# Life after death poll! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 2, 2003, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940 "2003-04-02T12:36:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![spione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@spione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spione)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/1 "2003-04-02T12:36:18Z")
Seeing a show on discovery about some scientists that claims to found proof for life after death, im curious how many believes in it on this forum? I myself do, but what about you…? I found a link to the site where they claim the got proof: [http://www.liberfoundation.com/pressroom.htm](http://www.liberfoundation.com/pressroom.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/2 "2003-04-02T12:39:02Z")
This probably shouldn’t be in General Questions. Anyway, my answer is no, I don’t believe in it. Stuff like this comes up over and over again, and not once is it ever proven to be true. Also, the site is flashy rather than informative and doesn’t contain a single shred of actual proof, just assertations. Let me ask you, why do you believe in it? What proof or evidence have you seen that I haven’t? ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/3 "2003-04-02T12:46:41Z")
How odd; the article seems to be missing links to peer review journals. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ccd318/32.png) [@John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Kentzel-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/4 "2003-04-02T13:15:12Z")
General Questions is for questions with factual answers. Religious discussions belong in Great Debates. Off to Great Debates. **DrMatrix** - General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/5 "2003-04-02T13:50:42Z")
I believe in life after death. After all Elanor Roosevelt is dead, but yet there is still life on the planet. Hence, there is life after death. 🙂 Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![zia\_nova](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/bc79bd/32.png) [@zia\_nova](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zia_nova)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/6 "2003-04-02T14:38:42Z")
If you mean heaven and hell or reincarnation type stuff then no. I do believe in a ressurection on earth after armageddon though ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/7 "2003-04-02T14:46:51Z")
What the…? _Energy wavicles?_ How is the radiated energy spectrum of a dying cell (or entire organism) different in any way to its living spectrum? I can understand a _dead_ cell/organism losing infra-red as it gradually cools to room-equilibrium, but specific photons released upon death? Don’t be daft. I believe in life after death as much as I believe in life before birth, which is not at all. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/8 "2003-04-02T21:56:12Z")
The evidence that life continues after death is staggering. NDEs, OBEs, spiritual experiences, all have been around for thousands of years. Every culture in the world has some belief in it, and about 90% of the world population acknowledges it. In the final analysis, it don’t matter what we think, like gravity, it happens whether we believe or not. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/9 "2003-04-02T22:53:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Attrayant \* > \*\*How odd; the article seems to be missing links to peer review journals. > > :rolleyes: \*\* Maybe the wavicles ate them.😉 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/10 "2003-04-02T23:30:56Z")
Certainly not much info in the link. **"energy wavicles with their tiny vibrating entities"** I had to study wavicles in high school but I’ve never heard of the “tiny vibrating entities”. Any one have any cites or info on these? **"photons of light that humans release when they die."** I’ve never heard of these. NE1 have cites for these? **Using a powerful sequence generator subsystem, to record wavicles interaction with death-of-body studies…** Am I the only one who thought it odd that wavicles would interact with studies? What is a “sequence generator subsystem”? Does NE1 have info or a cite? **"we have documented 27 individual cases of life-after-death with the “HELD compressor-camera”. "** The conclusion that what is being recorded by the HELD compressor- camera is evidence of life after because…? Documented just means that there are documents about it. **Our scientists has worked full time on project APE51 since October 1996.** But hasn’t published any of his seven years of remarkable research in peer review journals because…? **"We Believe that our discoveries will change the fate of the earth and redefine the way we perceive life, see life and live life."** Why would one capitalize believe? Here’s a bio on a [**Nicolas Gisin**](http://www.gap-optique.unige.ch/Members/Nicolas/Resume.htm). "After a master in physics and a degree in mathematics, he received his Ph.D. degree in Physics from the University of Geneva in 1981 for his dissertation in quantum and statistical physics. The “Fondation Louis de Broglie” recognised this work with an award. Prof. N. Gisin started two new research directions, one in optical sensors, one in quantum optics. " He seems to be a qualified sort of a person for this sort of thing. However… No mention of Liber Foundation so maybe this is the wrong one. #1 warning sign of bogus science: Is the discoverer pitching the claim directly to the public/media, rather than through peer review or formal thesis? ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/11 "2003-04-02T23:31:16Z")
> [@](#): > > The evidence that life continues after death is staggering. NDEs, OBEs, spiritual experiences, all have been around for thousands of years. NDE’s, OBE’s and any other E’s you may care to list are only personal experiences. They demonstrate that a person has experienced something. They say nothing about what caused the experience. > [@](#): > > 90% of the world population acknowledges [the validity of life after death]. A tired old appeal to popularity. Go back far enough in time and I’m sure you can find a point where damn near 100% of the world population believed the earth was not a spheroid. Didn’t we just do this? ---
