# Libertarian, bend over... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2002, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328 "2002-08-04T21:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/81 "2002-08-05T22:42:52Z")
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen so much behaviour worthy of contempt in one thread by one poster. _Originally Posted by Libertarian:_ > [@](#): > > Pity? From the likes of you? Is this some sick joke? > [@](#): > > Well, let’s see… From that list, I value the opinions of Ferrous, Opal, Truth, Guin, and Matt. Apparently, **Libertarian** is of the opinion that almost half of the posters on this board (4 out of the 9 **dalovindj** cited) are of no consequence, are worthless, have no voice in his little world. This high and mighty attitude has suffused **Libertarian** ’s posting recently, in this thread and in the one which led to its opening. **Libertarian** appears to cast himself into the role of knight in shining armour, coming to **Tuba** ’s rescue there, and shows the same arrogance here. _Originally posted by Libertarian:_ > [@](#): > > Come walk in my shoes. When you’ve done that, then you will come from a place that matters. > [@](#): > > I would sacrifice my own honor to defend hers any day. (The latter of course refers to **Tubadiva** ) **Libertarian** , get off the fucking high horse before you talk to us mere mortals next time. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/82 "2002-08-05T22:54:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IJGrieve \* > \*\*Apparently, **Libertarian** is of the opinion that almost half of the posters on this board (4 out of the 9 **dalovindj** cited) are of no consequence, are worthless, have no voice in his little world. \*\* Boy, what a \*non sequitur. I thought maybe Dopers, of all people, understood a little about statistics, but I guess not. Please tell us exactly how you extrapolate from 4 posters to **one particular thread** to “almost half of the posters **on this board**.” There are something like 8,000 registered users at the SDMB, so I’d really like to know how you made that leap. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/83 "2002-08-05T22:56:49Z")
hey sparky - thanks, it was almost getting nice again. By the way, we are “ **allowed** ” to respect certain people more than others here. For example, most here thought that **JackDeanTyler** was a loon, and not worthy of respect. And, most here think that **Polycarp** is. So, the fact that **Lib** selected certain posters over others as those who’s opinion he valued, is pretty damned standard. ( let’s see, that covers the quote about ‘pity from the likes of you?’, the list, and his valuation of **Tuba** ), which leaves the other comment, which I agree, taken out of context is pretty high horsed, but was spoken in response to a generic type of “well, you may be an Indian, but \*_I, I_ \* actually _live_ near a reservation and know some Indians personally” (that was a paraphrasing/exaggeration). ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/84 "2002-08-05T23:00:23Z")
These shoes–are they moccasins? 'Cause I find my sturdy boots much more comfortable–the innumerable rocks in my part of the country have a tendency to jab through the soles of moccasins… ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/85 "2002-08-05T23:04:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*\which leaves the other comment, which I agree, taken out of context is pretty high horsed, but was spoken in response to a generic type of “well, you may be an Indian, but \*_I, I_ \* actually _live_ near a reservation and know some Indians personally” (that was a paraphrasing/exaggeration). \*\* Damn straight it was an exaggeration! I only included my background so as to point out that I’m not a “tourist” sitting in a ivory tower somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/86 "2002-08-05T23:08:15Z")
{{{ **Libertarian** }}} It hasn’t boiled down to that point yet, but IMO some folks are being (needlessly) less than charitable. Let’s end this (and I’m not just talking to **Lib** here) before things get even more neednessly nasty. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/87 "2002-08-05T23:13:09Z")
which is **why** I said it was a paraphrasing/exaggeration. whatever the reason you included the info, it **did** indeed sound like the whole generic ‘I have friends who are fill in the blank’, which is what **Lib** (over)reacted to. So, my beef wasn’t with you, but rather with the person popping in to stir up the shit again. ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/88 "2002-08-05T23:28:49Z")
