# Lion vs Tiger **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 9, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011 "2012-08-09T22:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/241 "2012-09-21T00:25:33Z")
> [@My\_Lord](#): > > ## Who won more in the past? > > ## Eh everybody, so being this was one of the biggest dual’s of earth’s top predator’s who do you think won more in the past, the eye of the tiger, or the King of the beast the Lion? > > ## Please only think of these as a hypotetical situation if you voice your opinion an be respectful to other’s who dont agree, an I’m searching for more of people’s knowledge of past event’s that way there’s no parley on animal conflict’s of geralizing the topic, but more of just learning of these 2 majestic beast past conflict’s for educatonal purposes only. > > ## I’ll share some for everyone who hasent any detail’s on subject so far… > > {Recorded Historical Document’s of Lion’s Killing Tiger account’s} > > * * * > > 1.Genius books/Animal facts, Lion named Nero killed Tim the tiger in > an Australian zoo – Documentary. > > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigeratzoo.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigeratzoo.jpg) > > [30 Jul 1949 - LION KILLS TIGER - Trove](http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52688717?searchTerm=) > 2.1936 Agartala zoo in bengal, a lion kills a male tiger. > When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a very large tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.” > (Local news report) > 3.1935 Sikestonians saw a lion kill a siberian tiger in a local town circus > act.(Documentary) > [Danville Bee Newspaper Archives, Sep 16, 1935, p. 1](http://newspaperarchive.com/danville-bee/1935-09-16/) > 4. 2 tigers died, In the the big cage tiger from a lion-(Video) > [http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2\_r.jpg](http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2_r.jpg) > which clyde beatty is talking about lion’s in general… when they are intermidiate family they will gang up on other lions an or tiger’s, other than that, lion’s will not help another lion, and are exellent free for all fighter’s an all clyde beatty’s fight’s for the movie was one on one by properganda’s of the director of the movie. > 5.1955 oct, 6 Naturual history society, Page 465-468, 3 separate > accounts lion won all 3.(Documentary) > 6.1960 Korea pit fights Male lions won majority of all fights refferrenced by zoo keeper lee young phil.(Hidden news Report) > [Animal Tigers: Dominated by the Black Tigers in Everland ... Animals Tigers](http://animal-tigers.blogspot.com/2011/02/dominated-by-black-tigers-in-everland.html) > lee young phil statement said, there were a few tiger and lion fight’s staged an recorded, and only one that the female tigris fought the lioness was aired in the colloection of animal fight’s… with harsh wording’s of the korean narrirator saying, the lioness was no match for there symbol of power, yet it was a 50/50 fight having the tiger the one bleeding to death. Also saying they were edited an spliced in favor of the tiger, which if there were more than a few male fight’s recorded, why werent they ever shown. It is highly concluded the male lion’s won all, an the video’s were destroyed due to cultrual idlelization’s of the korean’s. Here’s the other alibi to that same fight here… > [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HA28Dg01.html](http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HA28Dg01.html) > 7.1981 Martin. L Albert witnessed a lion kill a siberian tiger.(Documentary) > 8.1954 Lion kills tiger with one blow in Boltimore zoo.(Documentary) > 9.1935 In the town Bedford, Masachusetts a zoo lost a tiger to a > lion. “A lion and a tiger battled to the death here. The lion won. When Biller Brothers Circus moved on to its next stop, it left behind the carcass of the loser, a tiger weighing a little over a quarter of a ton.” > ~Guinness book of animal fact and feat > 10.Gir foreset 3 tigers vs 3 lions, all lions won an lion #2 mauled the male tiger. (Video) -Youtube- > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM) > 11.2011 two teen lions killed a adult male Bengal tiger in an > enclosure.(Video)- Youtube- > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlRBGq3rmk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlRBGq3rmk) > The story was one of the worker’s were on break, an went down the road to a store taking the key’s to the gate an car they usually break up minor scruffle’s with, , when two… 1.5 year old boy cub’s chased around an harrased a adult male bengal tiger, until he colapsed from exaustion, > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/rUyZN.jpg) > He tried despertaly to protect himself,… > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/8zr8Q.jpg) > but the two 1.5 year old brother’s showed no mercy, the tiger roared with hurendous moan’s in agony, after on looker’s shouted for the lion’s to stop shortly after one got a hold of his throat an took his life… > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/sApCb.jpg) > 12 King Edward the lion kill’s Dan the male tiger. (Book) > > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight3.