# Like it or not, Israel's fence seems to be working. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 26, 2004, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908 "2004-07-26T07:04:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/21 "2004-07-26T14:27:16Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > In 1988 the Palestinians agreed to settle for the Green Line and let Israel have the other 78% of the pre-1948 land. And it only took them 3 wars and 40 years to do it. Way to go, guys. You’re really on the ball. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/22 "2004-07-26T14:49:47Z")
**Rune** : > [@](#): > > The Israelis didn’t build the fence the Palestinian terrorists did. If they want it gone, they can stop targeting Israeli citizen with suicide bombs. But if they want the Israeli West Bank settlements gone, what can they do? ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/23 "2004-07-26T15:00:38Z")
> [@](#): > > And it only took them 3 wars and 40 years to do it. Well, no, the West Bank and Gaza were occupied in 1967, effectively at the _end_ of the Six Day war. So it was, strictly, **no** wars and **21** years of _occupation_ which led them to realise that 22% of what the generation before them had was all they would ever get. The wall now seeks to remove from this remaining 22% most of the water resources and almost all of the farmland. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/24 "2004-07-26T15:02:28Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > There is no internationally recognised border because there is no _nation_ of Palestine yet. Yes, that’s correct. And never has been one might add. > [@SentientMeat](#): > > In 1988 the Palestinians agreed to settle for the Green Line and let Israel have the other 78% of the pre-1948 land. > “Close to it” only describing a tiny minority of the settlements, of course (and which are _also_ in violation of the UN Charter). Well that certainly depend on what you mean by pre-1948 land. If you mean the British Mandate, Israel consist of less than 20%, the rest belongs to the other Palestinian-Arab country: Jordan. But nothing good ever came from squabbling over such historic details and we could go back to Adam and Eve without it doing anybody anything good. The fact is that the settlements are there, and they’re being targeted by Palestinian terrorists – so they must be protected. I believe more than 80% of the settlements lies very close to the green line, most as suburbs to Jerusalem. And the Palestinians never agreed to settle for the Green Line in any meaningful way, as has been thoroughly attested by numerous polls in Gaza/West Bank, as well as official material produced by the Palestinian authority under Arafat. > [@Alien](#): > > Btw, we discussed this less than a week ago, in a thread Rune ran away from (he was obviously busy in other threads) Ran away 🙂 Well you goddamn bastard you (mods!: that’s a term of endearment) I certainly did no such thing. I had pretty much said everything I had to say without repeating myself. There are people on this board with much more knowledge on this issue than me, and I seriously doubt the Israelis much appreciate my bungling attempts at talking their case, or hitching it for my personal ominous rightwing wagon. Actually I’d expect they wish for nothing so much as if everybody would just keep goddamn mum on Israel for once. If I were living in a country that under such a constant unrelenting world attention, I at least would be thoroughly fed up by now. So I expect I would have run away from this thread too if you hadn’t made it a question of personal honour. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/25 "2004-07-26T15:23:46Z")
> [@](#): > > I believe more than 80% of the settlements lies very close to the green line Well, “very close” is an arbitrary and ambiguous term, but [this map](http://www.btselem.org/Download/Settlements_Map_Eng.jpg) shows settlements (most of them built _after_ 1988) peppering the West Bank like a blue acne. I personally cannot see how peace can come about without _abandoning_ any settlement further than, say, a mile from the Green Line. > [@](#): > > And the Palestinians never agreed to settle for the Green Line in any meaningful way Again, [“meaningful”](http://www.palestinehistory.com/doc02.htm) is an entirely subjective term. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/26 "2004-07-26T15:32:27Z")
It seems that conflict among Palestinians for control is reaching a fever pitch. I do wonder if this has anything to do with the wall preventing them from slaking their thirst for blood on Israelis and thus taking their grievances out on each other. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/27 "2004-07-26T16:26:11Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > Well, no, the West Bank and Gaza were occupied in 1967, effectively at the _end_ of the Six Day war. Please, it wasn’t the Palestinians who had control of the West Bank and Gaza from 1948 to 1967, it was the Jordanians and Egyptians, and even before 1967, the Palestinians weren’t recognizing the '48 borders. They recognize them now, or so they say (even though groups like Hamas still don’t), but if they get their own state within those borders, who knows how long they’ll keep on recognizing Israel’s borders? You’ll have to excuse me for doubting the goodwill or the trustworthiness of the Palestinian leadership. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/28 "2004-07-26T16:47:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Please, it wasn’t the Palestinians who had control of the West Bank and Gaza from 1948 to 1967, it was the Jordanians and Egyptians, and even before 1967, the Palestinians weren’t recognizing the '48 borders. Oh very well, “the people living in those houses and farming that land” who suddenly found themselves turfed _off_ that land and _out_ of those houses at the whim of the occupying power, regardless of the precise sovereign entity which that land and house comprised beforehand. OK? