# Linda Rondstat thrown out of casino for supporting Michael Moore! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2004, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915 "2004-07-20T01:13:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/181 "2004-07-21T21:37:56Z")
What a fine post! Well done, Lemur. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/182 "2004-07-21T21:43:50Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > I’d want to know exactly HOW she dedicated the song, with what words. If she made a five minute speech that’s one thing. But I wouldn’t walk out of a show I’d paid for because of one dedication. Sheesh. Well, if she did it the same way as the way she did it at the show I went to 2 weeks ago, it was maybe 20 seconds long and pretty damned harmless. She said she has been doing it at every show on this tour and that about half the people love it and half the people hate it. ---
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/183 "2004-07-21T21:46:09Z")
But, don’t you know? The GOP can dish it out, but they can’t take it. They’re going to tell you and me WHAT to think and WHEN to think it. They are Supreme. You have no other choice but what the GOP gives you. If you think otherwise, you’re sadly mistaken. Resistence is futile! They formed this country single-handedly, you know. We should all bow down and worhsip their poop on Loyalists Day, invented by Tyrant Bush II. - Jinx America: Where all hard-working Americans are left behind ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/184 "2004-07-21T21:49:18Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > No, I support keeping this country and the innocent people who live in it safe from dying by the thousands ala 9/11. You can’t even see that we’ve bred tens of thousands of new terrorists by what we’ve done? I’d like to correct something I said. Change “My granddaughter is far LESS safe now than she was before 9/11” to “My granddaughter is far LESS safe now _from terrorists_ than she was before 9/11” not that you’d give a shit about her or anyone else. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Very charming, granny. Class like yours is hard to hide, eh? At least as classy as our illustrious Vice President. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/185 "2004-07-21T21:58:11Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Have you read Bernard Goldberg’s book? He does an excellent job of pointing out how liberal bias manifests itself and the reasons for it, including the fact that those engaging in it are unaware of it themselves. _Pul-eeeze._ The only people who consider Bernie Goldberg a reliable authority on media bias are the nutjobs over at Free Republic. Over in the real world, [Goldberg’s accusations can’t even keep up with reality,](http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh111703.shtml) much less his imaginary perceptions of “bias.” ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/186 "2004-07-21T21:58:54Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > You can’t even see that we’ve bred tens of thousands of new terrorists by what we’ve done? > > I’d like to correct something I said. Change “My granddaughter is far LESS safe now than she was before 9/11” to “My granddaughter is far LESS safe now _from terrorists_ than she was before 9/11” not that you’d give a shit about her or anyone else. Gah! What _is_ it with you? Why this hysteria? **Starving Artist** may have opinions that you vehemently disagree with, you may think that he’s terribly mistaken about his views, but it’s quite a stretch to accuse him of not giving a shit about the safety of your grandaughter or other innocent people. Besides, I don’t believe that you really think that about him. You’re just slinging shit. > [@](#): > > At least as classy as our illustrious Vice President. So that excuses it? You have been behaving in a hysterical, boorish manner as far as I can see. I mean, it’s the Pit, so you’re allowed, but as far as I’m concerned it’s not really furthering your case. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/187 "2004-07-21T22:15:42Z")
> [@yosemite](#): > > . . . as far as I’m concerned it’s not really furthering your case. Riiiight. Cuz nobody’s more openminded and open to other people’s opinions that **Starving Artist**. \*\*Equipoise’s \*\* “case” was soooo close to being further before she got angry at his innocent inquisitiveness and open and honest debate. You were sooo close, **Equipoise** ; he was really, really listening very closely and considering thoughtfully everything you’d been saying. Riiiight. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/188 "2004-07-21T22:27:10Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Riiiight. Cuz nobody’s more openminded and open to other people’s opinions that **Starving Artist**. \*\*Equipoise’s \*\* “case” was soooo close to being further before she got angry at his innocent inquisitiveness and open and honest debate. :rolleyes: Whatever **Starving Artist** is, or is not, it doesn’t impress _the rest of us_ (well, at least me) when Equipoise’s flips out and spews out hysterical hyperbole about how he doesn’t give a shit if innocent people are killed. I don’t believe for a _second_ that she actually believes that. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/189 "2004-07-21T22:29:03Z")
Oops. Please take the apostrophe away from Equipoise’s name. (Well, not in this post, but in the last post.) Argh. Errant apostrophes. I hate that. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/190 "2004-07-21T22:33:41Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Did I mention that F9/11 has made almost $100 mil and that a majority of Americans plan to see it (so says [Gallup](http://www.gallup.com/content/default.aspx?ci=12379))? And that the DVD is coming out in October? Okay, let’s see how well close the box office numbers come to $987,000,000 (281 million people times an average ticket price of $7) which would be the aproximate gross if a bare majority - 51% - of Americans went to see it. I doubt the gross will end up being much more than 1/5th of that. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/191 "2004-07-21T22:41:29Z")
Dammit. “ **half** of 281 million people…” ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/192 "2004-07-21T22:50:24Z")
