# Limbaugh: "Hitler, Lenin, Stalin were all men of the left" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972 "2009-08-10T20:19:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/61 "2009-08-11T02:40:57Z")
Well since the Godwin cat is out of the bag. You know who preached a destructive evil and wrong ideology that dd nothing but cause harm and bring shame to their countries? Hitler and Rush. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/62 "2009-08-11T02:42:23Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > When she said they were carrying swastikas she clearly was referring to them as Nazis. You know that. Otherwise she would have said “They refer to our leader as a Nazi.” Clearly? Did you say clearly? Illogical and unreasonable. If I say some person is carrying a basket of fruit, and he actually is, that doesn’t mean I called him gay, or a banana. The question was about astroturf. Are the protests sincere or manufactured? She points out that protesters are carrying swastikas to indicate they’re manufactured. She may be wrong about that but she did not call them Nazis by any reasonable interpretation of the english language. This is the kind of dishonest crap that really hurts an honest discussion about a serious issue. > [@](#): > > Also there were not posters but poster, at least as of this afternoon I had only seen one photo of a protester with a sign suggesting that Obama is a Nazi. How many of those did you see referring to POTUS from January, 2001 to January , 2009? And what about the term “Bushitler?” How often did you hear that? Or say it yourself? And how often did Pelosi complain about it? > > I think Rush slam dunked her on this one. I didn’t see the point in comparing Bush to Hitler. There were enough realistic criticisms about his horror show of a presidency without hyperbole. People that carry swastikas to health care discussions are unfortunate idiots who have let their emotion overtake their brain. It’s entirely possible a good portion of the protests are manufactured but I think it’s pretty clear that many good citizens have real concerns that need to be addressed. Pelosi and Ried need to shut their pieholes about astroturf. That doesn’t change the fact that she did not refer to protesters as Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Jerseyman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@Jerseyman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jerseyman)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/63 "2009-08-11T02:44:01Z")
It just shows how inadequate the whole left-right linear reduction is. Using it, you can equate Gandhi and Mandela and Jesus with Hitler and Stalin and Mao. Left means caring about other people before yourself, right means belief in domination through power or birth or money. It is perfectly possible (though unlikely today!) to believe in being born to a superior class or race that obliges you to care for and protect your ‘inferiors’ (_Noblesse oblige_). It is even more possible (because some of the worst people I’ve met were it) to quote that _We are all born equal_ so because ‘I’ have made myself what ‘I’ call 'superior (by cheating and lying and fixing money games and only money matters), ‘I’ have proven myself to be a ‘superior person’. There are two axes (at least). One is between selfishness (Idividualistic) and view of self as only part of the generality all with equal freedoms (Communal) and the other is between Imposing Order (Authoritarian) and working together by common consent (Liberal). Then again, Rightist politics usually imposes strict control over personal relationships while allowing freedom to exploit and enslave economically, while Left controls economics to allow emotional and sexual freedom. So maybe it is not just the 2-D that some tests make it, but more 3-D. Historically, governments have been Authoritarian, Individualistic and socially determinative. That led to the very bad mistake that wrecked Hippy and Feminist freedom, assuming that opposing any one of those opposed the others too. Individualistic Hippies are the parents of the Reagon _Me and look at my money_ generation and grandparents of this this _do what I freaking want unless you stop me_ generation - yet so much like the old Wild West. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/64 "2009-08-11T02:46:48Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > And what about the term “Bushitler?” How often did you hear that? Or say it yourself? And how often did Pelosi complain about it? This is the very first time I’ve ever seen or heard that word. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/65 "2009-08-11T02:47:55Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Well since the Godwin cat is out of the bag. You know who preached a destructive evil and wrong ideology that dd nothing but cause harm and bring shame to their countries? > > Hitler and Rush. You missed the, now getting close to appropriate, classic joke: Q: What’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg? A: One’s a flaming Nazi gasbag, the other is a dirigible. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/66 "2009-08-11T02:49:39Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > ^^ > > John Leo of the Manhattan Institute elaborates: > > [Nancy's Nazi Shock: Did She Forget the Bush Years? | RealClearPolitics](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/08/nancys_nazi_shock_did_she_forget_the_bush_years_97812.html) So the author doesn’t see any difference between protesting an ongoing war that had killed thousands and protesting a health care proposal? I think the Hitler reference is inappropriate in either case but even more ludicrous in a health care debate. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/67 "2009-08-11T02:53:37Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > > [@Plan B](#): > > > > And what about the term “Bushitler?” How often did you hear that? Or say it yourself? And how often did Pelosi complain about it? > > This is the very first time I’ve ever seen or heard that word. Ditto. It’s sad how **Plan B** will grasp at absolutely anything to bash Democrats, and if facts are somehow involved, tangentially at best, that is merely a bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/68 "2009-08-11T02:57:15Z")
