# Limbaugh not racist at all, no sirree bob. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 1, 2003, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922 "2003-10-01T14:03:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/41 "2003-10-02T00:23:36Z")
Cuahtemoc: If the quote doesn’t justify an accusation of racism by your own reckoning, than by definition your accusation is a knowingly false one. Not to get all moralistic, but false accusation aren’t very nice. They tend to make the person making them the bad guy. Whatever you personally think or feel about somebody, no matter how bad you think they are, that doesn’t justify a false accusation. Now say you’re sorry or no cartoons for you for the rest of the week. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/42 "2003-10-02T00:24:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > **That this comment makes Rush a racist is clearly spurious and false.** The comment doesn’t make him a racist. He was already a racist. And if I thought he was a racist before this, it’s not really a stretch for me to attribute the comment to said pre-existing racism, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/43 "2003-10-02T00:30:01Z")
Since you’ve only **this** comment as justification for your charge of racism, and you agree that it doesn’t meet the criteria, you therefore must have some other compelling reason to suggest he’s a racist. Could you share it?: ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/44 "2003-10-02T00:33:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \* > \*\*A second hand cite: If he’s wrong take it up with him: > > [Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun-Times](http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep01.html) > > Or rather, if he’s wrong, I’ll make the same argument without those particular quotes. \*\* Where does Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun-Times reference “those particular quotes”? I sure don’t see them anywhere in that article. Do you mind if I take it up with you, rather than passing the buck to the esteemed Mr. Roeper, if you are indeed the liar that you appear to be? ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/45 "2003-10-02T00:40:20Z")
[This](http://www.fair.org/articles/limbaugh-color.html) took me less than one minute to find. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/46 "2003-10-02T00:41:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Doghouse Reilly \* > \*\*Where does Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun-Times reference “those particular quotes”? I sure don’t see them anywhere in that article. > > Do you mind if I take it up with you, rather than passing the buck to the esteemed Mr. Roeper, if you are indeed the liar that you appear to be? \*\* From the linked article: > [@](#): > > Limbaugh said McNabb got too much credit when the Eagles’ defense was winning games for the team–but given that the defense isn’t exactly all-white, that backpedal makes no sense. What Limbaugh should have done was apologize–not that we should expect remorse from a **guy who has said of blacks, “They’re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?” and who once told a black caller to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back."** (emphasis added). One question: Does it hurt? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/47 "2003-10-02T00:42:17Z")
Dipshit. I can’t read the article for you. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/48 "2003-10-02T00:42:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Doghouse Reilly \* > \*\*Where does Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun-Times reference “those particular quotes”? I sure don’t see them anywhere in that article. > > Do you mind if I take it up with you, rather than passing the buck to the esteemed Mr. Roeper, if you are indeed the liar that you appear to be? \*\* Funny, I searched through the article the first time (keywords: “bone”, “hell”) and didn’t see those quotes. All the same, I’ve listened to Rush off and on for several years and do not believe he would ever speak to a caller that way. You might as well make some slur against the Jews and then say to take it up with the Jack Chick tract you got it from. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/49 "2003-10-02T00:51:36Z")
Horseshit. They are quotes attributed to Rush Limbaugh. Deal with it, Dittohead. ---
**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/50 "2003-10-02T01:32:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ellis Dee \* > \*\*One quote from the linked article:That’s ridiculous. The Eagles won the NFC East last year _without_ McNabb. > > McNabb is overrated, without a doubt. I’d say mostly it’s because he’s a mobile QB, which is the flavor of the moment in the NFL. (Why is Michael Vick the “most exciting player in football”, when Barry Sanders got no such love?)No, the point Rush was trying to make (I think) is that if McNabb were white, he wouldn’t be so hyped up. He’d be like, hmmm, can I think of an example…ummm…Kerry Collins?3000 yards is **not** a good season. (187.5 yards per game?! Puh-lease.) It is **definitely not** pro-bowl caliber. Kerry Collins should have made it. But he doesn’t run around, so no love. At least, that’s my theory. Plenty of white boys get the love at QB, as pointed out by several posters. But the pocket passers have to have those gaudy west-coast-offense-inflated passer ratings to get in. No love for the traditional pocket passers. (Except Bledsoe…why he made it over McNair is inconceivable from any perspective…he’s black, he’s mobile, he wins, he’s tough…wtf?) > > As for defense not affecting passing yards, ask any of Tampa Bay’s opponents if that holds water. \*\* You’re right- I shouldn’t have said “defense doesn’t affect passing yards”. Defense affects time of possession, which in turn will affect how much the offense/QB has the ball. But 3,000 yards is a decent season, especially when you add his rushing yards. Not to get into a Collins/McNabb debate, but although Collins did have 4K+ yards he also threw almost as many INTs as TDs. But all these stats are fairly meaningless to the debate at hand. Look at Tony Banks- he’s currently got a 104+ QB rating **and** a Super Bowl ring and is on a .500 team but no one would argue that he’s a great QB. Why do Farvre and McNabb get lots of positive press while Kerry Collins doesn’t? Because they’re a heck of a lot more exciting than Collins is. You can make an argument that McNabb is overrated (I disagree), but to claim that he gets positive press because he’s black and not because he’s an exciting player just shows that Limbaugh knows as much about football as he does about any of the other topics he spouts off on. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/51 "2003-10-02T01:45:40Z")
Cuatemhoc: FAIR is simply not credible. Many who despise Rush will concede that FAIR is nothing more than a witchhunt. ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/52 "2003-10-02T02:11:30Z")