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight3.jpg) > > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight4.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight4.jpg) > > 13.Calcutta zooligical garden’s a lioness kills a adult male tiger (New’s article) > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg) > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg) > [http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25](http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25) > 14.Gambier bulton, brittish mengerine saw a lioness kill a tiger.(New’s article) > 15.1925 Rudolf kludsky had said several lions had killed his tiger’s.Several mean’s more than 4= A few years later, Rudolf Kludsky again decided to train a mixed group (22 animals). Mistake. It took three months to get them used to each other. But they were not yet ready to perform. During one of the first shows, the nervous and inexperienced animals engaged in a free for all. One tiger was killed by a lion. Source=Tiger fan named Peter [Yuku.com](http://Yuku.com) > 1925, Rudolf Kludsky trains this mixed group of lions and tigers in the stadium or Turin. In the same year each group of species had to be separated as the lions oftentimes attacked the tiger and even killed several specimens. > [http://squaresolid.tumblr.com/](http://squaresolid.tumblr.com/) > 16. M. Herbert’s mengerine lion kills male royal bengal tiger. (New’s article) > > [http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionkillstiger-1.jpg](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionkillstiger-1.jpg) > > [29 Dec 1860 - VARIETIES. - Trove](http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/828442?searchTerm) > 17.1970 pittsburgh Press lion kill’s male tiger in india.(Video) > 18. Mr F.c owner of bowstock had a lion kill a male tiger before his act. > (New’s article) > 19.1949 in fitchburg a lion kill’s Roger the male siberian tiger in circus act. 500 Pound Circus Lion Arrives In Fitchburg Today After Killing Huge Tiger. The incident, as related today by the trainer of “cats,” who has been engaged in this daring business for 29 years or since he was nine years of age took place before the end of the act.The prince, who boasts of partial American parentage, his mother being a native of the United States and his father a Spaniard, said that the battle lasted but five or six minutes.” > Fitchburg, Mass, Friday, June 3, 1949 (New’s article) > 20. 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” a lion killed a tiger witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s. > ~(German new’s atricle) > [Velar Male Lion vs. Royal Bengal Tiger.(valauble/rare account)! - Animal vs Animal](http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/topic/2388/Velar-Male-Lion-vs-Royal-Bengal-Tiger-valauble-rare-account-) > 21.1985 Alan gold’s circus lion kill’s male tigerAlan Gold also had a mixed group. In 1985, a free for all erupted. He lost two lions and one tiger. The lions were killed by other lions. The tiger was killed by a lion. Gold, regarding the way both cats fight, compared to Beatty. He stated lions fight in a calculated way, where as tigers, in a free for all, are nervous and vulnarable. Source=Tiger fan named Peter [Yuku.com](http://Yuku.com) > 22. Lion kills siberian tiger: in a circus act (February 1951. Detroit). > 23. Lioness kills siberian tiger: Happened in a zoo (September 1951. Madras Zoological Gardens). > [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134) > [Some new accounts (just for fun). - Animal vs Animal](http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/sreply/8061/t/Some-new-accounts-just-for-fun-.html) > 24. Dave hoover tiger’{s} killed by lion’s > > [http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Hooverlionsvstigers2.jpg](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Hooverlionsvstigers2.jpg) > > 1. Beatty-cole lion’s kill 2 tiger’s > [http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/tamerdaveHoover.jpg](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/tamerdaveHoover.jpg) > 26.Clyde beatty’s circus act Ceasar the lion kill’s bobby the tiger. > “Down sprang Caesar, determined to seize the offensive, but before he could do so, Bobby had battled his way through Caesar’s paws, grabbed his mane so stubbornly that he couldn’t move. For the next couple of minutes each struggled and strained for an advantage, but Bobby’s hold was so tenacious that they only succeeded in twisting a