# Libertarian is a bully, a bully, bully **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 6, 2004, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835 "2004-03-06T09:24:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/21 "2004-03-06T11:16:24Z")
> [@yosemitebabe](#): > > If you’re ignorant and need further education, does it not matter if you act like a pathetic whiner? > > Listen—some of the people who debate here pull out the Big Guns. I don’t think I’m as stupid as a sack of hair (and I’m certainly not saying that you are) but some of these people _scare_ me, they’re so smart. Out in the “real world” people tell me _I_ am smart, (and in fact, I don’t think I’m any dummy), but this is the Straight Dope. This isn’t the real world. I’ve learned to know my limits in this place. I suggest that you learn yours as well. > > And stop whining. It doesn’t make you look any smarter. how am i a pathetic whiner? because i don’t care for this bully? ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/22 "2004-03-06T11:17:43Z")
> [@Never Have I Because I](#): > > nope, not what i’m complaining about. Yes, it is. Stop whining because someone uses words you don’t understand and cites you don’t understand. _NEVER_ whine “unfair” and “I hate this person!” when theydoes this to you. NEVER. It just makes you look like a pathetic whiner. I’m just sayin’ is all. It is _unseemly_ to do that. Do you know what _unseemly_ means? ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/23 "2004-03-06T11:17:55Z")
> [@1920s Style Death Ray](#): > > No he didn’t, he just came up with a ridiculous hijack of a thread about the supernatural. > > The proof may have been logically correct. But that doesn’t make it an accurate representation of the real world. yosemite, take your cues from this man! ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/24 "2004-03-06T11:19:53Z")
> [@yosemitebabe](#): > > Yes, it is. > > Stop whining because someone uses words you don’t understand and cites you don’t understand. _NEVER_ whine “unfair” and “I hate this person!” when theydoes this to you. NEVER. It just makes you look like a pathetic whiner. > > I’m just sayin’ is all. It is _unseemly_ to do that. Do you know what _unseemly_ means? if i were to, say, present a arguement in debate, would it not be fair to have it presented in a way i could understand? don’t be so condescending. ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/25 "2004-03-06T11:21:08Z")
shit. clarify: if i were to present a arguement in debate, would it be unfair to not present my arguement in a way the other debaters understand? ---
**Author:** ![so\_da\_ne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@so\_da\_ne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/so_da_ne)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/26 "2004-03-06T11:24:27Z")
Originally posted by **Never Have I Because I** > [@](#): > > most libertarians seem to be silly, greedy “All for me, none for you” people Is that the best you can do? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/27 "2004-03-06T11:25:44Z")
> [@so\_da\_ne](#): > > Originally posted by **Never Have I Because I** > Is that the best you can do? :rolleyes: what are you talking about? it’s what i’ve seen. i’d like to see evidence to the contrary, and get a better of an idea of rational libertarians! ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/28 "2004-03-06T11:27:18Z")
> [@Never Have I Because I](#): > > shit. clarify: > > if i were to present a arguement in debate, would it be unfair to not present my arguement in a way the other debaters understand? Are you asking would it be not unfair to not present an argument in a way that the other debaters did not understand or whether it would be unfair to present an argument in a way that the other debaters did not understand? Or not? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/29 "2004-03-06T11:32:29Z")
> [@yosemitebabe](#): > > If you’re ignorant and need further education, does it not matter if you act like a pathetic whiner? > > And stop whining. It doesn’t make you look any smarter. Did you read the thread in question? It was an unwarranted hijack that seemed to be done for the sole purpose of allowing **Lib** to show off a fairly unconvincing argument for the existance of God. I mean really, using modal logic (is that what it’s called?) as an argument against someone who doesn’t understand it? What’s the point? What was he trying to achieve? And exactly what did it have to do with the OP being annoyed with people who jump at a supernatural explanation for something that has a perfectly good natural explanation? ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/30 "2004-03-06T11:34:39Z")
> [@don't ask](#): > > Are you asking would it be not unfair to not present an argument in a way that the other debaters did not understand or whether it would be unfair to present an argument in a way that the other debaters did not understand? Or not? the second one of the first question ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/31 "2004-03-06T11:37:31Z")
> [@Never Have I Because I](#): > > how am i a pathetic whiner? because i don’t care for this bully? Because of the way you explained it. Let’s go back to the OP: > [@](#): > > He used terms unfamilar to me, He used big words that I have never learned. Unfair! God Forbid I ask him to clarify or look up the words myself. > [@](#): > > he quoted and referenced philiosopher people with great glee, as if they were supposed to justify his ideas and make him appear smarter. He quoted people that _he_ knew about (because he’s apparently educated on the subject) and he figured that if I didn’t know of these people, either I was ignorant or I could look them up on Google! How DARE he! He’s evidently more educated than I am, but rather than admit this to myself, I’ll delude myself that he only cites these big shot philosophers on a pretense—he’s only _pretending_ to look smart. > [@](#): > > He expected me to understand things only in the way he described it. God forbid I ask him to explain further, or God Forbid I simply say, “Dude—you’ve lost me.” > [@](#): > > He bullied me around. He didn’t let up when I obviously was lost. He didn’t cut me a break. He kept debating and didn’t hold back even though he could tell I was ignorant. But instead of just admitting to myself that I was outgunned this time, I blame him and I hate him. Because God Forbid anyone remind me of my ignorance. > [@](#): > > He is a great big