# Liking iOS 11? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 21, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895 "2017-09-21T15:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/21 "2017-09-22T03:47:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The British and Australian accents have been around for years now. Yes, but the voices haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/22 "2017-09-22T03:56:16Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Yes, but the voices haven’t. Yes they have; it’s just improved now. It has nothing to do with the accent, tho, AFAICT ([Cite](https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/ios-11/).): > [@](#): > > Siri improves with each iteration of iOS, and iOS 11 is no exception. Siri has been updated with more realistic male and female voices that are designed to more closely mimic natural human speech. Apple says Siri’s new voice options are powered by deep learning for better pronunciation and a more expressive voice. I use the NZ accent and the new one sounds the same as the old one, but the speech overall is less clipped and mechanical sounding. Ditto for when I switch to one of the other accents. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/23 "2017-09-22T04:08:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Have you tried to look at songs alphabetically on your iPhone since last year? :dubious: OK, I just did. Now what? ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/24 "2017-09-22T05:07:33Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Yes they have; it’s just improved now. It has nothing to do with the accent, tho, AFAICT ([Cite](https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/ios-11/).):I use the NZ accent and the new one sounds the same as the old one, but the speech overall is less clipped and mechanical sounding. Ditto for when I switch to one of the other accents. Hmm, I assumed the English and Australian accents were also new voices like the female American one is. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/25 "2017-09-22T12:47:37Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > OK, I just did. Now what? So you didn’t notice that they aren’t in alphabetical order by song name? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/26 "2017-09-22T12:49:06Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Hmm, I assumed the English and Australian accents were also new voices like the female American one is. It’s not a new voice. It’s an improved voice. They didn’t record someone new. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/27 "2017-09-22T15:06:35Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So you didn’t notice that they aren’t in alphabetical order by song name? Yes they are. Do you have it sorted by Artist? ---
**Author:** ![jrsone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jrsone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrsone)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/28 "2017-09-22T17:11:21Z")
I switched from Android back to IPhone just yesterday. I only had the old iOS for about 2 hours before I updated, but it seems just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Scoobysnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Scoobysnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoobysnax)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/29 "2017-09-22T19:35:40Z")
You can now tap the power button five times if you want to temporarily deactivate touchID. Useful if you are going through customs or get pulled over and don’t want anyone snooping in your phone. ---
**Author:** ![JHBoom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/13edae/32.png) [@JHBoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JHBoom)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/30 "2017-09-22T19:41:16Z")
I’m waiting on 2 things before I update: 1. Being at home. My 'net connectivity is too slow/isn’t reliable enough IMO for me to do a major iOS update over here. 2. 11.0.1 to be released. I’m sure there’s plenty of bugs in 11.0.0; I’ll let others find them, and update once the worst are squashed with a minor point update. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/31 "2017-09-22T19:50:37Z")
> [@JHBoom](#): > > I’m waiting on 2 things before I update: > > 1. Being at home. My 'net connectivity is too slow/isn’t reliable enough IMO for me to do a major iOS update over here. > 2. 11.0.1 to be released. I’m sure there’s plenty of bugs in 11.0.0; I’ll let others find them, and update once the worst are squashed with a minor point update. I was too excited to wait for 11.0.1. I wanted to play with iOS 11. I downloaded/installed while having a few beers at a bar. There are usb outlets along the bar (installed by the owners after I suggested it), so I plugged in. Wifi wasn’t that great, but the download took 55 minutes and the install 15. When the bartender realized what I was up to, she asked me to do her phone also. I got a free beer! ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/32 "2017-09-22T19:56:32Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I was too excited to wait for 11.0.1. I wanted to play with iOS 11. > > I downloaded/installed while having a few beers at a bar. There are usb outlets along the bar (installed by the owners after I suggested it), so I plugged in. Wifi wasn’t that great, but the download took 55 minutes and the install 15. When the bartender realized what I was up to, she asked me to do her phone also. I got a free beer! Every time there is an update I think “I’m going to wait a bit for the kinks to be worked out” but the kinks get worked out by releasing another update and I’m back to the beginning again! ---
**Author:** ![Noelq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noelq/32/16438_2.png) [@Noelq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noelq)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/33 "2017-09-22T19:59:38Z")
No. They completely blew up podcasts. No more sequential playing of shows automatically, no more just going down the list, each one has to be clicked, and it hides podcasts if you don’t show the ALL Shows option. Music is still messed up. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/34 "2017-09-22T21:04:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It’s not a new voice. It’s an improved voice. They didn’t record someone new. “[For iOS 11, we chose a new female voice talent with the goal of improving the naturalness, personality, and expressivity of Siri’s voice](https://machinelearning.apple.com/2017/08/06/siri-voices.html).” > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So you didn’t notice that they aren’t in alphabetical order by song name? My songs are indeed in alphabetical order by song name. In the Songs list in the Music app, you can tap on “Sort” at the top right and choose to sort by “Title” or “Artist.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/35 "2017-09-22T23:45:48Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Yes they are. Do you have it sorted by Artist? :smack: Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! Yes! I never noticed that at the top right before; thanks! No idea how it got set that way, but it seemed to change with the last iOS update. Thanks again! ETA: > [@zbuzz](#): > > My songs are indeed in alphabetical order by song name. In the Songs list in the Music app, you can tap on “Sort” at the top right and choose to sort by “Title” or “Artist.” Thank you as well! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/36 "2017-09-22T23:48:57Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > “[For iOS 11, we chose a new female voice talent with the goal of improving the naturalness, personality, and expressivity of Siri’s voice](https://machinelearning.apple.com/2017/08/06/siri-voices.html).” And thank you for this too. > [@](#): > > For iOS 11, we chose a new female voice talent with the goal of improving the naturalness, personality, and expressivity of Siri’s voice. We evaluated hundreds of candidates before choosing the best one. Then, we recorded over 20 hours of speech and built a new TTS voice using the new deep learning based TTS technology. As a result, the new US English Siri voice sounds better than ever. Ignorance fought; well done. And being able to listen to the voices side-by-side (so to speak) the differences are very noticeable. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/37 "2017-09-23T12:05:49Z")
My gf is not the jealous type, but if she were, she’d be eyeballin you, Siri. ---
**Author:** ![jharvey963](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@jharvey963](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jharvey963)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/38 "2017-09-27T23:23:54Z")
> [@Noelq](#): > > No. They completely blew up podcasts. No more sequential playing of shows automatically, no more just going down the list, each one has to be clicked, and it hides podcasts if you don’t show the ALL Shows option. > > Music is still messed up. God, yes. This absolutely. The Podcasts app is completely unintuitive, and it eliminated playing shows automatically. What idiot would think that making a person physically select the next podcast to play _while someone is driving_ a good design? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/39 "2017-09-27T23:51:26Z")
They released a small patch in the last day or so, which seems to have addressed my issue with switching from portrait to landscape. Still can’t manage apps in iTunes. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895/40 "2017-09-28T00:00:58Z")
I had to actually dial a phone number the other day and while the new appearance threw me for a second, I like the new font and look of the keypad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liking-ios-11/796895.md?page=3)