little. With the cameras continuing to grind and getting nothing but a little harmless tug of war… Energy spent, the exhausted Bobby tried to roll away from Caesar, but Caesar’s hold now was as firm as Bobby’s which had been on his mane. Seeing this turn in affairs, I dashed into the cage. Already Caesar’s jaws had crunched Bobby’s neck and when I got there Caesar was shaking Bobby’s limp, bloody head and throat from side to side. Bobby’s eyes were turning starey. He was dead and it was only two minutes since I was keenly sorry that I had done it, but in thinking it over I became convinced that my part had been negligible. The lion is frequently the superior; he doubtless would have been the winner in this case no matter what I had done.” > 2. Bavenna, OH, Lioness kills tigress > 3. 2008 Cheongi the lion kills siberian tigress name Hobi jeonju zoo. [ImageShack - Best place for all of your image hosting and image sharing needs](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/166/748tb0.jpg/) > An this is Hobi after the incident with cheongi, the not so friendly lion… > [Lion Kills Tiger in Zoo - The Korea Times](http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/117_36355.html) > 4. 2006 lion kill’s huge siberian white tigress in leberic and czech zoo. There was only one bite mark on Isabella’s throat an no other wound’s concluding even though 2 lion’s occupied the same encloser with isbella the tiger, only one lion attacked isabella. > [http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-11-19-Czech-Republic\_N.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-11-19-Czech-Republic_N.htm) > 5. Lion kills Puna the male tiger > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/Image-80.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-80.jpg) > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/Image-81.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-81.jpg) > 6. A lion kills a tiger in a pit fight on a palace compound of an indian maharajah prince in front of thousand’s this is not the gir fight. > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/lionvstigerfights.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionvstigerfights.jpg) - > It’s on this site called tiger territory, on lairweb .com here… > [Tiger Territory. The Internet's most massive information and tiger photograph resource.](http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/) > 32, TIGER; THE STORY OF THE INDIAN TIGER 1977 By well known Indian Zologist Kailash Sankhala. Saw four accasion’s lion’s defeated tigers in the wild. > [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL.\_SL500\_AA300\_.jpg](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) > His book was taken from his oringinal text here… > [http://bks4.books.google.de/books?id=3\_baAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&edge=curl&source=gbs\_api](http://bks4.books.google.de/books?id=3_baAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&edge=curl&source=gbs_api) > 7. Jam sahib well respected of 40 year’s of zoology of lion’s and tiger’s in india has wittnessed 3 fights having all lion defeat tiger’s in his book here… > [http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg](http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg) > Also in his summary, when he exploited keshari singh he point’s them out again here… > [http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg](http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg) > 8. 1834 diary of a literature lion defeat’s tiger. > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/liondefeatstiger.png](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/liondefeatstiger.png) > 9. A lion kills a bear and tiger in 1 fight. > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/books\_003-25.png](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books_003-25.png) > 10. Bob greene speak’s of an old video of local’s of india having a pit fight with a lion fighting a tiger, and the lion won, due to his mane… > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/books-2.png](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/books-2.png) > 11. The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is an advantage. There is one instance I remember where a full grown lion and very large tiger engaged in combat, by unforeseen chance of course. It was when the John O’ Brien Show had its winter quarters in Philadelphia and I was connected with it. “A lion and a tiger were in a compartment cage, with a partition between. In some manner this partition was battered down in the night and the two big fellow’s got together. They had probably been issuing challenges to each other and promising what they would do to one another if the chance came. When morning arrived we found the two in the lion’s cage, the tiger dead and the lion all chew and clawed to pieces, but still full of fight.” > ~George Conklln, “Adventures With a Circus” > [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510U7xDeJ3L.