Yosemite, I hereby lodge a meta-complaint about your complaint about errant apostrophes. Let it further be known that I hereby lodge a pre-emptive meta-meta-meta complaint about your complaint about my etc. etc. You might think you are being cute, but you are most assuredly not cute. You complained about errant apostrophes but said nothing about errant ampersands. I think that speaks for itself–both for you, and your kind. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/193 "2004-07-21T23:24:56Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Riiiight. Cuz nobody’s more openminded and open to other people’s opinions that **Starving Artist**. \*\*Equipoise’s \*\* “case” was soooo close to being further before she got angry at his innocent inquisitiveness and open and honest debate. > > You were sooo close, **Equipoise** ; he was really, really listening very closely and considering thoughtfully everything you’d been saying. Riiiight. Well, actually, if you don’t go after **SA** with intent to maim from the start, he will try to respond to you with an equally thoughtful tone. Haul out the invective-launchers ab initio and he’ll shoot back. Now, granted, what he considers reasoned, unbiased, straightforward assertions and arguments, teeming hordes of us consider reality-challenged, if not outright delusional. (Sorry, friend **SA** , but so it is. 😉 ) But he isn’t flinging shit just to see if he can get a ruckus started, like certain posters of both the left and right have done recently (and been smacked down for – we all know who they are). He sincerely believes the positions he asserts. He really does listen to the arguments of his opponents, if expressed without gratuitous animadversions, and will respond in kind. Which is not to say that his arguments are ipso facto valid. Hell, I regularly cast about for a sturdy wall to forcibly applymy pate to when reading posts by my pal **Starving Artist**. But, believe it or not, he can be brought to acknowledge error at times. Why, in this very thread I accomplished the Herculean task. 😃 So, yeh, go at it hammer and tongs on the merits of his arguments. (What merits? I hear you say. Heh.) But do keep in mind, he’s arguing from a particular worldview that (to many of us) irreparably distorts his perceptions and hence deductions, rather than from any hardheartedness or evil intent. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/194 "2004-07-21T23:27:15Z")
So…take his name off the “Straight to the Wall After the Revolution” list? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/195 "2004-07-21T23:39:47Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > Okay, let’s see how well close the box office numbers come to $987,000,000 (281 million people times an average ticket price of $7) which would be the aproximate gross if a bare majority - 51% - of Americans went to see it. I doubt the gross will end up being much more than 1/5th of that. Did you read the Gallup poll? A majority of the people answered that they would see it in the theater or **on video**. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/196 "2004-07-21T23:49:42Z")
> [@yosemite](#): > > :rolleyes: Whatever **Starving Artist** is, or is not, it doesn’t impress _the rest of us_ (well, at least me) when Equipoise’s flips out and spews out hysterical hyperbole about how he doesn’t give a shit if innocent people are killed. I don’t believe for a _second_ that she actually believes that. Actually, yes, yes I do. And I don’t really care if I “impress” you or anyone else. People have died and are dying for a lie, and that’s defended as no big deal, and no amount of flipping out and spewing hysteria could be anywhere near as bad as killing even one innocent person for no good reason. It’s just another deflection technique. [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=267541) had made me feel a little bit better about people who call themselves Republicans. Maybe there’s hope yet. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/197 "2004-07-22T00:04:10Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Actually, yes, yes I do. You’re starting to sound like you’re approaching “loon” territory, along with Ms. Ronstadt (whose work I adore, by the way), what with her distress over realizing that (horrors!) Republicans or Fundamentalist Christians might be in her audience. She’s got every right to believe that, but it is WHACKED, in my opinion. I suppose you have every right to believe that someone whom you vehemently disagree with is actually apathetic towards the death of _your grandaughter_ and other innocents, and doesn’t “give a damn” about the death of innocents. That’s a pretty heady accusation, frankly. > [@](#): > > And I don’t really care if I “impress” you or anyone else. Well, that’s just dandy, because you sure as hell aren’t. You seem like a cool lady in a lot of ways, but in this you are leaning towards “loon,”, if, indeed, you are not just spewing hyperbole and actually, 100% are _convinced_ that those who disagree with you in a certain manner actually don’t give a damn that your granddaughter or other innocents die. That’s, well, just a little **WHACKED** , in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/198 "2004-07-22T00:07:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So…take his name off the “Straight to the Wall After the Revolution” list? Yeh, put him on the “Re-education Camp – Reinstall Wetware and Reboot” list. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/199 "2004-07-22T01:46:38Z")
[Potential new Alladin management pledges to invite both Rondstat and Moore to share the now infamous stage.](http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000582932) So they’re riding the publicity wave, but it still makes this little liberal feminazi dyke chortle. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915/200 "2004-07-22T04:23:03Z")
> [@wring](#): > > No, you misunderstand - the single source listed at the time I posted included all of the following: > > 1. a quote from Linda > 2. statement re: vandalism > 3. statement re: her being led out. > > You chose to believe that #1 was absolutely correct, but wanted to ‘see more evidence’ re: #2, and #3. That’s exactly, precisely, right. How am I doing so far, evidence-wise? I think if this thread were SBC Park there would be a kayakers fighting over my ball. > [@](#): > > Since all three things came from the same source, my issue is - why would you trust that the paper got the quote right (including if she’d said it sarcastically for example), but not the rest? Because I have acquired the basic skill of knowing how to read an newspaper article critically. Things which are said directly to a reporter are reasonably likely to have actually been said. Things said to a reporter about things which have happened are less likely to have actually happened – there’s a reason reporters say things like ‘stuff happened,’ “said casino spokeswoman Sara Gorgon”’ instead of just saying ‘stuff happened.’ “A statement issued by…” is half-likely to be a load of crap without corroborating evidence. In particular, statements issued by managements, governments and others with PR people have a high propensity to contain exaggeration. I will note one possible error: Robert Earl and the Planet Hollywood group do not yet have a license to operate the Aladdin. I don’t know to what extent Mr. Timmons and the current management of the casino have been cooperating or not with the incoming team (though I know that Planet Hollywood people like Mike Mecca have been crawling all over the place). Ergo, I also don’t know to what extent current Aladdin management might have had in any potential coming reconciliation – but damn, did I call that one anyway or what? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/linda-rondstat-thrown-out-of-casino-for-supporting-michael-moore/255915.md?page=11)