The “12%, who cares” and “bone in your nose” quotes can be accurately attributed to our friend Michael Savage, not Limbaugh. Apropos of nothing in particular, Matt Drudge is reporting that Limbaugh is set to be exposed as a pill-popping junkie. Painkillers. ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/53 "2003-10-02T02:21:21Z")
Retraction: Further research sees those quotes attributed to both Limbaugh and Savage. One of them said it. _shrug_ Those crazy conservatives. I am looking forward to the drug allegations tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/54 "2003-10-02T02:22:54Z")
[hijack] > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ellis Dee \* > One quote from the linked article:That’s ridiculous. The Eagles won the NFC East last year _without_ McNabb. They were 7-3 when he got hurt. It’s not like he only played three games, he only **missed** three. > [@](#): > > McNabb is overrated, without a doubt. I’d say mostly it’s because he’s a mobile QB, which is the flavor of the moment in the NFL. (Why is Michael Vick the “most exciting player in football”, when Barry Sanders got no such love?) Barry Sanders got no such love? Maybe not in Green Bay or something, but from where I was sitting, he got exactly that respect. By the way, who’s more exciting than Vick? > [@](#): > > He’d be like, hmmm, can I think of an example…ummm…Kerry Collins?3000 yards is **not** a good season. (187.5 yards per game?! Puh-lease.) It is **definitely not** pro-bowl caliber. First of all, McNabb’s last three seasons he has averaged 211 yards a game, not the 187.5 number that you got from the 3000 estimate. Second, when you factor in the 500 or 600 rushing yards McNabb is good for, and the 2-to-1 TD-to-Int ratio, you’re damn right he’s a Pro Bowler. Incidentally, the only year your boy Kerry Collins made the Pro Bowl, he passed for 189 yards a game. So what you obviously meant to say was that if only McNabb _couldn’t_ run whatsoever, and threw as many interceptions as he did touchdowns, he’d be like, hmmm, Kerry Collins? I’m not attacking you, but since I’ll never get to explain to Rush why McNabb isn’t overrated, I figured where better than here? McNabb isn’t Joe Montana, he’s not Elway, and he’s not Steve Young, and I’m not trying to pretend he is. But it’s really infuriating to hear that fat blowhard use my beloved, struggling Eagles to whip up another batch of national trollery, right on top of an 0-2 start, calling McNabb, essentially, a token black man being propped up by the bleeding hearts. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/55 "2003-10-02T02:47:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RTA \* > \*\*Retraction: Further research sees those quotes attributed to both Limbaugh and Savage. One of them said it. > \*\* I’m not seeing that as a particularly compelling standard of evidence from which to charge racism. ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/56 "2003-10-02T02:58:49Z")
And I’m not sure what you mean by that, except to imply that I am saying that Limbaugh is a racist, which I have not said. I do know that if I told some black guy to take the bone out of his nose I would be called a racist in a Jimmy the Greek minute. Personally, I think his remark says way more about his agenda to discredit the media as being “liberal” than what he may or may not think about black people. But who cares. Have you heard that Limbaugh’s a druggie? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/57 "2003-10-02T03:11:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RTA \* > \*\*And I’m not sure what you mean by that, except to imply that I am saying that Limbaugh is a racist, which I have not said. I do know that if I told some black guy to take the bone out of his nose I would be called a racist in a Jimmy the Greek minute. \*\* My apologies. I didn’t mean to imply that. Cuatemnhoc is using this as proof that Limbaugh’s a racist. Since we don’t actually know who supposedly said it, it’s not very compelling. > [@](#): > > Personally, I think his remark says way more about his agenda to discredit the media as being “liberal” than what he may or may not think about black people. Yup. I agree. > [@](#): > > But who cares. Have you heard that Limbaugh’s a druggie? \*\* Just in this thread so far. I wonder if it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/58 "2003-10-02T04:16:04Z")
[Limbaugh Resigns](http://msn.espn.go.com/gen/news/2003/1001/1628537.html) ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/59 "2003-10-02T04:28:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > **My apologies. I didn’t mean to imply that. Cuatemnhoc is using this as proof that Limbaugh’s a racist. Since we don’t actually know who supposedly said it, it’s not very compelling.** [The Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28772-2003Oct1.html) [The San Jose Mercury News](http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/6896607.htm) [BET](http://www.bet.com/articles/0,,c1gb7564-8390,00.html) [Chicago Sun Times](http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep01.html) [Amsterdam News](http://www.amsterdamnews.org/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=3002&sID=3) [The Sacramento Observer](http://www.sacobserver.com/sports/commentary/090403/rush_limbaugh_espn.shtml) Need more? Franken’s book should have been titled “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat **Racist** Idiot” ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922/60 "2003-10-02T04:32:39Z")
I admit that I haven’t read all of the posts in this thread but I am from Philly and I’m a big Eagles fan. I can’t wait to see the reception Rush gets in Philly on Thursday. Don’t let me down Philly! Rush is a dink. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/limbaugh-not-racist-at-all-no-sirree-bob/204922.md?page=4)