\_SL500\_AA300\_.jpg](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510U7xDeJ3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg) > 39.Another lion kills male tiger(Fort Wayne Gazette, 1882 > 12. Male lion kills male tiger, The Hammond Times, 1935 , > 41.Male tiger killed by a lion (Tri-City Herald, 1956 , > 42.Adult male tiger was killed by a male lion , F. Jefferies, 1834 > 13. Lion kills male tiger, Fort Wayne, 1902 > , > NEW YORK. Nov. 2. -Tradition that the tiger is a better animal then the lion in a fight has been disproved as Sr. Nicholas Garden, where one of the biggest striped denizens of the Bengal jungles is suffering from rips and tears inflicted upon him by one of the late king of the South Africa forests. The press agent did not give this story out. Probably he would lose his job if he had, for Bostock is careful to suppress any news tending to show that his animals ever exhibit sanguinary instincts when in the arena. The two big cats in question were brought together several days ago to become familiarized with each other for purposes of a contemplated act in the show ring. The tiger walked nervously up to the lion and began rubbing his nose over the latter’s haunches. A low growl was the response. But when the tiger inserted his teeth in the lion’s mane, Leo uttered a roar, unmasked his ivories and crouched. The tiger retreated a few feet and then sprang high in the air, intending to come down on the lion. But Leo deftly side-stepped and when the tiger alighted he grabbed it by the head. A twisting of the teeth and a large section of the tiger’s face, including one eye, was gone. The trainers and attendants now tried to separate the beasts, which for several minutes rolled over and over each other, snarling, roaring, biting and scratching. Finally they were separated. The tiger, mutilated and bleeding, cowered in a corner, while the lion was defiant in another. > > FORT WAYNE MORNING JOURNAL GAZETTE, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1902. > 44,lion kills male tiger Syracuse Herald, 1929 > [Syracuse Herald Newspaper Archives, Sep 15, 1929, p. 84](http://newspaperarchive.com/syracuse-herald/1929-09-15/page-84/) > 45.,lion kills tiger O. Breland, 1963 > .A Lioness slew a male Bengal Tiger (Ward, Lock, Bowden, 1896 ) > 46.Animal reserve:Lion kills 2 tigers one juvi siberian tiger and 1 adult bengal tiger, an had another lion whiped 2 tigers in the same cage… > > …I seen a african lion maul our adolescent male Siberian tiger to death. The adolescent was a year old. It is extremely sad that these fights are used for entertainment but at the same time I was awed to see one lion defeat two large tigers with all 3 animals in the cage at the same time. > -My teammates and I were transporting a male African Lion into a cage neighboring a Bengal Tigers cage in Kenya. There was a small opening in between the two cages for intermingling of neighboring animals. It was supposed to be closed at the time but someone forgot to close it. The lion sprang from the transportation container through the opening and mauled the tiger of similar size. We tranquilized the lion but it was too late. Two days later, the tiger died due to fatal wounds. It was a very one sided fight where the lion spent much time chasing the tiger. > [FollowTheQuote.com](http://peperonity.com/go/sites/mview/junglebook/14687797%28p5%29) > 47. lion kills male tiger > [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigerinafight.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigerinafight.jpg) > 48. lion kills male tiger Logansport Press, November 15., 1934 > [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount2.jpg](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount2.jpg) > 49. “A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes.” > ~Peoples Daily Online > [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134) > 50. lion kills tiger ~Coventry Evening Telegraph, 25. of september 1903 > > [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount1.jpg](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount1.jpg) > > 1. Thrill’s at Galore lion kills tiger > [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount5.jpg?t=1312674003](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount5.jpg?t=1312674003) > 2. lion kills tiger “The Jungle behind Bars” by Courtney Ryley Cooper > > [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount10.jpg](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount10.jpg) > > 1. lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928 > > [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount4.jpg](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount4.jpg) > > 1. Lion kills another tiger source: The Herald > [http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TH18991223.2.87](http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TH18991223.2.87) > 55.lion kills tiger in Roman arena > > [http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books-2.png](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books-2.png) > > [http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books\_003-3.png](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books_003-3.png) > > [http://books.google.com/books?id=6zG\_SuhbQWcC&pg=PA254&dq=The+amphitheatre+had+grown+so+still,+that+the+clear+melody+of+the+flute+was+distinctly+audible+over+the+whole+vast+space.