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/29 "2004-07-26T17:18:54Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > Oh very well, “the people living in those houses and farming that land” who suddenly found themselves turfed _off_ that land and _out_ of those houses at the whim of the occupying power, regardless of the precise sovereign entity which that land and house comprised beforehand. OK? Except, again, that happened in 1948, not, for the most part, in 1967. When you’re talking about the Palestinians, you’re dealing with two groups of people. The first group are those who lived, or who’s ancestors lived within Israel’s 1948 borders, and who left Israel to become refugees in the surrounding countries when Israel became independent. That group has always been adamently opposed to Israel’s existance, because it’s existance caused them to lose everything, and while Israel exists, they’re not getting their land back. The second group are those who lived in Gaza or the West Bank before the founding of Israel (and who, afterwards, lived first under Jordanian or Egyptian sovereignty and then under Israeli occupation.) This group didn’t suffer large scale eviction from their homes and farms (although that has happened to some extent, especially near the Green Line). This is the group that’s more likely to be ok with the existance of Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/30 "2004-07-26T18:22:39Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > It’s not really theft; Israel won that territory in a war, in which they were attacked first by the people they won it from (an undisputed historical fact.) Huh? Israel was the first to attack (assuming you’re referring to the June 1967 war). Certainly they were provoked, but they were the first to cross any borders in an organized way. Also, Israel itself signed a document in 1949 that included as one of it’s provisions: > [@UN Charter](#): > > Chapter 1, Article 2 > 3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered. > 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations. I would humbly suggest that taking territory away from a neighboring country and refusing to give it back constitutes a “threat…against the territorial integrity”. To make it clear, I’m not praising Palenstinians or saying that Israel didn’t have compelling reasons for what she did, nor am I praising Israel and condemning Palestinians. Just thought some facts might be in order. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/31 "2004-07-26T18:32:48Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > I want to know the political views of each person here on this thread, just because I am curious. And I want anyone reading this who shares my opinion on Israel to say so now. Because I would love to know if _anyone_ is on my side here, much as I have come to believe such a thing is not possible. Surely someone here must be pro-Israel. Actually, most of the people in this forum are pro-Isreal, based on the proportion of posts in these kinds of threads. I don’t take a stand one way or the other, but I get the feeling that in _your_ mind, that already makes me anti-Israel. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/32 "2004-07-26T18:47:55Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > It’s not really theft; Israel won that territory in a war, in which they were attacked first by the people they won it from (an undisputed historical fact.) Uh, I’m pretty sure that’s not “undisputed”. > [@](#): > > That said, if they really wanted to “steal” land, why would they build a fence to cordon off small areas of Arab populations, many of them towns and cities with people living in them, rather than going in by force, declaring martial law, throwing the Arabs out, forcing them into Syria, Egypt and Jordan, kill anyone who doesn’t want to leave, truck in thousands of armed soldiers to enforce the law, demolish all the Arab buildings and then cart in Jewish settlers to live in the territory? Are you serious? Offhand, I’d say it’s the same reason the U.S. didn’t drop a couple A-bombs on Iraq. Because leaders of powerful countries, unless they are completely insane, will use _measured_ force, not just go ape-shit. Israel is dependent on the Western world for support. Without our support, Israel wouldn’t even _exist_ right now. They’re not gonna go completely bonkers, start mass-murdering Palestinians, and alienate the entire world (At least I _hope_ they wouldn’t do that). Just because Israel hasn’t gone “all out” and completely annihilated the Palestinian people doesn’t automatically mean they can do no wrong, or that there isn’t another side to the issue. > [@](#): > > That’s what usually happens when land is “stolen.” No it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/33 "2004-07-26T19:52:30Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Huh? Israel was the first to attack (assuming you’re referring to the June 1967 war). Certainly they were provoked, but they were the first to cross any borders in an organized way. Except they were blockaded, which is an act of war. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/34 "2004-07-26T20:31:49Z")
