# Light pitting of EastUmpqua (spun off Troll R Us thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991 "2023-03-09T21:52:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/1 "2023-03-09T21:52:02Z")
This very peculiar individual in now engaged in a spirited defense of Ron DeSantis in the “Ron DeSantis is a fascist” thread over in P&E. Claims to have studied atmospheric science. Showed that he knows nothing about it. Now weighing in on DeSantis with equivalent authority. One of our strangest trolls, for sure. [https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections/950518/1187](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections/950518/1187) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/2 "2023-03-09T21:59:20Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > One of our strangest trolls, for sure. I don’t think EU is a strange troll, just a strange poster. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/3 "2023-03-09T22:04:50Z")
No argument from me; he sure seemed to be trolling in the old climate change thread, but that was in the Pit. He’s a bit more restrained in the DeSantis thread. In any case, the key word in “strange troll” is definitely more “strange” than “troll”, with a big splash of “annoying”. 👾 ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/4 "2023-03-10T12:03:50Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I don’t think EU is a strange troll, just a strange poster. And just not that smart. Sort of self-aware about it, with promises to go away and read about something, but frustrating to debate with. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/5 "2023-03-10T18:54:50Z")
Promises to go away for awhile and think about all the evidence and arguments…then comes back later and starts all over again with the same ignorant bullshit as if it was being brought up for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/6 "2023-03-10T18:59:35Z")
Yeah, well, not that smart. They can’t even tell when they directly contradict themself. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/7 "2023-03-10T19:05:20Z")
They can tell…but they don’t give a flying fuck because for the purpose of interrupting the flow of conversation it works almost every damn time. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/8 "2023-03-10T19:37:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Promises to go away for awhile and think about all the evidence and arguments…then comes back later and starts all over again with the same ignorant bullshit as if it was being brought up for the first time. The climate change thread I linked to above is a remarkable display of abject stupidity both on the part of the OP (who currently seems to be on some kind of permanent suspension) and on the part of EastUmpqua trying to defend its brilliance. When I pointed out a few basic indisputable facts about climate science that contradicted this idiocy, EastUmpqua accused me of Googling stuff that I didn’t understand. Which brings me to the thing I just quoted. Is there any difference between a “real” troll and someone who repeatedly acts like a troll? Because that sure was trollish behaviour, and now we’re seeing it in the Elon Musk thread and, arguably, in the Ron DeSantis thread. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/9 "2023-03-10T19:40:05Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Is there any difference between a “real” troll and someone who repeatedly acts like a troll? Not for the purposes of being banned from the SDMB, as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/10 "2023-03-10T20:12:23Z")
I must admit that on a purely personal level this is the sort of thing that makes my blood boil: > [@Climate change is not the immediate threat facing us today](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-is-not-the-immediate-threat-facing-us-today/931737/96): > > > [@Climate change is not the immediate threat facing us today](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-is-not-the-immediate-threat-facing-us-today/931737/95): > > > > On a different level, variations in axial tilt, in combination with other factors like axial precession and orbital variations, lead to complex cyclic interactions called Milankovitch cycles that are hypothesized to be the principal initiating factor for geologically modern ice ages, the roughly 100 Ky ice age cycles within the Quaternary glaciation. > > Nice Wikipedia search. Unfortunately you don’t understand any of it. To be fair, I have a tendency to write somewhat formally when I launch into technical subjects, which may give a moron the impression that it was copied from somewhere. Also to be fair, EU apologized later “for being a dick”. But this kind of accusation really rankles me. My interactions with EU in that thread left a lasting impression. Since then there’s been a recurrence of similar behaviour, followed by similar backing-off. Whether this is trolling, stupidity, or just plain weirdness is unclear. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/11 "2023-03-10T20:17:35Z")