+As+soon+as+the+disturbance+ceased,+the+king+of+the+beast,+apparently+untroubled+by+the+new+visitor&hl=en&ei=RdhKTs6-KoTV0QH0ooXrBw&sa=X&oi=book\_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20amphitheatre%20had%20grown%20so%20still%2C%20that%20the%20clear%20melody%20of%20the%20flute%20was%20distinctly%20audible%20over%20the%20whole%20vast%20space.%20As%20soon%20as%20the%20disturbance%20ceased%2C%20the%20king%20of%20the%20beast%2C%20apparently%20untroubled%20by%20the%20new%20visitor&f=false](http://books.google.com/books?id=6zG_SuhbQWcC&pg=PA254&dq=The+amphitheatre+had+grown+so+still,+that+the+clear+melody+of+the+flute+was+distinctly+audible+over+the+whole+vast+space.+As+soon+as+the+disturbance+ceased,+the+king+of+the+beast,+apparently+untroubled+by+the+new+visitor&hl=en&ei=RdhKTs6-KoTV0QH0ooXrBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20amphitheatre%20had%20grown%20so%20still%2C%20that%20the%20clear%20melody%20of%20the%20flute%20was%20distinctly%20audible%20over%20the%20whole%20vast%20space.%20As%20soon%20as%20the%20disturbance%20ceased%2C%20the%20king%20of%20the%20beast%2C%20apparently%20untroubled%20by%20the%20new%20visitor&f=false) > 57. But to get back to the lions and tigers, apparently it is a very hard thing to put lions and tigers together. I read that scientists say that lions have the strongest forelegs of the big cats, and they have a knack to being more ferocious. Even though tigers are heavier and longer, it’s ferocity that determines a winner. Lions have all the equipment of a fighter with huge forelegs, the mane, and the stocky body. Because of the mane the male lion is a poor predator. He however has a fierce desire to defend his territory. They have been known to kill or drive off rhinos. The tiger is nervous around a male lion and cat trainers have said that this has caused problems in zoos and circuses. > The same trainers have mostly said that the male lion appears to have no fear of the tiger even in a large group of tigers. The big cat trainer Clyde Beatty lost 12 tigers to lions and didn’t lose a single lion. He once had a tiger and lion fighting in a live performance and tried to stop it he couldn’t and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death in front of all these people. He also had a lion he called Sultan the First and he beat ever male tiger he ever faced. There are 3 films that have been made about fights between a male lion and male tiger and in all three the lion won. ‘Lion-Tiger Fight’, 1930’s, Castle Films (16 mm) is a short documentary about a fight between a lion and a tiger which occurred during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India (The only place where you can find lions and tigers living together). > [http://arlene-wright-correll.wrytestuff.com/swa642954-Finding-Our-Grandfather-In-The-Attic.htm](http://arlene-wright-correll.wrytestuff.com/swa642954-Finding-Our-Grandfather-In-The-Attic.htm) > 58. lion kills male tiger in pit fight > [http://books.google.com/books?id=LyesAyRMj1MC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=african+lion+fights+tiger&source=bl&ots=Q\_nlCbHve1&sig=6aJ9sku6f0\_rPCbpHI4vcsZho-0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3oAGULKfI4qO2wXAzqWSBQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg](http://books.google.com/books?id=LyesAyRMj1MC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=african+lion+fights+tiger&source=bl&ots=Q_nlCbHve1&sig=6aJ9sku6f0_rPCbpHI4vcsZho-0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3oAGULKfI4qO2wXAzqWSBQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg) > 59. 