OK, as the White Rabbit might say: “I’m late, I’m late!”. Where to start? I’ve tried to cull the main points being discussed here, and I’ll address each as an issue, rather than attempt to reply to individual post or posters: First - the actual OP: **Is it working?**. I’d have to answer an unqualified “yes” on that one - at least psychologically, and on both sides (that is, the Palestinian terrorists _feel_ intimidated by it, whether or not it is crossable). The overall number of terror incidents inside Israel proper (pre-1967) has dropped like a rock since construction of the barrier began in earnest - see [this _maariv_ article](http://maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9565). More importantly, people _feel_ safer, and I dare say this will, eventually, lead to more popular willingness to compormise. **Physical location of the Barrier** I fully agree with those poster who say that the barrier should have been erected **mainly** along the Green Line. Although I think _some_ slippage **had** to be included, just so there are no “facts on the ground” created going the other way (that is - we are not willing to start future negotiations from a point where we have effectively relinquished control of everything. Negotiations 101). **Six-day war - offensive or defensive? Why does this matter?** The 1967 war (“six day war”) was, IMO a fully defensive war - the Egyptians were in violation of previous armistice agreements by blockading the Tiran straights against Israel-bound maritime trafffic, thereby blocking access to the port of Eilat, israel access to Asia (since the Suez canal had already long been off-limits to Israel-bound traffic at the time). That in itself was an act of war, even if it was accomplished without a single shot being shot. This matters because, IIRC, the UN charter specifies that land cannot be held onto **if acquired in an offensive war** (I haven’t the time for cites now - at 11:15 pm here - but I’m sure someone will correct me if I’ve got this wrong) **Measures used by Israel against the Palestinian polpulation** While not a paradise, given the rate of terrorism over the past few years, and the grassroots support for it among the population of the OT’s, the security measures imposed by Israel on the OT are IMHO not excessive. It would be nice to let them live their lives without constant searches and checkpoints, but they - all of them - have to let us live our lives, too. And, as usual, the innocent suffer ☹ Incidentally, the whole point of the barrier is to obviate the need for this constant massive discomfort imposed on the innocent vast majority of the Palestinian population - this alone is a good enough reason for it, IMO. **Status of Palestinian Arabs** There has never been an independent state in Western Palestine. Eastern Palestine was earmarked for Palestinian Arabs but was given to the Bedouin Hashemite family in return for services rendered during WWI. So - no independent Palestine, Ever. What is now Israel + the OT was under Ottoman rule until 1917-1918, then under British Mandate until 1948. In 1948, Israel was formed, its borders determined by war (this time, clearly defensive on the Israeli side). Egypt occupied the Gaza strip and Jordan occupied (and annexed, but few countries recognized this) the West Bank. Jordan formally withdrew it’s claim to the West Bank only quite recently (don’t remember the exact dates, and no time now for searches) So, effectively, the Palestinain population of the OT’s simply passed from one occupation to another in 1967. I might add that the Israeli occupation has been, for most of this period, relatively benign when compared to previous occupying forces. **Proportion of pro-Israel posters on SDMB** Less than I’d like, more than I expected… overall, pretty balanced, with a few posters on either extreme and most in the center. Finally, also per OP’s request **My political views** Although I am nominally an American citizen, no way I’m getting involved in intra-US politics. I don’t vote, either, because I don’t trust myself to put America First when doing so. Politically, I’m considered moderately left-of-center by Israeli standards; economically, slightly right-of-center; in terms of Civil Liberties: Church and State, Gay (and other minority) rights, etc… I’m WAAAY left. Dani P.S. **SentientMeat** - thank you for the positive description… ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/35 "2004-07-26T20:32:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Except they were blockaded, which is an act of war. Right. Let’s not re-obsfucate which side was responsible for stating the 1967 war. But consider this question: To what extent are the _Palestinians_ responsible for the war vs the _Arab states_ that it should be they (and their descendants)who must pay most of the price? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/36 "2004-07-26T21:14:49Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Except they were blockaded, which is an act of war. Again, please note the disclaimer that I wasn’t making judgements. Yes, Israel had casus beli with the declaration of the blockade. However, Israel _attacked_ first. It is also interesting to note that originally the Israeli battle plan did not include the occupation of the Tiran Straits and relief of the blockade. That was expected to be the result of trading the Northern Sinai back to the Egyptians. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/37 "2004-07-26T21:25:28Z")