I’d say stupidity and weirdness. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/12 "2023-03-10T20:28:27Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > To be fair, I have a tendency to write somewhat formally when I launch into technical subjects, which may give a moron the impression that it was copied from somewhere. Also to be fair, EU apologized later “for being a dick”. But this kind of accusation really rankles me. My interactions with EU in that thread left a lasting impression. Since then there’s been a recurrence of similar behaviour, followed by similar backing-off. Hey @wolfpup I apologize that I said you chased my buddy @Spaquaman away from SD. I know you and I have had discussions about Canada’s health-care system, especially with respect to Canada’s development of a vaccine. My sister lives in Rossland, BC. The US health-care system isn’t perfect, but neither is Canada’s. I think you’re about the same age as me. Live long and prosper. [Trudeau pitches 10-year health-care deal with $46B in new spending | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-health-care-deal-1.6740143) ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/13 "2023-03-10T20:50:21Z")
The US health care system is an abomination. “Not perfect” my ass. You are either one of the dumbest fucks I’ve ever met, or you’re a troll. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/15 "2023-03-10T21:01:10Z")
> [@Trolls R Us Resurrections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections/950518/4359): > > Do you want me do spin this hijack off to its own pit thread? I’ll happily do so. Use your judgment. I just want to say that I don’t intend to make more than just the one comment below. No one wants this thread to be so hijacked that we need yet a second resurrection! 😉 > [@EastUmpqua](#): > > The US health-care system isn’t perfect, but neither is Canada’s. I have the impression that you’re of a conservative/Republican inclination, though I could be wrong. But the above useless truism seems to confirm that view. Let me put it this way. You might have one person who is a paraplegic and also has terminal lung cancer, and another person with an ingrowing toenail, and you can make the point that “no one’s health is perfect”. It’s just imperfections in different ways, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/16 "2023-03-10T21:06:48Z")
Heh, now you can be said to have dragged him into the pit. Well, kinda… if you ignore context and timelines and all. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/17 "2023-03-10T21:27:56Z")
Nyah, they’re a self-declared “enlightened centrist”. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/18 "2023-03-10T21:29:41Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Heh, now you can be said to have dragged him into the pit. I think by having been dragged in to the pit, you mean letting go of civil discussion, so now you get to say whatever vile shit you want to say about anyone on any topic. But that’s ok in the Pit. The Pit is a troll echo-chamber. Of course I understand this. I hope everyone gets that this is just entertainment. Actual intellectual discussions about topics belong in threads outside the Pit. The Pit is for assholes to agree or disagree with one another. I’m here, so I’m not claiming to be on a high horse 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/19 "2023-03-10T21:34:27Z")
> [@EastUmpqua](#): > > The Pit is for assholes to agree or disagree with one another. I’m here, so I’m not claiming to be on a high horse 🤪 No, you’re dropping out of it’s back end. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/20 "2023-03-10T21:37:13Z")
> [@EastUmpqua](#): > > I think by having been dragged in to the pit, you mean letting go of civil discussion, so now you get to say whatever vile shit you want to say about anyone on any topic. So, when I “dragged” you to the pit, what vile shit did I say about you? > [@EastUmpqua](#): > > The Pit is a troll echo-chamber. Of course I understand this. I hope everyone gets that this is just entertainment. Actual intellectual discussions about topics belong in threads outside the Pit. Plenty of worthwhile conversations are had in the pit. > [@EastUmpqua](#): > > The Pit is for assholes to agree or disagree with one another. This is actually pretty far from the truth. Very, very far, in fact. > [@EastUmpqua](#): > > I’m here, so I’m not claiming to be on a high horse No, you are not. But, you also have no high horse to be on outside the pit either. Like I said, you are either an asshole and kinda stupid, or you are a really big asshole who pretends to be stupid. Either way, it’s pretty rare that you manage a post that contributes to a thread (not saying that there are none, as there have been a couple things you’ve said in science related threads that weren’t pure fuckery) meaningfully and most tend to detract from it as you throw out lots of unsupported and often completely irrelevant claims that other posters have to waste their time to unpack. If you ever learned anything and got better, it would be worthwhile, but it doesn’t seem as though you have any interest in personal growth. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991/21 "2023-03-10T21:38:09Z")
> [@EastUmpqua](#): > > Actual intellectual discussions about topics belong in threads outside the Pit. The Pit is for assholes to agree or disagree with one another. It’s for both. We have some pretty good discussions here at times. It took me years to notice that. Of course, we sometimes call each other fucking assholes in those threads at times, and then there are threads devoted just to griping or flaming someone (on or off the board). But no, sometimes there are really good chats here, believe it or not. Even heartwarming threads where a person rants about how shitty something is and gets sincere support and comfort from the community. The Pit can be goddamn weird. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/light-pitting-of-eastumpqua-spun-off-troll-r-us-thread/980991.md?page=2)