# Lily Allen turned down incestuous 'Game of Thrones' role **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 21, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954 "2014-05-21T19:19:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/21 "2014-05-21T23:03:11Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Justin and Justine ever kissed or groped each other in that episode. There was some flirting that was weird since the two actors are related, and since Justin’s character thought that Justine’s character was related to him. You’re right. Justin’s character (Michael) thought that Justine’s character (Nellie) was his long lost sister, a management consultant. She was in fact, not his sister, and actually a prostitute, so there was some very awkward byplay as he tried to hire her to work for his company in a business capacity, while she thought she was being hired for her usual work, but there was only limited physical contact between them (still you can see why I thought of it). ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/22 "2014-05-21T23:23:57Z")
Interestingly, she did a [song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w2TeZw7FKQ) many years ago about her brother Theon. Assuming he was anything like he’s described in the lyrics, it looks like he’s changed his ways! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/23 "2014-05-21T23:33:07Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I don’t think Justin and Justine > [@Andy\_L](#): > > Justin’s character (Michael) Jason, not Justin. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/24 "2014-05-22T00:12:10Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I remember reading somewhere that some director wanted Michael and Virginia Madsen to play a sex scene together. Not sure if the director knew they were siblings, but the suggestion didn’t go over well. I remember reading this somewhere as well. Michael Madsen was pretty disgusted, and I don’t blame him. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/25 "2014-05-22T00:43:36Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Jason, not Justin. Doh! ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/26 "2014-05-22T00:52:45Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > [snip] > Then again, Michael Madsen refuses to see any films in which his sister appears naked (which is all but about two of them).[/snip] I kind of get his point and I don’t blame him, but he doesn’t know what he’s missing 😃 ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/27 "2014-05-22T07:51:30Z")
Not a movie but I just finished watching the SNL skit where Donnie and Marie Osmond make out. Seems to me like they went a little too overboard just for a dumb joke. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/28 "2014-05-22T08:46:26Z")
Now I’m curious to know whether they tried to get Keith Allen to play Theon’s father. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/29 "2014-05-22T09:49:13Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > An actress bothered by a little incestuous groping has no business saying “Game of Thrones” out loud. > [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > There is? > > Actor + actor = acting. Lily Allen is not really an actress so I’m not sure why you are using this logic. An actress might be expected to play the role whatever, but a singer who gets offered a small cameo for shits and giggles won’t exactly have the actress mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/30 "2014-05-22T09:58:17Z")
She might have some regrets if she actually saw the scene. My recollection is Theon’s holding her abdomen, then he begins to slide his hands up, but she stops him long before he goes hill-walking. No grope, let alone “incestuous relationship”. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/31 "2014-05-22T12:16:36Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > She might have some regrets if she actually saw the scene. My recollection is Theon’s holding her abdomen, then he begins to slide his hands up, but she stops him long before he goes hill-walking. > > No grope, let alone “incestuous relationship”. I’m pretty sure his hand went kinda way down her abdomen. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/32 "2014-05-22T20:58:55Z")
She let him grope for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/33 "2014-05-22T21:00:48Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Actor + actor = acting. Since gay actors play straight love roles and vice versa, and it’s all acting, a familial relationship between the actors shouldn’t matter at all. Say what now? ---
**Author:** ![gallows\_fodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/34 "2014-05-22T21:31:27Z")
Uh, I’d say there was a major fucking difference between taking it in stride as an actor that you have to kiss people you’re not personally attracted to, and having to kiss people you’re not personally attracted to BECAUSE THEY’RE YOUR SIBLING. Most non-fucked up people are going to have some sort of biological horror instinct kick in at that suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/35 "2014-05-23T04:47:50Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > Interestingly, she did a [song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w2TeZw7FKQ) many years ago about her brother Theon. Assuming he was anything like he’s described in the lyrics, it looks like he’s changed his ways! Alfie, not Theon. I’m reasonably sure Theon isn’t really her brother. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/36 "2014-05-23T05:49:27Z")
I’ll have to watch the scene again, but my recollection is nothing actually happened. The characters are siblings (unbeknownst to Theon at the time), so she stops his hands before they go anywhere. And there is no kiss or anything like that. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/37 "2014-05-23T09:35:54Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I’ll have to watch the scene again, but my recollection is nothing actually happened. The characters are siblings (unbeknownst to Theon at the time), so she stops his hands before they go anywhere. And there is no kiss or anything like that. She lets him grope for a while. [Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=127eyT21iTc) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/38 "2014-05-23T10:04:58Z")
Here’s a better (less creepy) youtube link, [starting at 2:17](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXGPgNp719k&t=2m17s). ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/39 "2014-05-23T11:33:25Z")
> [@gallows\_fodder](#): > > Uh, I’d say there was a major fucking difference between taking it in stride as an actor that you have to kiss people you’re not personally attracted to, and having to kiss people you’re not personally attracted to BECAUSE THEY’RE YOUR SIBLING. Most non-fucked up people are going to have some sort of biological horror instinct kick in at that suggestion. Yeah. It would be totally and utterly weird to do that with your sibling. It’s not like pretending to get felt up by your pretend brother; it’s really getting felt up by your real brother. I started out typing up analogies, but I don’t think there are any. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2014, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954/40 "2014-05-23T11:44:43Z")
> [@gallows\_fodder](#): > > Uh, I’d say there was a major fucking difference between taking it in stride as an actor that you have to kiss people you’re not personally attracted to, and having to kiss people you’re not personally attracted to BECAUSE THEY’RE YOUR SIBLING. Most non-fucked up people are going to have some sort of biological horror instinct kick in at that suggestion. Ok good. I was starting to get worried at the lack of outrage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lily-allen-turned-down-incestuous-game-of-thrones-role/688954.md?page=3)