**Author:** ![Azael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Azael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azael)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/12 "2003-04-03T00:34:22Z")
_The evidence that life continues after death is staggering._ Oh really? Let’s see… _NDEs, OBEs, spiritual experiences, all have been around for thousands of years._ Argument from Age - Fallacy _Every culture in the world has some belief in it, and about 90% of the world population acknowledges it._ Appeal to widespread belief - Fallacy BS statistic - Fallacy _In the final analysis, it don’t matter what we think, like gravity, it happens whether we believe or not._ Bad Analogy - Fallacy Argument to the Future - Fallacy **lekatt** - Argument by repitition - Fallacy ---
**Author:** ![Optihut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/edb3f5/32.png) [@Optihut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Optihut)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/13 "2003-04-03T10:21:06Z")
Last year I was at the pub with two friends of mine (actually there was another friend of mine present, but since he didn’t offer a new opinion, I am going to omit him from this little story) and we were discussing this matter. One of them believed in life after death and mentioned the experiences people described after being brought back from death’s door. The other one argued in favour of death being the end, since there is no real proof to suggest otherwise. Then they asked me for my opinion and I said something like this: “I don’t know whether there is a life after death or not. I guess I’ll just wait and see and either way it’ll be a surprise.” In my day-to-day life the question of the existance of an afterlife doesn’t affect me, so I stopped thinking about it. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/14 "2003-04-03T11:05:39Z")
Near Death Experiences can be [induced](http://leda.lycaeum.org/Documents/Using_Ketamine_to_Induce_the_Near-Death_Experience.9260.shtml). You may, of course, believe that they are _not_ hallucinations if it makes you happy. (For those who wish to debate **lekatt** , might I suggest keeping to the [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156629) dedicated to it?) ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/15 "2003-04-03T11:31:01Z")
As Attrayant said, where is the scientific review of the evidence? Also I do wonder at the combination of a claim of one of the most important discoveries in the history of the world and this grammar: “Six years ago, Liber foundation scientist Nicolas Gisin who at the time researched in the fields of subatomic particles and electromagnetic spectrums. Found something very interesting.” I can’t resist mentioning that Lekatt’s testimony is that he had an NSE (near sleep experience)… ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/16 "2003-04-03T13:03:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Optihut \* > \*\* > > Then they asked me for my opinion and I said something like this: “I don’t know whether there is a life after death or not. I guess I’ll just wait and see and either way it’ll be a surprise.” > > \*\* Well, no. If you die and it turns out that there is life after death, then sure, you will be surprised. If you die and it turns out that there is _no_ life after death, then you will be nothing, not surprised, not happy, sad, despondant. You will cease to be. My take, I would _like_ to find that there is life after death. Much as I would like to find that there is a benevolent god (though I may have a couple of questions for him/her/it/whatever). However, logic tells me there is no valid reason to believe that either of these things exists. ---
**Author:** ![Optihut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/edb3f5/32.png) [@Optihut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Optihut)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/17 "2003-04-03T14:24:19Z")
> [@](#): > > If you die and it turns out that there is no life after death, then you will be nothing, not surprised, not happy, sad, despondant. You will cease to be. Yeah, I know, but it would have ruined my line, if I had made it any longer 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/18 "2003-04-03T22:18:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Optihut \* > \*\*Yeah, I know, but it would have ruined my line, if I had made it any longer 😉 \*\* Well the line must be protected of course 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kitarak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kitarak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitarak)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/19 "2003-04-04T00:14:28Z")
Mmm… Sortof. I believe with death comes a loss of identity, but still that which is essentially you lives on in the world and people you once knew. I don’t believe in an actual afterlife in which your consciousness continues. In the end, I don’t think it matters much one way or another. What happens, happens. If upon dying I find myself in an afterlife I’ll be pleasantly surprised, if not then I won’t. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940/20 "2003-04-04T00:58:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SentientMeat \* > \*\*Near Death Experiences can be [induced](http://leda.lycaeum.org/Documents/Using_Ketamine_to_Induce_the_Near-Death_Experience.9260.shtml). > > You may, of course, believe that they are _not_ hallucinations if it makes you happy. > > (For those who wish to debate **lekatt** , might I suggest keeping to the [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156629) dedicated to it?) \*\* Yes, they can be induced as in the Pam Reynolds surgery, but this in no way proves they are hallucinations. In fact, since they can be induced by the means Pat’s was should be proof they are not hallucinations. On ketamine: [http://ndeweb.com/FAQz01.htm](http://ndeweb.com/FAQz01.htm) [http://ndeweb.com/FAQz02.htm](http://ndeweb.com/FAQz02.htm) On Pam Reynolds surgery: [http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html](http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-after-death-poll/165940.md?page=2)