# Life in prison without trail is NOT consistent with "human rights standards" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-in-prison-without-trail-is-not-consistent-with-human-rights-standards/282700 "2005-01-02T16:34:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-in-prison-without-trail-is-not-consistent-with-human-rights-standards/282700/1 "2005-01-02T16:34:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Administration officials are preparing long-range plans for indefinitely imprisoning suspected terrorists whom they do not want to set free or turn over to courts in the United States or other countries, according to intelligence, defense and diplomatic officials. > The Pentagon and the CIA have asked the White House to decide on a more permanent approach for potentially lifetime detentions, including for hundreds of people now in military and CIA custody whom **the government does not have enough evidence to charge in courts.** > … > One proposal under review is the transfer … from the military’s Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention center into new U.S.-built prisons in their home countries. The prisons would be operated by those countries, but the State Department, where this idea originated, would ask them to **abide by recognized human rights standards** and would monitor compliance, the senior administration official said. [Long-Term Plan Sought For Terror Suspects](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41475-2005Jan1.html) This is so simple that in ordinary times it would not need to be said, but we’ve a ‘war president’ in the white house who doesn’t understand, or has contempt for, human rights. **Indefinite imprisonment without trial is not consistent with internationally accepted human rights standards.** ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-in-prison-without-trail-is-not-consistent-with-human-rights-standards/282700/2 "2005-01-02T17:03:56Z")
[Yep, it sucks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294772). ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-in-prison-without-trail-is-not-consistent-with-human-rights-standards/282700/3 "2005-01-02T17:05:06Z")
Is there a possibility that a U.S. citizen could get caught up in a Homeland security finagle, be considered a terrorist, and not be given the right to appear in court? Or does this only apply to those of middle eastern origin? (Which is still wrong too.) ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-in-prison-without-trail-is-not-consistent-with-human-rights-standards/282700/4 "2005-01-02T17:14:12Z")
Hell, **Master Wang-Ka** already started a pit thread on this. Mods, please lock this thread up, and throw away the key. You can torture it first, if you want. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-in-prison-without-trail-is-not-consistent-with-human-rights-standards/282700/5 "2005-01-02T17:20:53Z")
Hold up, I demand a recount! I mean, is there an answer to my question? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-in-prison-without-trail-is-not-consistent-with-human-rights-standards/282700/6 "2005-01-02T17:33:40Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > is there an answer to my question? Well, [Zacarias Moussaoui](http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=2645912) case has been going nowhere for a long time. It certainly _looks_ like Bush wants to do an end run around justice for American citizens. Moussaoui does look middle eastern though, so maybe that makes him a _special case_? ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2005, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/life-in-prison-without-trail-is-not-consistent-with-human-rights-standards/282700/7 "2005-01-02T17:43:02Z")
Redundant thread, closed at request of the OP. TVeblen Pit mod