**wring** : “It was getting nice again” I started my post when **stofsky** ’s (responding to Lib’s list post which I found rather offensive) post was at the bottom of the thread. Due to my 56K modem and probably fairly high board traffic, your \*rather arbitrary IMHO \* peacemaking must’ve come after I clicked submit. Also **wring** , I think you know the difference between an obvious troll like **JDT** and a typical relatively-low-postcount poster like **stofsky** or **Ankh\_too**. It’s news to me that **Polycarp** is a loon. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/89 "2002-08-06T00:14:15Z")
**IJGrieve** - my ‘peacekeeper’ post as you called it, came a good half hour or so after the combatants had basically kissed and made up. RE: **Poly** - please insert “considered worthy of respect” in the appropriate place . Thought it was clear - since what I did post was “JDT is…not worth of respect. Poly is” ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/90 "2002-08-06T00:49:46Z")
**Lib** , as a person with quite a lot of respect for you, and who fully understands why a little defense of **Tuba** was appropriate in that other thread, could I ask you to respond to a couple of straightforward questions? 1. Did you seriously mean to suggest that people were going after you and your position because you’re Indian? 2. Do you have any regret about making that comment? **dldj** is way over the top in the vehemence of his assault, but it appears to me that you have avoided any direct response to those questions. If I’ve missed such a response, I would appreciate being directed to it. Thanks much. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/91 "2002-08-06T10:02:14Z")
Minty > [@](#): > > 1. Did you seriously mean to suggest that people were going after you and your position because you’re Indian? Of course not. Unlike DJ, not everyone reserves unto only himself the privilege of making “inside jokes”. > [@](#): > > 1. Do you have any regret about making that comment? Only that it provided a convenient hook for a couple of homophobic hypocrites to lecture me on ethics. > [@](#): > > If I’ve missed such a response, I would appreciate being directed to it. Thanks much. I don’t know why I should have graced implications of racism with the dignity of a response. I choose to respond to you, not because of what your questions are, but because of who you are. Incidentally, the posters whom I identified as holding opinions that I value are posters whom I knew. The others had monickers that are unfamiliar to me. But let us be clear: merely valuing an opinion different from my own does not compel me to change mine. I may value what you say and disagree with you at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/92 "2002-08-06T12:17:04Z")
Thanks, Lib. It did seem rather out of character, and I’m glad it was a misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/93 "2002-08-06T14:53:23Z")
If when I make an in-joke based on the oversensitivity of the PC crowd I’m a homophobic hypocrit (\*:cough:\*strawman), then when you make an in-joke based on the (non-existant) “persecute him because of his race” crowd, you’re a \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_. I could fill in the blank, but I’ve thrown enough insults at you here. Maybe another poster? Boy do you reveal yourself in spades. I really wonder how one can claim to follow the Christian doctrine, and at the same time be so insulting (so much for turn the other cheek), and care so little about people who you don’t know. So much for lead by example. DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/94 "2002-08-06T15:10:41Z")
You have your own moral journey, DJ, familiar only to your God or conscience. By all means, don’t follow my example. Follow your own heart. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/95 "2002-08-06T15:18:17Z")
I don’t think **Lib** has ever claimed to be a Messiah or Bodhisattva, **DaLovin’**. Just let it go. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/96 "2002-08-06T15:36:08Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t know why I should have graced **implications of racism** with the dignity of a response. My bolding. See, you still haven’t responded, to clarify this bit. No one, and I mean NO ONE has accused you of racism. What you have been accused of by at least 10 posters is playing the race card when race was not an issue. You say it was a joke. Oh. Um. Good one. Wait. I don’t get it. Care to fill us mortals in on why this is funny? > [@](#): > > You have your own moral journey, DJ, familiar only to your God or conscience. By all means, don’t follow my example. Follow your own heart. True. And I do. I also factor in what others tell me, and try to figue out for myself what is good. Not for nothing, but your tough sell of the Christian goals of love of everybody sound pretty hollow when your actions don’t live up. I think you’ve been smug and condescending and shown disregard to at least 10 other humans. We didn’t wake up and decide “Hey! That Lib should be attacked fuck it, lets get him”. No. We were reading, I think, one of the most signifigant and relevant threads I’ve ever seen concerning