# Libya too?! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 16, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595 "2011-02-16T16:37:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1861 "2011-09-01T16:03:49Z")
Now reports are that Ka-Daffy has been speaking live on TV, trying to rally the faithful. Just his voice, no image. At least part of the “speech” was on BBC until someone pulled the plug. The rebels seem to think he’s hiding in Ben Wali. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1862 "2011-09-03T21:16:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Rebels give holdouts in Sirte until Saturday to surrender.](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/08/2011830133244699250.html) [OK, one more week, but that’s all!](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/201193132125218864.html) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1863 "2011-09-04T02:03:23Z")
Ooooh. Now BBC is reporting the rebels have uncovered secret documents showing collusion between the CIA, MI6 and Libyan intelligence regarding post-9/11 terror suspects. Looks like Tripoli was being used as a rendiiton center for up to 8 suspects as recently as 2002. This will probably be big news. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1864 "2011-09-04T02:43:23Z")
[More on that.](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/03/world/africa/03libya.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2&pagewanted=all) We had thought the “black sites” Bush used for “enhanced interrogation” were mainly in eastern Europe, but Libya appears to have been one as well. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1865 "2011-09-04T05:28:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [More on that.](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/03/world/africa/03libya.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2&pagewanted=all) We had thought the “black sites” Bush used for “enhanced interrogation” were mainly in eastern Europe, but Libya appears to have been one as well. I believe we had one here in Thailand too, the old U-tapao Air Foce base on the Eastern Seaboard. Hambali may have beent taken there after his capture north of Bangkok eight years ago. But earlier when I said “as recently as 2002,” I meant “as long ago as 2002.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1866 "2011-09-04T16:54:52Z")
[The rebels were hoping to negotiate the surrender of Bani Walid, but talks failed, and now they’re getting ready to take it by force.](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/20119492342827494.html) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1867 "2011-09-06T14:01:35Z")
[Libyan armored convoy crosses into Niger.](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/20119691025123868.html) > [@](#): > > A large convoy containing between 200 and 250 Libyan armoured vehicles has crossed into Niger. > > Military sources from France and Niger told the Reuters news agency that the convoy, escorted by the Niger army, arrived in the northern desert town of Agadez on Monday. > > Amid the reports about the convoy, Libyan opposition fighters have been holding talks with tribal leaders in Bani Walid to enter the town peacefully. > > They are also negotiating with some tribes in Sirte, Gaddafi’s hometown, to lay down arms. > > Monday’s convoy included officers from Libya’s southern army battalions and pro-Gaddafi Tuareg fighters, and likely crossed from Libya into Algeria before entering Niger, the sources said. > > The French military source said he had been told Muammar Gaddafi and his son Saif al-Islam might be considering joining the convoy en route to Burkina Faso, a landlocked West African state which has offered Gaddafi and his family asylum and has a border with Niger. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1868 "2011-09-06T15:30:08Z")
Sounds like a second convoy may have crossed now too. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1869 "2011-09-06T17:16:25Z")
:rolleyes: Niger, **please!** ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1870 "2011-09-06T17:35:51Z")
Now they’ve dropped mention of a second convoy. Confusion reigns, as usual. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1871 "2011-09-06T23:30:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Libyan armored convoy crosses into Niger.](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/20119691025123868.html) Is that like Saddam’s truck convoys going into Syria? Maybe Khadafy is bringing back his order of yellowcake. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1872 "2011-09-06T23:50:17Z")
Well, I got anemail yesterday from the daughter of Gaddafi promising me untold riches for lending her my account details- plus a little bit of candy for spending purposes. Is there anything these scammers won’t use? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1873 "2011-09-07T00:27:46Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Ooooh. Now BBC is reporting the rebels have uncovered secret documents showing collusion between the CIA, MI6 and Libyan intelligence regarding post-9/11 terror suspects. Looks like Tripoli was being used as a rendiiton center for up to 8 suspects as recently as 2002. This will probably be big news. Collusion between Western and Libya intelligence services is hardly surprising. I, howewer, liked the ironical fact that one of the CNT leaders had been handed to Libya, and that friendly thanking and congratulions messages exchanged about this have been uncovered. (Said leader stated it shouldn’t affect reationships between Libya and the UK/USA, but that he intended to drag both governments to court) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1874 "2011-09-07T00:59:51Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > Well, I got anemail yesterday from the daughter of Gaddafi promising me untold riches for lending her my account details- plus a little bit of candy for spending purposes. > > Is there anything these scammers won’t use? Here’s a fairly obvious one I **haven’t** seen yet: 1. I pretend to be Herman Goring’s great-grandkid trying to move some of his loot out of Zurich. 2. You, as an honest citizen, pretend interest and provide me your info, but at the same time alert the authorities – just as I expected. 3. I use this foreknowledge to lure the authorities into a trap, kill them, scavenge their guns and sell them on ebay. 4. Profit! 🙂 OK, 3) needs work. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1875 "2011-09-07T23:21:27Z")
[This time they say they’ve got Gaddafi surrounded for real.](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/201197104730208737.html) For some reason I’m wondering what “Yakety Sax” would sound like Arab-style . . . 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1876 "2011-09-08T03:55:31Z")
Ka-Daffy just released another sound recording. It basically says: “I’m not in Niger, nyah nyah nyah!” ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1877 "2011-09-08T19:51:54Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [This time they say they’ve got Gaddafi surrounded for real.](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/201197104730208737.html) Apparently the NTC consists of mathematicians. They arrange themselves in a circle and then define the larger region to be the inside. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1878 "2011-09-09T18:14:03Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [OK, one more week, but that’s all!](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/201193132125218864.html) [And **now** they go and jump the gun!](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/201199152543592456.html) Rebels just entered Bani Walid, a day ahead of the surrender deadline. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1879 "2011-09-17T19:16:20Z")
[The loyalists in Bani Walid and Sirte are putting up quite a fight!](http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/2011917154358332235.html) I guess there’s nothing more dangerous than a man who can’t win but has nothing left to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595/1880 "2011-09-17T23:16:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I guess there’s nothing more dangerous than a man who can’t win but has nothing left to lose. NATO, in its stated mission to “protect civilians” from Gaddaffi’s forces, but not from the rebel forces, has ensured that feeling. That said, it’s over, this is the finish. It’ll be ugly, and vicious, but it’s about over. I simply hope that the Western governments are happy with what they get, in a “be careful what you wish for” sort of way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595.md?page=93) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/libya-too/571595.md?page=95)