1957 Frankfurt Zoological Gardens, > a free for all erupted at performance of 10 big cats 8 lions an 2 tiger’s the 2 tigers were killed by the lion’s and 2 lions were killed by the remaining 6. > Animal facts and feats: a Guinness record of the animal kingdom > 60. Lost Atlantis Or the Great Deluge of All > And slew before their wond’ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger > who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary > strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, … > [http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ](http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ) > 61. The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east > [http://books.google.com/books?id=j8hZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA563&lpg=PA563&dq=lion+fights+combat+tiger++dead+abu&source=bl&ots=Fdgs65WC2\_&sig=H7vWueW753wdCAb9rkRSImuqoKs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW\_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA](http://books.google.com/books?id=j8hZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA563&lpg=PA563&dq=lion+fights+combat+tiger++dead+abu&source=bl&ots=Fdgs65WC2_&sig=H7vWueW753wdCAb9rkRSImuqoKs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA) > [http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009\_04/08/0003/147355/147355\_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4\_-1\_273.Jpeg](http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009_04/08/0003/147355/147355_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg) > 62. [http://books.google.com/books?id=4ILtFslJTDQC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lion+and+tiger+sculpture+italy&source=bl&ots=\_zZtRj-Xbt&sig=oeLY3wwRpGtG6PCWb1OlQ64zL6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw](http://books.google.com/books?id=4ILtFslJTDQC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lion+and+tiger+sculpture+italy&source=bl&ots=_zZtRj-Xbt&sig=oeLY3wwRpGtG6PCWb1OlQ64zL6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw) > 63. Art in the Hellenistic Age > Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion > standing over a prostrate tiger. [http://books.google.com/books?id=vt9JwsNcKzwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=lion+tiger+faun&source=bl&ots=isc59w57MT&sig=EYFviHdwZOCiZa-eQuPmGwQcEbc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=\_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA](http://books.google.com/books?id=vt9JwsNcKzwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=lion+tiger+faun&source=bl&ots=isc59w57MT&sig=EYFviHdwZOCiZa-eQuPmGwQcEbc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA) > 64. The tale of Pompeii > [http://books.google.com/books?id=dztAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=lion+standing+over+tiger&source=bl&ots=7a-6\_-8mNV&sig=UZk7DGd\_GtYPMpb0m\_uR4-m1xtc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jQ8PUMuIA4aYiQKlsICYAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ](http://books.google.com/books?id=dztAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=lion+standing+over+tiger&source=bl&ots=7a-6_-8mNV&sig=UZk7DGd_GtYPMpb0m_uR4-m1xtc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jQ8PUMuIA4aYiQKlsICYAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ) > [http://books.google.com/books?id=dztAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA44&ots=7a-6\_-8mNV&dq=lion+standing+over+tiger&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html](http://books.google.com/books?id=dztAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA44&ots=7a-6_-8mNV&dq=lion+standing+over+tiger&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html) > 65. LION AND TIGER FIGHT CASTLE FILM lion kills tiger > [http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8/4/1/7/7/webimg/543364200\_tp.jpg](http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8/4/1/7/7/webimg/543364200_tp.jpg) > 66. Preferred Argument Structure: Grammar As Architecture for Function lion fights an kills tiger page 412 {Book} > [http://books.google.com/books?id=dmAaKhGWq90C&pg=PA412&lpg=PA412&dq=lion+killed+tiger+fight+mountain&source=bl&ots=r0PWHpU3wg&sig=qsqYyR8IoG-whvJjEMM1jm1cLl4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZJMdUND\_BKHViwLxpIGoAg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ](http://books.google.com/books?id=dmAaKhGWq90C&pg=PA412&lpg=PA412&dq=lion+killed+tiger+fight+mountain&source=bl&ots=r0PWHpU3wg&sig=qsqYyR8IoG-whvJjEMM1jm1cLl4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZJMdUND_BKHViwLxpIGoAg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ) > 67. Western Reserve University bulletin, Volume 1 A lion the victor of a fight with a mangled tiger. > [http://books.google.com/books?id=jKk4AAAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA44&lpg=RA2-PA44&dq=lion+killed+tiger+fight+reserve&source=bl&ots=natKyEmXlK&sig=vZruY1SzKLv-Wg\_9OX0dlYt8pYM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IZsdULXCF4zFiwLlm4D4Bw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCDgK](http://books.google.com/books?id=jKk4AAAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA44&lpg=RA2-PA44&dq=lion+killed+tiger+fight+reserve&source=bl&ots=natKyEmXlK&sig=vZruY1SzKLv-Wg_9OX0dlYt8pYM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IZsdULXCF4zFiwLlm4D4Bw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCDgK) I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/242 "2012-09-21T00:59:04Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > You can’t compare two things from different periods anymore? How come they do in Deadliest Warrior? Well there might have been minor engagements between Mongol cavalry and Byzantine soldiers a couple of times. I didn’t say it couldn’t be done. I just wanted to see the cites. That’s the way it’s done here on the SDMB. You make claims, be prepared to back them up. > [@RedFury](#): > > I disagree. You’ve put \*\*My Lord \*\*in a tough spot. I don’t know what he could do to rebut your argument. It’s not like he has any more cites. