# Lily Allen turned down incestuous 'Game of Thrones' role **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954 "2014-05-21T19:19:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/1 "2014-05-21T19:19:25Z")
According to [this](http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/05/15/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-thrones-role/?intcmp=obnetwork): > [@](#): > > In the episode entitled “The Night Remembers” from season two, Alfie’s character, Theon Greyjoy rides horseback with a woman named Yara and caresses her both under and on top of her clothes. He later discovers much to his shock that the woman is actually his sister. > > “I felt uncomfortable,” the “Sheezus” singer revealed, “because I would have had to go on a horse and he would have touched me up and sh–. Once they told me what was entailed, I said no thanks.” Theon is played by Lily Allen’s brother Alfie Allen. I certainly understand her decision. On the other hand, she could have said, “Look, it’s maybe a little weird, but this is acting, and people who are not romantically attracted to each other still undertake groping scenes, because the profession demands it.” I started a thread about six years ago about the movie “Kickboxing Academy,” in which Chyler Leigh and Christopher Khayman Lee play paramours, and they kiss romantically. This is the first time since then that I’ve even heard of siblings being considered for roles that involve sexualized contact with each other. Are there others? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/2 "2014-05-21T19:33:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > According to [this](http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/05/15/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-thrones-role/?intcmp=obnetwork): > > Theon is played by Lily Allen’s brother Alfie Allen. > > I certainly understand her decision. On the other hand, she could have said, “Look, it’s maybe a little weird, but this is acting, and people who are not romantically attracted to each other still undertake groping scenes, because the profession demands it.” > > I started a thread about six years ago about the movie “Kickboxing Academy,” in which Chyler Leigh and Christopher Khayman Lee play paramours, and they kiss romantically. > > This is the first time since then that I’ve even heard of siblings being considered for roles that involve sexualized contact with each other. > > Are there others? Jason Bateman and Justine Bateman in “Arrested Development” - in the episode called “Family Ties” [http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/arrested-development-family-tiesexit-strategy-89406](http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/arrested-development-family-tiesexit-strategy-89406) ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/3 "2014-05-21T19:37:45Z")
An actress bothered by a little incestuous groping has no business saying “Game of Thrones” out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/4 "2014-05-21T19:50:35Z")
I saw that news story too. It seems weird. Has Lily Allen ever acted before? Yara so far hasn’t been a huge role, but it’s not a quick cameo either. Just very strange that she’d be offered it, unless it was as a weird joke. > [@Andy\_L](#): > > Jason Bateman and Justine Bateman in “Arrested Development” - in the episode called “Family Ties” [http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/arrested-development-family-tiesexit-strategy-89406](http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/arrested-development-family-tiesexit-strategy-89406) Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Justin and Justine ever kissed or groped each other in that episode. There was some flirting that was weird since the two actors are related, and since Justin’s character thought that Justine’s character was related to him. > [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > An actress bothered by a little incestuous groping has no business saying “Game of Thrones” out loud. There’s a big difference between two unrelated actors who are playing characters who are siblings in an incestuous relationship, and two actual siblings playing characters who are siblings in an incestuous relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/5 "2014-05-21T20:03:02Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I saw that news story too. It seems weird. Has Lily Allen ever acted before? [Three very minor roles](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0020770/#actress). Very minor. I don’t watch GoT but this sounds almost like stunt casting for the real life familial relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/6 "2014-05-21T20:08:18Z")
I remember reading somewhere that some director wanted Michael and Virginia Madsen to play a sex scene together. Not sure if the director knew they were siblings, but the suggestion didn’t go over well. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/7 "2014-05-21T20:11:16Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > There’s a big difference between two unrelated actors who are playing characters who are siblings in an incestuous relationship, and two actual siblings playing characters who are siblings in an incestuous relationship. There is? Actor + actor = acting. Since gay actors play straight love roles and vice versa, and it’s all acting, a familial relationship between the actors shouldn’t matter at all. Then again, Michael Madsen refuses to see any films in which his sister appears naked (which is all but about two of them). So _shrug_. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/8 "2014-05-21T20:16:04Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > There is? If you’re a human being, sure. Some actors are. I do really wish we could see what Lily Allen’s face looked like when she found out what happens between Theon and Yara in that scene. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/9 "2014-05-21T20:18:02Z")
Just a bit farther afield and quite harmless, but in the movie **Fierce Creatures** , John Cleese keeps getting caught in innocent, but sexual-appearing compromising positions with two young zookeepers. One of them is played by his daughter Cynthia Cleese. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/10 "2014-05-21T20:29:29Z")
She certainly doesn’t have a problem with nudity as any cursory Google search will tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/11 "2014-05-21T20:42:01Z")
Didn’t Angelina Jolie and her brother do a kissing scene together? …oh, wait, that wasn’t acting. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/12 "2014-05-21T20:59:44Z")
Shirley MacLaine famously said of her brother Warren Beatty, “I’d like to do a love scene with him just to see what all the yelling is about”. But I don’t think it ever actually happened. A Yahoo! Answers respondent, for what that’s worth, [claimed](https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100411115320AAR7URq) that “[t]he dwarf husband and wife characters in Todd Browning’s ‘Freaks’ were played by brother and sister.” ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/13 "2014-05-21T21:10:23Z")
Serge Gainsbourg made a film called _Charlotte For Ever_ featuring his daughter, Charlotte Gainsbourg. The film contains some nudity from Charlotte, who was around 15 at the time, including at least one scene with Serge. I don’t think it’s a sexual scene, but there is some physical contact, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/14 "2014-05-21T21:13:08Z")
I don’t see how this would’ve worked. The part is too small, Lily Allen already has a career. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/15 "2014-05-21T21:19:46Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t see how this would’ve worked. The part is too small, Lily Allen already has a career. I’m pretty sure there is no clause in the contracts of the actors in GOT, that prevent them from acting, hosting, singing, etc. in other pursuits. Otherwise, many of them would be in violation of their contracts. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/16 "2014-05-21T21:21:25Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Shirley MacLaine famously said of her brother Warren Beatty, “I’d like to do a love scene with him just to see what all the yelling is about”. But I don’t think it ever actually happened. > > A Yahoo! Answers respondent, for what that’s worth, [claimed](https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100411115320AAR7URq) that “[t]he dwarf husband and wife characters in Todd Browning’s ‘Freaks’ were played by brother and sister.” There is a line about this in IMDB’s trivia page on that movie: > **[Freaks (1932) - Trivia - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0022913/trivia/?item=tr0654234)** > > Freaks (1932) - The on-screen romance between Hans and Frieda was very subdued because the roles were being played by real life brother and sister Harry Earles and Daisy Earles. ---
**Author:** ![tellyworth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@tellyworth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tellyworth)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/17 "2014-05-21T21:21:28Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The part is too small I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/18 "2014-05-21T21:23:41Z")
Oh and if she did get in the show, it would be an opportunity for her to show off her superfluous third nipple. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/19 "2014-05-21T22:14:39Z")
Is there another kind of third nipple? ---
**Author:** ![priapus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@priapus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/priapus)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/20 "2014-05-21T22:48:15Z")
I remember Jane and Peter Fonda played lovers in “the Spirits Of the Dead”. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954.md?page=2)