# Libertarian: Newlywed Game Remark **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 30, 2000, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846 "2000-05-30T02:25:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/121 "2003-02-10T17:07:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KidCharlemagne \* > \*\*Some people are so militantly skeptical on this board that they become as blind to truth as the most gullible among us. There are few people less rational than an intelligent person who can’t admit they’re wrong. \*\* Did you not notice that **Lib himself** has stated a couple posts above yours that this was not the clip that he was claiming to see? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/122 "2003-02-10T17:29:31Z")
Here’s a thought. Not a great one one, but still… I go to Star Trek conventions. (Yeah, I know. Geek.) At these conventions, there are usually one or two viewings of upcoming shows or movie trailers, etc… At some of these viewings, we are treated to clips and out takes of show and movies. They are not all sci-fi. I remember seeing very old _Andy Griffith (Griffin?) Show_ and _Jeopardy!_ flubs. Maybe something like that is what **Libby** “remembers?” ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/123 "2003-02-10T18:01:06Z")
Folks, can I make a suggestion here as the person who started this thread lo those many moons ago? Most of what is being discussed **now** is the same stuff that was discussed **then**. This thread was dredged up from the long-dead. The fact remains that Libertarian remembers one thing and many of us say that there is no evidence for that – even now that the long-sought-after clip has become available. Libertarian even noted the concessions he has made. Even moreso than most Great Debates, I don’t see that there is anything that can come out of this. Let’s let it go back to the depths where it had been for two and a half _years_. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/124 "2003-02-10T18:48:46Z")
Well, as the guy that did the dredging, I had a worthy motive: to add to the known, verifiable facts surrounding the story. But I must admit, **David B** , that in reviewing your posts of then and now, you continue to display a remarkable lack of contrition. I know, I know – you’ve nothing to be contrite about, right? **Lib** ’s recollection isn’t this clip, and the mere fact that a clip surfaced with “…in the ass,” has nothing whatsoever to do with the “…in the butt,” claim. They are completely distinct. There’s still no evidence for **Lib** ’s claim, and you have in no way been disproved by this clip’s appearance. But in the interests of intellectual honesty – suppose, back in 2000, I had joined the fray and said, “No, no - I remember it vividly: it wasn’t a black couple, they were dark-complected but not black. And it was the woman who said the funny line, and it was ‘…in the ass.’” If that had happened - in other words, if someone had offered a completely accurate description of the event - how would you have reacted? - Rick ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/125 "2003-02-10T19:00:52Z")
Bricker said: > [@](#): > > Well, as the guy that did the dredging, I had a worthy motive: to add to the known, verifiable facts surrounding the story. I don’t doubt that. I was just pointing out that the same arguments from twho and a half years ago were coming back again, and it wasn’t terribly productive. > [@](#): > > But I must admit, David B, that in reviewing your posts of then and now, you continue to display a remarkable lack of contrition. It’s not a lack of contrition – it’s boredom with the subject. If memory serves, there was another thread (or possibly more than one) that was started _after_ the clip was found, and this was discussed again there. So this one thread does not tell the whole tale. > [@](#): > > I know, I know – you’ve nothing to be contrite about, right? Not really, no. I was going based on all available evidence vs. Libertarian’s lone recollection. So one urban legend in a thousand turned out to be mostly correct. I’ll still bet against the next one. > [@](#): > > Lib’s recollection isn’t this clip, and the mere fact that a clip surfaced with “…in the ass,” has nothing whatsoever to do with the “…in the butt,” claim. They are completely distinct. There’s still no evidence for Lib’s claim, and you have in no way been disproved by this clip’s appearance. What it shows is that Libertarian’s memory (and I’m not singling him out – **all** memory) is fallible. He has admitted this, so I’m not really sure what you’re arguing here. Did you expect me to get down on my knees and beg his forgiveness? Like I said, we discussed it further in at least one other thread, though owing to the time that has elapsed I must admit that I don’t full recall the discussion. > [@](#): > > But in the interests of intellectual honesty – suppose, back in 2000, I had joined the fray and said, “No, no - I remember it vividly: it wasn’t a black couple, they were dark-complected but not black. And it was the woman who said the funny line, and it was ‘…in the ass.’” If that had happened - in other words, if someone had offered a completely accurate description of the event - how would you have reacted? At the time, I would have pointed out exactly the same things that I pointed out earlier here – that it was an urban legend, that there was no evidence this clip existed, that the host of the show denied it, etc. The weight of evidence was that the whole thing was an urban legend. (In point of fact, it still IS an urban legend, since we can see how the story changes with different people telling it, and some urban legends do in fact have their basis in a true event.) ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/126 "2003-02-10T19:08:59Z")
