# Libertarian, bend over... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2002, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328 "2002-08-04T21:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ultress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7c8e57/32.png) [@ultress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultress)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/121 "2002-08-07T11:10:39Z")
The wisest thing you have posted in the thread yet, **Lib**. You know sometimes it just ain’t worth the bickering, you accomplish nothing, except giving someone else the enjoyment of getting your dander up. Some comments just aren’t worth the time and effort. Rarely on this board have I seen true instances where a poster needed to defend themselves. Opinions are opinions and with the way that content of posts can be taken out of context, sometimes it’s just better to let people think what they will. In the end, it all comes out in the wash. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/122 "2002-08-07T13:22:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Squish \* > \*\* > Sorta-kind of. In an episode of the TV show LEXX, “Love Grows” a genetically engineered virus causes the crew members (well, except for the dead guy and the robot head) to reserve sex parts. Stan, who is a lovable loser, exclaims in shock, “I–I’ve got–girl parts!” \*\* …and proceeds to get ravaged by a really scary woman who now has boy parts. Hehehe!! ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/123 "2002-08-07T13:52:22Z")
Good post ultress. > [@](#): > > Rarely on this board have I seen true instances where a poster needed to defend themselves. _Both_ sides to this should have declared victory in their own minds and walked some time ago. **Lib** , Old Bean, you’re a passionate man, and I admire that. And I admire what you’re passionate about. But perhaps sometimes you could afford to put more care into translating the killer line that finishes the argument _for you_ into one that’s going to be effective to your audience. OTOH you’ve come in for a tremendous bollocking about various things here in the last week or so and stayed fairly cool considering. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/124 "2002-08-07T14:02:37Z")
We’ve already heard this song before, in spades, raised to a small slam, and redoubled: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > You’ve already decided that, _because_ you hate me, _whatever_ I do will be unacceptable to you. One of the constants that runs through my interactions with **Lib** is his whole “you hate me” mantra, which for a long time had little basis other than my strong disagreements with his libertarian philosophy. He’s also told me I hate libertarianism. There’s something of a persecution complex here, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/125 "2002-08-07T14:16:53Z")
It seems to me that, in the quest for bodhichitta (or learning radical love, to move the jargon back westerly), that the tendency to attribute disagreement to hatred is…not helpful, for a variety of reasons. But everyone has their own stumbling blocks tied to their toes. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/126 "2002-08-07T15:41:04Z")
**Lib** , the OP itself was telling you to come down off the cross. Did it ever occur to you that statements like:\*\* > [@](#): > > You’ve already decided that, because you hate me, whatever I do will be unacceptable to you. \*\*and \*\* > [@](#): > > It occurs to me right at this moment that such things as this thread are nothing more than another part of my moral journey — to learn to love people like you\*\* is exactly what people are taking you to task for? I always defend the objects of peoples’ faith, don’t try to remain invisible, love to play devils advocate, and glory in going against the crowd when I think they are wrong, but I don’t get multiple pit threads started about me. Why? Because I don’t do the “you all hate me, but I’m going to do my best to love you” holier-than-thou bullshit. I am not your enemy **Lib** , and am on your side in many debates, but the Christ complex schtick is beginning to annoy even _me_. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328/127 "2002-08-07T16:24:55Z")
You’re probably right, Beeble. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-bend-over/122328.md?page=6)