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2012, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/243 "2012-09-21T01:18:43Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I didn’t say it couldn’t be done. I just wanted to see the cites. That’s the way it’s done here on the SDMB. You make claims, be prepared to back them up. > Like how you’ve been backing up the tiger on here? > You’ve put \*\*My Lord \*\*in a tough spot. I don’t know what he could do to rebut your argument. It’s not like he has any more cites. ## You dont say…so it ended at 67…yes? Well heres 68… 1. Indian Rement of past conflicts of old. ## The Anvár-i Suhailí; lion kills several tigers When the tiger was seized by the lions claw, Death\<---- [http://books.google.com/books?id=QBi2OLju39gC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=lion+tiger+fight+suited+region&source=bl&ots=gzgy8hlxIc&sig=V2CHvhgzn4klwtkTgh1S2TNkzkg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vzNIUJL\_CpDtiQLn\_YDIBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ](http://books.google.com/books?id=QBi2OLju39gC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=lion+tiger+fight+suited+region&source=bl&ots=gzgy8hlxIc&sig=V2CHvhgzn4klwtkTgh1S2TNkzkg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vzNIUJL_CpDtiQLn_YDIBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ) - ## I’m curious? Wheres your 68 accounts, to even get it out of the hole of 8/10…you do know just to get to 50/50 you have to present the exact same amount…right? So as of right now, all you are is a troll. Tootles Troll 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2012, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/244 "2012-09-21T23:46:54Z")
Whoa almost 12,000 geez that stickey post is going down! XD XD ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2012, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/245 "2012-09-22T08:24:27Z")
> [@My\_Lord](#): > > - > > I can assure you, almost 70% of them are joined an linked with an account, here I’ll show you one of there full blown abstracts they are linked with… > 31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”) > > A drama at the Ganges. > > I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, one you wouldn’t see again in a hundred years, a scene of blood and death that forever will haunt my mind. […] The lion and his rival, the tiger, need air and space in great quantity. Here, and only here, are they really able to live and to rule. […] (A long description of lions and tigers and how fierce both of them are, the actual event follows now) A Malayan slave ran towards us and shouted: “Lion! Lion! Down there, at the river! It’s a big, fierce lion!” > > “One more reason to take shelter in the house,” continued the colonel. “Come, my friends, take the weapons! The lion is a troublesome guest.” > > We closed the house’s doors; the slaves got weapons and guarded the basement. We, to welcome this guest admirably, climbed up to the gallery from which we could overlook the Ganges. An unusually big lion walked haughtily down there, not looking around as he does when he has to fight an opponent, but instead ambling slowly and thoughtfully like a philosopher, he walked there. He stopped from time to time to rest a minute, and then continued majestically his way. Under a magnificent palm, he stopped, turned around two times, and finally lay down in the shadow. This was the rest of a magnificent ruler that had nothing to fear from any adversary. He rested easily, as do those who have made no enemies. > > Scarcely ten minutes had the lion lain there, when suddenly, he jumped up as though struck by lightning, roaring very deeply and scratching the ground with both hind legs, as though challenging an adversary. He lowered his head and, in a single bound, jumped at the palm’s stem to look about, to the right and left. Then he jumped down to ground to wait again, and his gaze lingered at one particular spot on the horizon. > > “An enemy seems to approach,” the colonel said, “a terrible enemy, if we look at the lion’s reaction. I predict that it will be a fierce fight, and many rich people would pay a great sum to see it if they were here right now.” > > “And why,” I asked, “don’t