Can we say with some assurance that Hitler _didn’t_ get a blowjob? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/69 "2009-08-11T03:00:00Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > [Factcheck.org](http://Factcheck.org): > > [Nazi Symbols at Town Halls: The Real Story](http://factcheck.org/2009/08/nazi-symbols-at-town-halls-the-real-story/) > (emphasis added) > > CNN video on the site. Wait! You can’t possibly be saying that Rush is indeed a big fat idiot. Or is he just full of crap as always? What’s disappointing is how many sites I found that echoed his dishonesty and how many commenter’s were willing to accept it and believe it. {sigh} Personally I don’t give a flying fuck about whether historical bad guys were more left than right. It’s entirely irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/70 "2009-08-11T03:01:04Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Can we say with some assurance that Hitler _didn’t_ get a blowjob? Himmler did something similar. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/71 "2009-08-11T03:06:43Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Personally I don’t give a flying fuck about whether historical bad guys were more left than right. You should. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/72 "2009-08-11T03:12:06Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > You should. Why? Is there something inherent to current or past formulations of right- or left-wing policy and political preferences that makes it more or less subject to sliding away from ideals and into darkness? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/73 "2009-08-11T03:14:09Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Wait! You can’t possibly be saying that Rush is indeed a big fat idiot. Or is he just full of crap as always? > > What’s disappointing is how many sites I found that echoed his dishonesty and how many commenter’s were willing to accept it and believe it. {sigh} > > Personally I don’t give a flying fuck about whether historical bad guys were more left than right. It’s entirely irrelevant. Well, not quite. I have to tell you that I was born in Central America. Military men that are in cahoots with rich elites are still plotting takeovers in Latin America, and recently in Honduras they are trying to stop all the progress gained in the last 20 years. Sure, they put a civilian in charge after the coup, but almost no one was fooled. The military is calling the shots. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/74 "2009-08-11T03:19:04Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > okay I looked it up and wasn’t surprised to find it was bullshit. Unless you’d care to show otherwise, Pelosi and Ried **did not** compare town hall protesters to Nazis. Otherwise perhaps you’d be interested in retracting that falsehood. Not really. He played the soundbites. I heard it with my own ears. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/75 "2009-08-11T03:21:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, not quite. > > I have to tell you that I was born in Central America. Military men that are in cahoots with rich elites are still plotting takeovers in Latin America, and recently in Honduras they are trying to stop all the progress gained in the last 20 years. Sure, they put a civilian in charge after the coup, but almost no one was fooled. The military is calling the shots. [hijack] Zelaya was kicked out of office by the Supreme Court and Congress. He was kicked out of the country by the military by orders of the civilian authorities. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/76 "2009-08-11T03:22:28Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Not really. He played the soundbites. I heard it with my own ears. Oh, well, if you heard the soundbites that settles everything. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/77 "2009-08-11T03:27:53Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Not really. He played the soundbites. I heard it with my own ears. Looking at YouTube; so far, even on the the videos\*\* from right wingers\*\* that claim that Pelosi said that, shows her just saying “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.” I’m still waiting for the cite. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/78 "2009-08-11T03:29:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yes, really, as virtually all European nations have it now, it was not a very controversial topic. “All parties ran in those days promising universal health care” Becomes “vitrually all.” Becomes “virtually all European nations have it now.” Could you backpedal any faster? Deliberate misrepresentation and exaggerations detract from your arguments, and cement the skeptical cynicism with which I regard your subsequent assertions. Like I said, I laugh at that bullshit. > [@](#): > > Here is the reality, you are in favor of keeping a good chunk of the American workers under the fear of bankruptcy, to limit their freedoms to seek or start a job or a company and to put limitations on foreign companies or start ups on setting shop in the USA. No. You have not really established that. It does not follow from my assertion that I do not think it wise to give the government the degree of control and interest in our day to day lives that socialized healthcare gives it. What you **have** established though is a pattern of posting half-truths and misrepresentations. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11353708&postcount=458](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11353708&postcount=458) ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/79 "2009-08-11T03:30:02Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Oh, well, if you heard the soundbites that settles everything. Yep. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972/80 "2009-08-11T03:34:34Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > [hijack] Zelaya was kicked out of office by the Supreme Court and Congress. He was kicked out of the country by the military by orders of the civilian authorities. [/hijack] Nope, you have to explain then why a resignation paper was produced. Who ordered that paper when the military had only orders to arrest him? Why was a paper that with all logic was false or obtained at gun point used to then to appoint Micheletti? Finally, even today all international groups and countries do not recognize the coup plotters as the rulers of Honduras. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-hitler-lenin-stalin-were-all-men-of-the-left/505972.md?page=5)