I am neither the OP nor the person referenced, but in the interest of the smooth functioning of the SDMB, it would be my hearty request that this thread be locked by a moderator. ---
**Author:** ![TVAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c57346/32.png) [@TVAA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVAA)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/127 "2003-02-10T19:43:57Z")
If you could lock **Libertarian** up too, we’d be much obliged. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/128 "2003-02-10T23:56:18Z")
But… but… **David B** has to fight for the “most pitted moderator of the year” title! How can you get pitted if you lock down the threads that are most likely to get you pitted? This whole thing is rigged! It’s a conspiracy to make **manhattan** the most pitted mod and keep him there! Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Edlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8797f3/32.png) [@Edlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/129 "2003-02-11T00:09:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by David B \* > He has admitted this, so I’m not really sure what you’re arguing here. Did you expect me to get down on my knees and beg his forgiveness? Well, yeah, I’d like to see that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/130 "2003-02-11T01:28:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mtgman \* > \*\*But… but… **David B** has to fight for the “most pitted moderator of the year” title! \*\* I know you’re joking, but just to be clear, I can’t speak for others, but I’m about three towns away from Pitting on this issue - just in case there’s any confusion. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/131 "2003-02-11T01:31:34Z")
I’m right next door **Bricker**. ---
**Author:** ![Purplefloyd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7cd45c/32.png) [@Purplefloyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purplefloyd)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/132 "2003-02-11T01:40:54Z")
All i know is that the first time i saw that clip, i laughed my ass off… ha ha ha… ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/133 "2003-02-11T04:35:31Z")
Mtgman said: > [@](#): > > But… but… David B has to fight for the “most pitted moderator of the year” title! How can you get pitted if you lock down the threads that are most likely to get you pitted? This whole thing is rigged! It’s a conspiracy to make manhattan the most pitted mod and keep him there! We don’t go by the year – we go for “all time.” And I’m so far ahead of manny that I can afford to take time off. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/134 "2003-02-11T06:21:22Z")
I smell a challenge. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/135 "2003-02-11T14:38:09Z")
Agree or not with **David B** , at least he’s still willing to get into they fray with the pleibs and doesn’t just leave his ivory mod tower to ban someone or close a thread he personally dislikes like some other mods. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/136 "2003-02-11T16:18:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bricker \* > \*\*I know you’re joking, but just to be clear, I can’t speak for others, but I’m about three towns away from Pitting on this issue - just in case there’s any confusion. \*\* I don’t quite understand what you mean by this. Do you mean if you hear anything more about conspiracies among the mods(or “Nazi mod” accusations) that you’re going to put up a pit rant? Is the “three towns” a metric of how many more times you’d ignore it before you opened your thread? Who would be the pittee? The vague “moderator conspiracy believers”?(sounds remarkably like the term for the group of people who believe the moon landing was a hoax) Or would you be pitting me? :eek: Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/137 "2003-02-11T16:45:39Z")
Er… Just meant I was quite a far distance from opening a Pit thread on the subject. That’s all… _::backs away slowly::_ ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/138 "2003-02-11T17:29:16Z")
I’m still confused. If you’re nowhere near opening a thread on the subject, why would you make a post saying you may make a thread on the subject? It was the “three towns”(which I have not heard used as a synonym for “quite a far distance”) bit which mostly confused me. No need to be scared though. Unless, of course, you actually DO open a pit thread with me as the subject, then you better be ready for what nearly a decade on usenet(including a good bit of time in alt.flame) has taught me. 🙂 Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/139 "2003-02-13T20:54:55Z")
My question is, who did Eubanks give the $10,000 reward to? Esprix ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846/140 "2003-02-14T03:18:40Z")
> [@](#): > > My question is, who did Eubanks give the $10,000 reward to? If anyone can find and post the exact wording of that offer, with a cite that seems credible, I’ll praise them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libertarian-newlywed-game-remark/20846.md?page=8)