# Libertarian, is there no limit to your hypocrisy? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 25, 2001, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443 "2001-05-25T03:21:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2001, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/101 "2001-06-16T05:18:48Z")
I made this post a few days ago, but a recent check on the SDMB showed that it hadn’t made it through the server. I’m reposting it now. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\*Yes, Ben, much like my “arguments” are “gripes,” your “accidents” are “egregious mischaracterizations.” Fair’s fair. \*\* But as I pointed out, I only called your posts “gripes” because you hadn’t addressed my arguments, and were only repeating yourself. > [@](#): > > \*\* > You also need to decide whether you’re talking about what _God_ did or what the _Israelites_ did. \*\* Actually, I believe the big beef here is what I said about Chaim’s defense of what the Israelites did. Why do you say that I’m “switching horses midstream”? > [@](#): > > \*\* > Here are your cites. I don’t expect you to admit you’re wrong–you’re so hell-bent on making Chaim Keller into a homophobic bigot that nothing, at this point, could possibly dissuade you. \*\* If you check the thread you linked to, you’ll see that I didn’t participate in that discussion. I was completely unaware of these statements from Chaim, and now that I’m aware of them, I’ve posted an apology and a retraction in the appropriate thread. > [@](#): > > **I’ll guarantee that had Chaim said that the societies God wiped out were full of incest, bestiality, human sacrifice, and eating shellfish, you wouldn’t have blinked an eye.** Rather than repeating this claim over and over again, I’d rather you instead addressed the argument put forth by hardcore and myself. (Specifically, the argument about executions in Texas.) -Ben ---
**Author:** ![Boris\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/fbc32d/32.png) [@Boris\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boris_B)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2001, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/102 "2001-08-11T08:09:08Z")
**pldennison** wrote, > [@](#): > > If that isn’t “Nazi-baiting,” I don’t know what is. Apparently, such a thing is only in “grotesque poor taste” when engaged in by Not-Ben. Also, please note that Ben contributed in large part to getting Danielinthewolvesden (of whom I am no friend) banned from the SDMB for a much less invidious comparison involving little more than the phrases “your buddy Goebbels” and “the Big Lie.” … which brought back recollections of [when](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=12871) he wrote, > [@](#): > > I sure hope the three of you are joking, because otherwise you are indistinguishable from the Nazis. Tell me, who is going to supervise this wonderful eugenics program of yours? > > ``` > Sieg Heil! > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2001, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/103 "2001-08-11T16:14:28Z")
So if you’re “not-pldennison”, and somebody is using Hitler’s rhetoric to justify genocide in GD, and you ask why we should view that as being any less offensive than the original Nazi rhetoric, that’s bad. But if you’re pldennison, and some people _in MPSIMS_ gets so steamed over the mistreatment of a child that they suggest- maybe in jest, maybe not- that people shouldn’t be allowed to have kids unless they’re competent to raise them, and stress that they’re only talking about competence, not about genetics… why, obviously you have to declare that they’re indistinguishable from Nazis! Well, it’s no wonder that pldennison said that I’m the only one who thinks his attacks on me totally backfired! It’s all become quite clear to me now! -Ben ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2001, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/104 "2001-08-11T17:38:09Z")
I said in your GD thread that I was going to drop it from this point forward, Ben. If you’d really like me to keep going, I will. It’s up to you. Just say the word. I’d also like to note that the post to which Boris B. linked was two years old. That’s a pretty long way to go to make a point, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2001, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/105 "2001-08-11T17:48:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\*I said in your GD thread that I was going to drop it from this point forward, Ben. If you’d really like me to keep going, I will. It’s up to you. Just say the word. \*\* I have a better idea. The next time you decide to make a criticism of me, think carefully about whether it’s on target. That way, you won’t look like you’re out to get me at all costs when you misconstrue anti-creationist comments as being broadly anti-Christian. If you can do that, I don’t think we’ll have many problems. -Ben ---
**Author:** ![Starbury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Starbury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starbury)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/106 "2001-08-12T00:20:30Z")
Well, as someone who hasn’t made any “Nazi-baiting” remarks, **Ben** , I found your comment to **Chaim** uncalled for yet entirely consistent with your previous posts. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/107 "2001-08-12T06:47:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Starbury \* > \*\*Well, as someone who hasn’t made any “Nazi-baiting” remarks, **Ben** , I found your comment to **Chaim** uncalled for \*\* The question isn’t “uncalled for.” The question is whether it serves as evidence for pldennison’s accusations against me. Fenris found my comparison offensive, but he doesn’t claim it makes me the “Great Satan of the SDMB” (as Hardcore summarized pld’s arguments.) Here’s one of the things pldennison said: “Here are your cites. I don’t expect you to admit you’re wrong–you’re so hell-bent on making Chaim Keller into a homophobic bigot that nothing, at this point, could possibly dissuade you.” That more or less encapsulates his argument- he argued that I was interested in smearing Chaim, and found homophobia to be a useful brush to do it with, and that the real facts of the case didn’t matter to me. Do you agree with his assessment? > [@](#): > > \*\* > yet entirely consistent with your previous posts. \*\* Entirely consistent how? -Ben ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2001, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/108 "2001-08-12T16:17:49Z")
Uh, excuse me, but this is the last time I’m going to ask: Please leave me out of this discussion from this point forward. Starbury, if you want to get something going with Ben, do it on your own. You too, Ben. If either of you want to ask me a question about something I said, e-mail me. I’m not going to ask you again. If it continues, I’m going to ask the mods to close the thread. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/109 "2001-08-13T02:05:51Z")
Hey pldennison… ::chickens out and flees thread:: 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/110 "2001-08-13T06:45:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\*Uh, excuse me, but this is the last time I’m going to ask: Please leave me out of this discussion from this point forward. Starbury, if you want to get something going with Ben, do it on your own. You too, Ben. If either of you want to ask me a question about something I said, e-mail me. > > I’m not going to ask you again. If it continues, I’m going to ask the mods to close the thread. Period. \*\* Sorry about that, pldennison. Had I thought about it, I would have taken it to email. Just out of curiosity, I have a question for the mods: is it possible for someone to request that another person’s thread be shut down, just because they don’t like people talking about them in the Pit? -Ben ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2001, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443/111 "2001-08-13T13:46:55Z")
It’s certainly possible to **ask**. We’ll consider the situation, and possibly step in; but there’s no guarantee. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-is-there-no-limit-to-your-hypocrisy/66443.md?page=5)