# Lies told by prominant democrats **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 2, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428 "2010-01-02T20:31:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/21 "2010-01-03T03:08:03Z")
“The Republican health care plan is this: ‘Don’t get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly.’” Alan Grayson on Health Care. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/22 "2010-01-03T03:11:17Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Depends how you define it. there is a good argument against it. Foreplay is not sex. sex is what makes people. It was a blow job. A blow job is oral _sex_. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/23 "2010-01-03T03:21:46Z")
Oral sex is just a term. If the requirement is to make babies, then oral sex is foreplay. Butt sex is foreplay. 69 is foreplay because sex is how you make babies. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/24 "2010-01-03T03:38:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > “The Republican health care plan is this: ‘Don’t get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly.’” > > Alan Grayson on Health Care. Again, I am having trouble spotting the lie here. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/25 "2010-01-03T03:40:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Oral sex is just a term. If the requirement is to make babies, then oral sex is foreplay. Butt sex is foreplay. 69 is foreplay because sex is how you make babies. By that logic, gays can never have sex. How about the LBJ admin and all their lies concerning Vietnam? Especially McNamara? I believe he told some real whoppers. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/26 "2010-01-03T03:42:25Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Again, I am having trouble spotting the lie here. Well, technically no republican plan that we are aware of uses that exact language, therefore, it’s a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/27 "2010-01-03T03:46:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > “The Republican health care plan is this: ‘Don’t get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly.’” > > Alan Grayson on Health Care. What’s not true about this? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/28 "2010-01-03T03:52:12Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Well, technically no republican plan that we are aware of uses that exact language, therefore, it’s a lie. Grayson was obviously being facetious in characterizing it as a “plan,” but his point was that the Republicans had no alternative plan at all except to turn a callous deaf ear to the suffering for their own pecuniary self-interest. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/29 "2010-01-03T04:10:58Z")
> [@](#): > > In order to qualify as a lie for the purposes of this thread it needs only to be shown to be contrary to the truth you need not whether they intended to lie or not. > [@](#): > > “The Republican health care plan is this: ‘Don’t get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly.’” > [@](#): > > Well, technically no republican plan that we are aware of uses that exact language, therefore, it’s a lie. Sounds like enough to qualify as untrue to me. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/30 "2010-01-03T04:13:42Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > How about the LBJ admin and all their lies concerning Vietnam? Especially McNamara? I believe he told some real whoppers. Sure got any quotes for us? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/31 "2010-01-03T04:19:11Z")
If you only come in here to try and defend Democratic quotes please move along. You are not really contributing to the thread. After we’ve exhausted our resources trying to find Democratic lies we can go back and laugh and argue about them. Please stop derailing the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/32 "2010-01-03T04:32:36Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Sure got any quotes for us? I would say the [Gulf of Tonkin Incident](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident). The Johnson administration’s claims of a second attack were highly suspect. [Even Johnson and McNamara seemed uncertain of an attack](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident#Distortion_of_Event). It seems it was only used as an excuse to get us into the war. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/33 "2010-01-03T04:41:36Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Sure got any quotes for us? How about the [Gulf of Tonkin](http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261) incident ? Now that’s a WMD grade whopper. > [@](#): > > One of the Navy pilots flying overhead that night was squadron commander James Stockdale, who gained fame later as a POW and then Ross Perot’s vice presidential candidate. “I had the best seat in the house to watch that event,” recalled Stockdale a few years ago, “and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets — there were no PT boats there… There was nothing there but black water and American fire power.” > > In 1965, Lyndon Johnson commented: “For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there.” Yet he and his administration milked the incident for all its worth in order to drum up support for the war. ETA : Damn you, \*\*Guinastasia \*\*! Damn you all to Hell ! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/34 "2010-01-03T04:52:32Z")
Y’know, **boytyperanma** , you could be here a while, waiting for enough to work with. [Here’s something to help you pass the time.](http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html) 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/35 "2010-01-03T05:03:12Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Sounds like enough to qualify as untrue to me. No, because the word “plan” was meant sarcastically, not literally. This quote does not qualify as a “lie,” unless you’re going to qualify _every_ sarcastic statement as a lie. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/36 "2010-01-03T05:16:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > By that logic, gays can never have sex. I certainly know women who did not include in their count of guys who they had “slept with” or “had sex with” those who they had done things short of sexual intercourse with. I am not going to defend this use of the terminology but I think one has to acknowledge the variation in how people use and interpret the terminology. ---
**Author:** ![notsoheavyd3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/85e7bf/32.png) [@notsoheavyd3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notsoheavyd3)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/37 "2010-01-03T05:23:19Z")
Umm, that whole “Shinseki got fired for arguing over troop levels” that I heard from Kerry and Pelosi isn’t actually true. (Shinseki announced his retirement almost a year before that happened.) ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/38 "2010-01-03T05:29:03Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No, because the word “plan” was meant sarcastically, not literally. This quote does not qualify as a “lie,” unless you’re going to qualify _every_ sarcastic statement as a lie. Dio do you have any quotes to add or are you just coming in to derail the thread? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/39 "2010-01-03T05:52:44Z")
Pointing out that hyperbole/mockery/sarcasm is not supposed to be interpreted literally and is not a lie if not 100% literally accurate is a point that most native speakers of English would understand without discussion. If you insist on arguing otherwise, many native English speakers will perforce disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428/40 "2010-01-03T06:06:35Z")
If you wear a condom or use the pill it’s not sex? Shit, still a virgin. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lies-told-by-prominant-democrats/523428.md?page=3)