The Republican health care plan, at least the one I heard McCain talking about, was to remove the tax break that only applies to employer-provided health insurance and instead provide a tax break that applies to all health insurance. This would increase competition and provide a moderate incentive to buy health insurance.
I’ve been trying to think of some good quotes. I’m sure they must exist. But I’m also of the opinion that obvious sarcasm should not be counted as a lie. I wouldn’t count it for Republicans either.
ETA the best I’‘ve been able to come up with is perhaps Maxine Waters’ conspiracy theory about crack cocaine being intentionally planted in black communities by Reagan. I can think of other Democratic lies (Hillary’s “sniper fire,” for instance)," but I’m having a hard time coming up with hardcore lies about Republicans.
This is a good example of a lie, but it was not directed at Republicans - in fact Republicans were not exactly anti-war; the left wing of the Democratic party was where the opposition was.
If Al Sharpton counts as a Democrat, we could probably dig up a bunch. I’m not sure he should count as mainstream enough, though.
He did run as a Democratic candidate so if we have anything relating to that I’d say sure. But I would like to avoid including pundits as representatives of a party.
During the 2008 election, Obama’s campaign ran ads which claimed that McCain would make drastic Medicare cuts. One ad specifically claimed that the McCain plan would mean a 22 percent cut in benefits, higher premiums, higher co-pays, and more expensive prescription drugs. It cited (in a graphic footnote) an October 6th Wall Street Journal article. Then-candidiate Obama also repeated the claim at a campaign speech October 18th.
But the article said nothing like that; it only contained a statement from a McCain spokesman saying all benefits would be maintained. McCain’s plan never included cutting benefits.
The CBS use of forged documents was certainly anti-Republican, since it was intended to coincide with the Democrat’s “Fortunate Son” campaign.
Also accusations that Sarah Palin banned books. CNN claimed that Palin had slashed special education funding, which was also a lie. as well as the lie that she was a member of the Alaska Independence Party. (cite).
A strong majority of Obama voters believed the lie that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
Many other lies, of course - that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, etc.
Of course, no true [del]Scotsman[/del] Democrat ever lies.
Regards,
Shodan
Is CBS affiliated with the Democrats now ? Which office did Dan Rather run for again ?
CNN are spokesmen for the Democrats too ? The plot has officially become thick as a brick.
While the assertion itself is highly debatable (although it certainly might seem that way to people who wouldn’t know a sense of humor if it threw custard pies at them), I still wouldn’t call Tina Fey a prominent Democrat, nor a comedy routine a lie. Besides, Palin *did *say Russia could be seen from the Alaska coast, and did try to sell this fascinating bit of geography trivia as foreign policy experience.
In this case, essentially Yes (cite), as I mentioned.
Regards,
Shodan
It may help if you’d actually come up with a quote from these links. A cursory search doesn’t result in anything in either one that has anything to do with your examples. You don’t really expect other people to go mining to back up *your *assertions, do you?
It looks like you didn’t understand the task here. Let’s review:
Rabid Uncle Joe who hates Republicans with every fiber of his being doesn’t count, 'kay? Nobody is arguing or cares whether Dems have as many uninformed, vitriol-spewing voters as Repubs. This isn’t the thread for that.
My sarcasm meter detects that you don’t believe this. In which case, you shouldn’t have any trouble coming up with a list of examples. Give it a good college try next time.
Hmm. A cite from an “unbiased media watchdog” running articles such as “Obama’s comrades push socialized medicine”, “The secret plan to pass a global tax” and “Obama officials, Dems support global socialism”.
Yup. That’s one reliable and impartial source you’ve got for us, there.
Especially when the article itself is full of hearsay and Glenn Beck-style “isn’t it interesting that…” rumor mongering. Maybe you’ve been deluded into thinking this is what actual journalism sounds like.
At the time, the Republicans did not have a plan. Representative Grayson made his statement in the days following President Obama’s speech on health care reform (where Joe Wilson shouted “you lie”) where legislators on the Republican side of the aisle were waving paper that contained what they said was an alternative health care plan. After the event, Representative Grayson picked up one of the sheafs of paper that was being waved at the President and found it was blank.
As has been mentioned … check your cites. They don’t say what you claim. They appear to actually be two transcripts of the same show. A show that doesn’t actually feature any Ds, unless you intend, as I guess you do, to include all TV personalities/journalists as Ds by way of “liberal media bias”. Do you realize what that does to your credibility? Why should you have to cast such a ridiculously large net to come up with lies by prominent Ds about Rs? I’m sure there are plenty out there after an election year. I’m let down by your lack of effort. And your Russia comment is pure comedy too. The funny part is that you’ll never get the joke.
The transcript has nothing to do with the charge you make about the AIP, but it does include Nicole Wallace being asked about ‘charges made by some advocates’ re: AK childcare spending, and Wallace responds by swearing what a swell lady Sarah is… Great defense. In any case, there are no facts cited, or lies told by Ds.
I did see a number of glaring Palin lies, in actual quotes from her mouth, but those belong in some other thread(s). Thanks though. That was a fun blast from the past:
“NICOLLE WALLACE, SR. ADVISER, MCCAIN CAMPAIGN: Look, maybe when Senator McCain and Governor Palin win we can offer Senator Biden a job in her speech writing office. I thought it was a home run.” 
Really? Than you should have no trouble quoting the Republican who put forth that plan.
I know that it is your thread, but this isn’t the commonly accepted definition of a lie. A “lie” by definition, requires the teller to have knowledge that his statement is untrue.
If I say, “I’ll be at your house at 6pm tonight” and I am in a bloody, mangled car accident on the way to your house, did I lie to you?
Biden in the VP debates in '08:
“…John McCain said as recently as a couple of weeks ago he wouldn’t even sit down with the government of Spain…”
This is pretty nitpicky. McCain said he wouldn’t “commit” to meeting with Spain (and from what I remember, I don’t think it was clear that McCain really knew what he was being asked about, and was giving a blow-off answer at the time). Biden wasn’t a thousand percent semantically accurate, but it wasn’t really that far off.
Oh no, I am not naive enough to think y’all are going to accept anything as evidence. That’s not how things like this get argued.
Regards,
Shodan
Calling that a lie is a much bigger stretch than the statement itself.
McCain said he may or may not meet with Zapatero. When asked for clarification, his foreign policy spokesman said “Senator McCain refused to commit to a White House meeting with President Zapatero in this interview.”
There may be some space between “refused to commit to a White House meeting” and “wouldn’t even sit down,” but it’s a narrow space indeed.
I assume the complete lack of comment on my earlier offering means that there’s no dispute over it.
An October 2008 Obama ad said that John McCain opposed stem cell research. This was not true.
Don’t care. If anyone affiliated with CBS holds a high level elected position or is trying for one I’m interested in adding their quote. Otherwise they can go hang out with Glenn Beck for all I care. If I get around to comparing lies Between the to parties I’m not going to count FOX news as part of the Republican party either.
Quotes from prominent party officials or candidates please.