their own. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/25 "2015-04-18T05:57:45Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Who collects the garbage? The citizens collect each other’s garbage, and everybody achieves great business success this way. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/26 "2015-04-18T06:25:31Z")
The junior year abroad program in Liberland will surely be life-changing experience for many college students of the future. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/27 "2015-04-18T16:19:41Z")
If someone there publishes a novel that’s translated into English, I get to add another country to my 'round the world book challenge. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/28 "2015-04-18T16:35:21Z")
[Here](http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/ayn-rand-reviews-childrens-movies)’s something detailing how their ripoff movies would be different from the originals. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/29 "2015-04-19T14:49:15Z")
> [@Donnerwetter](#): > > (bolding mine) > > There seems to be trouble on the horizon. The Communist Party of Liberland (CPL) has already been founded: > > [Redirecting...](https://www.facebook.com/pages/Communist-Party-of-Liberland-CPL/1020854444599329) Trouble indeed; so has the [National Socialist Party of Liberland.](https://www.facebook.com/pages/NS-Party-of-Liberland/1560066717589316) There’ll be blood in the stree…alleyway…muddy spot behind the shack! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/30 "2015-04-19T15:14:37Z")
That may be in questionable taste but it’s unquestionably funny. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Teach-me-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a4c791/32.png) [@Teach-me-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teach-me-not)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/31 "2015-04-20T00:29:28Z")
From the official press release ([Free Republic of Liberland](http://liberland.org/en/news/press-release-a-new-state-has-been-declared-liberland-21.htm) ): The founders are inspired by countries such as Monaco, Liechtenstein or Hong Kong. Uh oh, this isn’t going to go well with China, is it? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/32 "2015-04-20T13:50:48Z")
Can we organize a Doper field trip? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/33 "2015-04-20T14:00:19Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Trouble indeed; so has the [National Socialist Party of Liberland.](https://www.facebook.com/pages/NS-Party-of-Liberland/1560066717589316) > > There’ll be blood in the stree…alleyway…muddy spot behind the shack! From the page: > [@](#): > > Liberal Party of Liberland and Communist Party of Liberland are kebab agents that want to destroy the white people of Liberland. The Communists want to create a tollerant state that would tolerate everybody kebabs included,that would give the kebabs the right to seize power and destroy the white race in Liberland. On the other hand the Liberals want to do the same thing but also add a capitalist economic system that will not only let the kebabs seize power but also be rich. Both of those parties work in the interests of the Kebabs and we should not let them ever get to power in our nation. The Only way is the NS Party of Liberland. Heil Liberland !!! > 88/14 !!! History repeats itself, once as tragedy, once as [Polandball](http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/polandball). ([more](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polandball), [examples](http://imgur.com/r/polandball)) (In case you need a hint: “Kebab” (or “kebap”) is any Turkish person, or maybe just Muslims in general; 88 = HH = Heil Hitler, 14 = AH = Adolf Hitler, and, yes, real Nazis use those codes as well.) ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/34 "2015-04-20T14:07:44Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > From the page:History repeats itself, once as tragedy, once as [Polandball](http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/polandball). ([more](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polandball), [examples](http://imgur.com/r/polandball)) > > (In case you need a hint: “Kebab” (or “kebap”) is any Turkish person, or maybe just Muslims in general; 88 = HH = Heil Hitler, 14 = AH = Adolf Hitler, and, yes, real Nazis use those codes as well.) Uh… So… “88” = “HH” whereas “14” = “AH”, so… “H” is represented by both “8” and “4”? Because if they are using the numbers as representations of letters according to their position in the alphabet… “14” would be “AD” … Arthur Dent? If real neonazis use that particular code, they definitely are not showing themselves as particularly bright individuals 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/35 "2015-04-20T14:39:39Z")
I think “14” is a reference to the “Fourteen Words”: We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children. > **[Fourteen Words](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words)** > > Fourteen Words (also abbreviated 14 or 14/88) is a reference to two slogans originated by David Eden Lane, one of nine founding members of the defunct white separatist terrorist organization The Order, and are accompanied by Lane's "88 Precepts". The slogans have served as a rallying cry for militant white nationalists internationally. The primary slogan in the Fourteen Words is "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children", followed by the s The two slogans were ... ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/36 "2015-04-21T05:05:17Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > Uh… So… “88” = “HH” whereas “14” = “AH”, so… “H” is represented by both “8” and “4”? Because if they are using the numbers as representations of letters according to their position in the alphabet… “14” would be “AD” … Arthur Dent? > > If real neonazis use that particular code, they definitely are not showing themselves as particularly bright individuals 😛 Those Neo-Nazis can’t count very well, now, can they? OK, I was tired and posting too fast. Happy 4/20 everyone! (Hitler’s Birthday. (The irony is not lost.)) ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/37 "2015-04-21T05:53:14Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > They have the worst flag, holy moly. If you’re going to start a new country, for God’s sake, at least design a decent flag. It’s got at least eight colors and a central design element that looks like a child’s coloring sheet. > > If they can’t get the flag right screw them. According to their facebook page, it only costs a mere $200 to get your own Liberland flag! The whole thing smells kinda scammy. I suspect the guy is going to collect a bunch of donations over the next few months and then pocket them once public interest wanes. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/38 "2015-04-21T18:09:47Z")
The flag is in Hapsburg colors. Do you think he has monarchist ambitions? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/39 "2015-04-21T21:27:41Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Who collects the garbage? Can’t someone else do it? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838/40 "2015-04-21T21:54:34Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Who collects the garbage? The Mob, just like everywhere else. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liberland-a-brand-new-country-in-europe/717838.md?page=3)