# Libertarian Mythology

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-mythology/583327>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [May 26, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-mythology/583327 "2011-05-26T18:18:46Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-mythology/583327/221 "2011-06-16T20:58:50Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> I make it a practice not to debate libertarians anywhere but BBQ Pit.

The BBQ Pit isn’t meant for “debate.”

And what you call “debate” there is little more than ad hominem attacks.

So what you’re saying is that you don’t have the skill to debate libertarians.

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-mythology/583327/222 "2011-06-16T21:18:01Z")

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> [@emacknight](#):
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> The BBQ Pit isn’t meant for “debate.”
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> And what you call “debate” there is little more than ad hominem attacks.
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> So what you’re saying is that you don’t have the skill to debate libertarians.

If you’re pretending to be substantial, why don’t you address the post I quoted. Was it a sound reduction? or simply fatuous?

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**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-mythology/583327/223 "2011-06-16T22:05:35Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> If you’re pretending to be substantial, why don’t you address the post I quoted. Was it a sound reduction? or simply fatuous?

Na, I’ve chosen to only debate you in Cafe Society.

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**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\
**Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-mythology/583327/224 "2011-06-17T12:23:40Z")

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> [@emacknight](#):
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> Na, I’ve chosen to only debate you in Cafe Society.

Well, that is where a discussion of fiction should actually be held.

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**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\
**Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-mythology/583327/225 "2011-06-17T19:49:27Z")

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> [@Crane](#):
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> Just for clarification:
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> The government was not a factor in integrated circuit development.
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> The Apollo computer used commercial grade IBM hybrid devices. These were not integrated circuits in the sense the term is used today. Any ICs that flew on Apollo were passengers. The most common semiconductor was the Federal Electric 2N107 transistor. I know because I was a component engineer on the program.
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> Lee Boysel made the first IC computer at Four Phase Systems in the early 70s. It was strictly a commercial application.
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> The military is just another customer of the IC industry.
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> Crane

Not at all clear. From [here.](http://inventors.about.com/od/istartinventions/a/intergrated_circuit.htm)

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> Texas Instruments first used the chips in Air Force computers and the Minuteman Missile in 1962. They later used the chips to produce the first electronic portable calculators.

The government didn’t directly fund IC development, but were an important market for it.  
The history of the microprocessor has nothing to do with this. I was using small ICs in my logic lab in 1970, (quad nand gates, dual flops) and those parts were quite old. The military had no part in the initial development of the microprocessor, but ICs were already quite mature when this happened.

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