shithead. I hate him. He didn’t let up when it was obvious that I was completly clueless and for that, I hate him. In a debate, I expect to be given a break when I am outgunned. Look, if you want to bitch because he derailed the thread, fine. It happens all the time, but I can see being annoyed by it. But to bitch because he used big words and cited people you’d never heard of? Give me a freakin’ break. To put a different spin on it, let’s say you are pretty accomplished in some subject—let’s say knitting. You meet someone who has some strong opinions about knitting, but unlike you, they have had less exposre to all the various forms of knitting. They haven’t attended the high falutin’ Knitting Conventions like you have, and they haven’t studied under the Master Knitters like you have. So when this person starts saying some things about knitting, and you deem these opinions they have about knitting either to be irritating, ignorant, or you simply disagree with them, do you _have_ to avoid mentioning you extensive knowledge and understanding about knitting? Do you _have_ to refrain from mentioning that So-and-So Master Knitter says this, and at the Big Knitting Convention they said that, just because you don’t want to hurt the feelings of this person (whose opinion you think is shitty and uninformed)? Why? I’m not saying that Lib is right about the subject that was being discussed. I’m just saying that he didn’t hold back and I don’t think he was obligated to hold back. Some people work with _all_ that they’ve got. They don’t hold back just to spare the feelings of someone who, they believe, is ignorant, annoying, arrogant, or full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/32 "2004-03-06T11:40:29Z")
> [@Never Have I Because I](#): > > shit. clarify: > > if i were to present a arguement in debate, would it be unfair to not present my arguement in a way the other debaters understand? I think you did better the first time with that one 🙂 What about: If I were to present an argument in debate, wouldn’t it be best to have it presented in a way that you could understand? > [@Libertarian](#): > > (NHIBI: I’m sorry I hurt your feelings. I didn’t mean to.) I missed this before. **Never Have I Because I** , this is probably the best you can expect from a Pit Rant, maybe you should consider it to have run it’s course with a favourable outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/33 "2004-03-06T11:41:16Z")
yosemite, as i said, read what ' **death ray** said. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/34 "2004-03-06T11:42:10Z")
> [@1920s Style Death Ray](#): > > Did you read the thread in question? Yes. > [@](#): > > It was an unwarranted hijack that seemed to be done for the sole purpose of allowing **Lib** to show off a fairly unconvincing argument for the existance of God. Pit the hijack. It’s more understandable to pit the hijack. > [@](#): > > I mean really, using modal logic (is that what it’s called?) as an argument against someone who doesn’t understand it? What’s the point? It’s funny. At least I thought so. Perhaps I have an odd sense of humor. > [@](#): > > And exactly what did it have to do with the OP being annoyed with people who jump at a supernatural explanation for something that has a perfectly good natural explanation? Once again, pit the hijack. But to whine and get all sullen because someone uses words you don’t understand? That’s silly. Either look up the words, educate yourself on what is being cited, or say, “Dude, you’ve lost me.” ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/35 "2004-03-06T11:43:28Z")
> [@Never Have I Because I](#): > > did you read anything i wrote? No, I pulled out a response from my file folder labeled “Reponses for people who are whining”. Once I saw your OP was fairly well whining, I stopped thinking right there. No other logic or fact entered my post. > [@](#): > > i am compalining because he derailed my thread! and put pointless shit i could not give a rip about, and expected me to accept it on his terms! You asked for a proof and you’re complaining that you got something you couldn’t understand? If you want to be the smartest person somewhere, usually the surest way of doing that is locking yourself in a room alone. Next time, ask questions until you get an answer that makes sense to you. The best educators teach their students both the how and the why of things working, not just the names. ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/36 "2004-03-06T11:49:00Z")
“Pit the hijack. It’s more understandable to pit the hijack.” I DID! ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/37 "2004-03-06T11:50:52Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > No, I pulled out a response from my file folder labeled “Reponses for people who are whining”. Once I saw your OP was fairly well whining, I stopped thinking right there. No other logic or fact entered my post. thanks for the unneccasary comment! i mean, what the hell? ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/38 "2004-03-06T11:53:22Z")
> [@Never Have I Because I](#): > > “Pit the hijack. It’s more understandable to pit the hijack.” > > I DID! But ya didn’t stop there. You whined about the big words. Don’t do that next time. It’s unseemly. ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/39 "2004-03-06T11:55:16Z")
> [@yosemitebabe](#): > > But ya didn’t stop there. > > You whined about the big words. > > Don’t do that next time. It’s unseemly. right. so you deicided you nitpick one bit of my op over and over again, saying all i was doing was complaining about ‘big words’, and only now renege about it? fuck you, you stupid bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835/40 "2004-03-06T11:55:18Z")
> [@yosemitebabe](#): > > Pit the hijack. It’s more understandable to pit the hijack. Yes, that probably would’ve been a better option. I came fairly close to pitting the hijack myself when I was first reading the thread. Thought better of it though, I don’t have the attention span or single mindedness to carry on an argument over the net. I tend to find myself struggling against my tendancy to see both sides of a debate. > [@](#): > > It’s funny. At least I thought so. Perhaps I have an odd sense of humor. Would’ve been funnier if it hadn’t swamped the OP. I was looking forward to reading people’s ghost stories, or about people’s stupid friends who believe anything they’re told. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-a-bully-a-bully-bully/232835.md?page=3)