# Libertarian, a word please... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 23, 2001, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328 "2001-09-23T13:39:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/1 "2001-09-23T13:39:37Z")
Over in [MPSIMS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=87507&pagenumber=4) you said: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\* > Alas, I learned that our bid for threadspotting status was rejected due to either volume or priority. Apparently, making fun of Ikea is more critical to the goal of fighting ignorance than what we are trying to do. > > It’s a shame. > > In fact, I notice than an awful lot of the board’s “heavyweights” aren’t checking in: Gaudere, Spiritus, David B, Jab, the Admins, Tris, Poly, RT, and that evolution guy, what is it, Bob or something? > > Anyway, maybe I should go post in a few great debates. \*\* **Lib** this is disgusting. Naming names of people who aren’t participating, as though only by joining your personal cause can they fight hatred and evil is so terribly wrong that I’m shocked to find you doing it. I let your shameful attempt to bully **Esprix** go, since he seemed willing to ignore it (I had a response typed out and everything). But now you’re doing it to other posters, you’ve started what, two(?) more threads trying to advertise (the Pit one, and the ATMB one) and in every one, you’re trying to shame others into joining. NO ONE has an obligation to justify, “check in”, or answer to you. This is repulsive. You’re starting to sound like a cross between a PBS Fund Drive on Crack and Stalin. (“Comrades, here is a list of posters who have watched Masterpiece Theatre and who have spoken of Phelps without contributing! Go find them! They must be taught a lesson!”) In addition, a fund raising drive, even for a good cause _isn’t_ (IMHO) good “Threadspotting” material. And for you to cast oblique aspersions on **Tuba’s** character (Apparently, making fun of Ikea is more critical to the goal of fighting ignorance than what we are trying to do.") is even more ugly. Lib, **Tuba** is a world-class ignorance-fighter. I trust her judgement far more than yours. Once again the assumption is “Lib’s priorities are more important than ANYTHING else. And anyone who disagrees isn’t fighting ignorance”. And, by the way: No. I don’t have to [“shut the fuck up (about Phelps)”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=88186) if I don’t join your personal crusade. You keep saying “This isn’t about me.” but dammit, you’re making it about yourself with your assumptions that anyone who doesn’t join this particular project of yours somehow isn’t fighting hate. And I don’t accept that. Nor will I answer the inevitable “Well, what are _you_ doing?” question as it’s really none of anyone’s business. Finally, this is a damned good cause. I think the plan is well thought out. I’m not knocking this attempt to undermine Phelps. On the other hand, the cause does _not_ justify your tactics. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/2 "2001-09-23T13:47:55Z")
Damn skippy. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/3 "2001-09-23T13:49:16Z")
Aargh. Naturally, the paragraph that I left off is the critcal, final one. **Lib** , I applaud your willingness and your dedication to this cause. I admire your hard work. But I think you’re getting a sort-of tunnel-vision where nothing matters except The Cause. Do you _really_ think **Gaudere** (to pick a name of someone we both admire) deserved your attempt to shame her into signing up? Please, take a step back and think about how what you say will be percieved before this worthy cause is undermined. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/4 "2001-09-23T14:19:27Z")
I very much support the cause, but I must say that I have had more than one moment when I winced and said, “ooh… that wasn’t nice.” **Lib** , you know I’m behind you 100%, but I would also ask that you tone it down somewhat, and not start making personal attacks. I’m a newbie, so I don’t have a good long-term view of your personality and I truly can’t tell when you’re being tongue-in-cheek (like in your plea to **Esprix** ) or when you mean it. As our goal here is to fight hate with love, I humbly request a more loving and understanding tone and less baiting, please. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/5 "2001-09-23T14:22:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Please, take a step back and think about how what you say will be percieved before this worthy cause is undermined. Noted and done. Thank you for jarring me into my senses. My sincere apologies to everyone I named. I’m ashamed for having done it. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/6 "2001-09-23T14:30:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Please, take a step back and think about how what you say will be percieved before this worthy cause is undermined. > > Noted and done. Thank you for jarring me into my senses. My sincere apologies to everyone I named. I’m ashamed for having done it. \*\* **Lib** as always, you’re a classy guy and I admire you for many things, of which this was but one. I’m gonna e-mail a few mods to see about getting this closed ASAP. ( **Euty?** You still there?) Thanks again, **Lib!** Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/8 "2001-09-23T14:39:17Z")
Lay off Fenris, you dickrag. He’s my buddy and he just did me a favor, so fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/10 "2001-09-23T14:49:40Z")
No problem. Glad that’s settled. Whoever’s the last to leave, please turn out the lights. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/11 "2001-09-23T14:52:29Z")
Kewl! I got my very own “Youre a trolhunter” sock! Now I’m a _real_ Doper! The “signs his name” so he _must_ be dumb thing was priceless. :: applauds :: Classic “sock” stupidity. This stuff is great. You couldn’t pay for a better textbook example! Say something else **righg**! All the other trollhunter’s are gonna be jealous of me! Aaaaawww…c’mon! Say somethin’ else! Tell me I’m a Commie or somethin’ How can I look all the other \ trollhunters \ in the face if you’re not gonna say somethin’ good. Eagerly awaiting your reply, Fenris, Now an official Troll-Hunter! (PS: Thanks for the kind words **Lib!** ) ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/12 "2001-09-23T14:57:38Z")
This just seen on the front page: “Welcome to our newest member, Fenris is an airhead” This could be fun… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-a-word-please/83328/13 "2001-09-23T14:59:49Z")
**Fen** Thank _you_ for knowing what friendship really means and acting on that knowledge. I feel a bit like John the Baptist — well intentioned, but myopic. I’m fine now, thanks to you. I just hope the king doesn’t cut off my head! 😉 **Wry** Are you joking?