[QUOTE=Noone Special] OK, as the White Rabbit might say: “I’m late, I’m late!”. Where to start? I’ve tried to cull the main points being discussed here, and I’ll address each as an issue, rather than attempt to reply to individual post or posters: First - the actual OP: **Is it working?**. I’d have to answer an unqualified “yes” on that one - at least psychologically, and on both sides (that is, the Palestinian terrorists _feel_ intimidated by it, whether or not it is crossable). The overall number of terror incidents inside Israel proper (pre-1967) has dropped like a rock since construction of the barrier began in earnest - see [this _maariv_ article](http://maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9565). More importantly, people _feel_ safer, and I dare say this will, eventually, lead to more popular willingness to compormise. **Physical location of the Barrier** I fully agree with those poster who say that the barrier should have been erected **mainly** along the Green Line. Although I think _some_ slippage **had** to be included, just so there are no “facts on the ground” created going the other way (that is - we are not willing to start future negotiations from a point where we have effectively relinquished control of everything. Negotiations 101). \ **Measures used by Israel against the Palestinian polpulation** While not a paradise, given the rate of terrorism over the past few years, and the grassroots support for it among the population of the OT’s, the security measures imposed by Israel on the OT are IMHO not excessive. It would be nice to let them live their lives without constant searches and checkpoints, but they - all of them - have to let us live our lives, too. And, as usual, the innocent suffer ☹ Incidentally, the whole point of the barrier is to obviate the need for this constant massive discomfort imposed on the innocent vast majority of the Palestinian population - this alone is a good enough reason for it, IMO. [QUOTE] Okay, as an Israeli perhaps you can tell us: Is the wall meant to be **permanent?** Or is it there simply to provide necessary conditions for negotiations leading to Palestinian independence, after which the wall might be torn down? Also: Why are there Israeli settlements in the Territories in the first place? And is Israel prepared to evacuate them for the sake of peace? The Palestinians can’t really be independent, can they, if there are foreign enclaves within their territory and they have to allow the presence of foreign troops to protect those enclaves? ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/38 "2004-07-26T21:50:45Z")
> [@Noone Special](#): > > First - the actual OP: **Is it working?**. > I’d have to answer an unqualified “yes” on that one - at least psychologically, and on both sides (that is, the Palestinian terrorists _feel_ intimidated by it, whether or not it is crossable). The overall number of terror incidents inside Israel proper (pre-1967) has dropped like a rock since construction of the barrier began in earnest - see [this _maariv_ article](http://maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9565). To be fair, it may be “working” for Israel, but you can’t say it’s working for Palestine. > [@](#): > > More importantly, people _feel_ safer, and I dare say this will, eventually, lead to more popular willingness to compormise. Hmmm…on what do you base that conclusion? I would think that people who perceive themselves to be in a _stronger_ position would be _less_ willing to compromise, not more. > [@](#): > > **Physical location of the Barrier** > I fully agree with those poster who say that the barrier should have been erected **mainly** along the Green Line. Although I think _some_ slippage **had** to be included, just so there are no “facts on the ground” created going the other way (that is - we are not willing to start future negotiations from a point where we have effectively relinquished control of everything. Negotiations 101). That’s all well and good for Israel, but if you only err towards what favors your own side (and I think even that’s a generous way to put it), surely you can’t be surprised if the other side doesn’t like it? > [@](#): > > This matters because, IIRC, the UN charter specifies that land cannot be held onto **if acquired in an offensive war** (I haven’t the time for cites now - at 11:15 pm here - but I’m sure someone will correct me if I’ve got this wrong) This quibbling over who started it has always puzzled me, since it seems obvious to me as an outsider that _both_ sides are going to have to compromise if there is ever going to be peace. Each side may very well think they are in the right and supported by international law, but how does that get you anywhere? > [@](#): > > Incidentally, the whole point of the barrier is to obviate the need for this constant > massive discomfort imposed on the innocent vast majority of the Palestinian population :dubious: I’ve got news for you - the Palestinians don’t see it that way. > [@](#): > > **Status of Palestinian Arabs** > [snip history] > I might add that the Israeli occupation has been, for most of this period, relatively benign when compared to previous occupying forces. But they don’t agree with your view of history, and since you both want the same land, how does it help to doggedly insist you are in the right? Again, compromise would seem the only solution to the problem, don’t you think? And I _certainly_ don’t think “Things could be worse for them” is a valid argument. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/39 "2004-07-26T23:18:04Z")
I heard a rumor that the next phase of the security fence project is to require palestinians (who work in Israel), to submoit to RFID chips. This makes sense, if Palestinians wish to work in Israel agree to submit to chipping, this lowers the chance that such persons will be willing to stage suicide bomb attacks. Tell me this isn’t true! ---
**Author:** ![Alien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@Alien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alien)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908/40 "2004-07-27T00:33:16Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Ran away 🙂 Well you goddamn bastard you (mods!: that’s a term of endearment) I certainly did no such thing Ha! I knew it. Endearment? You’re a wicked sweettalker 😃 of course I’m only posting this so you won’t say I’m running away [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-it-or-not-israels-fence-seems-to-be-working/256908.md?page=3)