how this board gets run. In the end the system worked. Folks had valid complaints. They were aired in the proper place. The action was considered by the powers that be, and the decision was reversed seemingly on the merits of the arguments presented (showing the wisdom of our noble staff). Wow. Amazing. Faith renewed. And right in the middle of all this (which had me on the edge of my seat), some guy steps out and plays the race card. If there was anything that thread was not about, it was race. Not the best time for a really cryptic joke that could be construed as a total non-sequiter-persecution-complex-oh-pity-me-type-of-attitude. I think folks got a point, on this one. It would be nice to hear you acknowledge that. I guess I ask for too much. DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/97 "2002-08-06T15:46:24Z")
No, really, what **did** you mean by the “suck my what?” comment? I’m really, really curious now. Care to fill us mortals in on why this is funny? I, personally, think it was supposed to be an anti-gay thing. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/98 "2002-08-06T16:21:55Z")
> [@](#): > > No, really, what did you mean by the “suck my what?” comment? I’m really, really curious now. Care to fill us mortals in on why this is funny? I, personally, think it was supposed to be an anti-gay thing. Glad you asked. You see, you asking is part of the setup. Here, let me show you the script: > [@](#): > > DLDJ > You wanna suck my _what_? > > PC-REPRESENTATIVE > (_storming in_) Hey! Are you saying he wants to blow you and that that is a bad thinng! > > DLDJ > No, I’m saying that he wants to suck something that I have which I would find shocking if he were to suck. > > PC-REPRESENTATIVE > You mean a blowjob? > > DLDJ > No, blowjobs don’t shock me. > > PC-REPRESENTAATIVE > What would **Lib** have to suck on to shock you? > > DLDJ > I’ll give you a hint. You can find it in most homes. > > PC-REPRESENTATIVE > What do you mean by that? Why is that funny? Now, at this point, I have to step in and explain it. Perfect. You see, now anyone who has read this now goes through a list of things they have in their home and imagines **Lib** sucking on things in my house, and then must try to figure out what my reaction to him sucking it would be. Would he be shocked if **Lib** sucked a vacuum cleaner? Would he be shocked if **Lib** sucked a doorknob? Would he be shocked if **Lib** sucked an egg? Now, to me, the idea of a bunch of Dopers trying to think of all the things in their house that **Lib** may try to suck on is pure comedy. It’s a great flame in the spirit of the old “Go suck an egg!” insult, but spruced up for the net. I did rely on a member of the PC crew to make the joke work, sorry about not being able to tell you about your part till after the fact. But the script did say exit stage left, so shoo now. And with that the joke is complete. Voila. DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/99 "2002-08-06T16:33:44Z")
> [@](#): > > And right in the middle of all this (which had me on the edge of my seat), some guy steps out and plays the race card. Race card? I’m sure that in your private little world — let’s call it the Suck-My-What world — you perceived that a person who dared to disturb your edge-of-the-seat fascination over a wonderful woman being dragged through hell for no good reason was pissing on your parade. She was already suffering. Enough was enough. It might have been nothing more than a spectacle to you, but to me it was a matter of a good person not being given the benefit of the doubt. Her grace and dignity in the face of what transpired in that thread proves me out. And here you are, moping endlessly over your petty and private concern, stomping your feet and holding your breath because you’re consumed with hatred for me. This isn’t about me. And it certainly isn’t about Tuba. It’s about not letting go of an imaginary and trivial perception. If you want to say “nigger”, be black. If you want to say “cocksucker”, be gay. And if you want to say “injun”, have an ancestor who walked the Trail of Tears. If you want always to have your private little party, then don’t expect the rest of us to play along with you. Race card, my ass. Only racists play race cards. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/100 "2002-08-06T16:40:50Z")
Oh, I see, DJ. You apparently have me confused with a person willing to read from an imaginary script playing only in your head, and you apparently think I’m gullible, as well. I think you also have a . . . how to put it . . . disproportionate sense of your own comedic skills. I don’t know, maybe New Yorkers are more easily amused, or something? I do like watching you either squirm or make ridiculous demands of others depending on which side of the argument you happen to be on at the moment. Now **that’s** funny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328.md?page=6)