they stage some fights from time to time, if they would pay so much?” > > “Because what we have here is very rare. The lion won’t fight against a human but against a fierce animal, one as strong as he himself, such as a rhinoceros, an elephant, or a tiger.” > > “A tiger! It’s really a tiger!” one of us shouted pointing a finger at the dangerous beast which jumped in huge leaps towards the lion. It was breathtaking, our eyes wandered from the lion to the tiger and from the tiger to the lion. The lion still was lurking. It was a terrible spectacle and we wagered who will win. Now they stood eyeball to eyeball with each other. They’d seen each other and wouldn’t leave unless one of them was lying dead at the ground. The tiger was unbelievably huge and beautiful with his long black stripes distributed all over his yellowish body. His fearful eyes seemed to burn, his head was lowered. We stood, at the most, 200 feet away. The sun shone brightly, so we could see their every move. I don’t think I have to mention that our hearts were in our mouths. The tiger closed in on the lion, but the lion remained calm. In the latter, we could see the force of the calmness in his powerful position; in the tiger, one could believe to see the violent tension of someone who has the impudence to disrespect a close danger, one who had the will to assault it. We could see a certain twitch in his legs, but he wasn’t about to flee. Did the crouching tiger want to kill the lion? I believe it did, and I admire the royal tiger’s courage, he would rather lie down in a burning furnace than be accused of cowardice! > > The lion had not moved at all, but we could see what was happening inside him by looking at his erected mane. From time to time, his countenance suggested a submissive gesture. But he, the king of animals, didn’t want to show any fear, but rather boldness, to his opponent. A duel was now inevitable. For the tiger it may be a glorious day, but for the lion it was certainly a festive day. > > With one leap, they could grab, bite, tear each other; with one leap they’d jump over the space of 20 feet that separated them from each other. Then, they leaped! The crash equaled the crash of two ships in a tempest! We could hear the bones breaking under the weight of their terrible paws, we could see chunks of flesh falling to the ground. They made no sound, but their gruff moaning indicated their rage and pain. Neither showed superiority and we wondered who would win. If the lion were to think that he had overpowered the tiger, the latter could earn the victory with a single move, shattering the surprised lion. > > The fight now lasted 10 minutes, and suddenly, as if they came to an agreement, both loosened their grip to gain their breath again. It was the motionlessness of the rage, but it was the calmness of the king. A few moments later, an unexpected incident which resurrected the fight took place: The tiger, which saw not only his defeat but also his death, used the moment. While his opponent was licking his wounded hind leg, he leaped 10 feet up the palm’s stem and stayed there. The lion looked around and couldn’t see his foe anymore; he roared, looked upwards, and he jumped at the tiger. But in this position it was impossible to continue the fight. They knew that only one of them would survive. The tiger jumped down and the lion followed him, but his leg caused him to shiver. A long fight wasn’t possible any more. Their claws were blunted, their jaws were tired, and they had lost much blood. > > The fighters’ jaws were wedged in each other as they bit at each others’ heads; we could feel the bones crushing. Suddenly the tiger retreated, wavered and fell down. The lion seized him with his terrible paws and it seemed like he wanted to punish the defeated opponent for his resistance. > > He didn’t loosen his grip, the merciless king of the forest, the feared lord of the wilderness; he tore the tiger apart, he crushed its skull. Suddenly a crocodile appeared out of the river. It seized the lion at his injured hind leg and dragged him into the water. The only remains of this fight were the dead tiger under the palm and some read streams of blood on the water surface. > > ## Translated into English by Leofwin. [Landshuter Zeitung: niederbayerisches Heimatblatt für Stadt und Land ... - Google Books](http://books.google.de/books?id=ghtEAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA1-PA50&dq=l%C3%B6we+tiger+kampf&hl=de&ei=aSZETeLmFYTAswbU6IHVDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=l%C3%B6we%20tiger%20kampf&f=false) > > ## You see that account^^^ its from the same German newspaper archive of same era story of this artifact… [http://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand\_victor\_eugene\_delacr/kampf\_loewe\_tiger\_hi.jpg](http://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand_victor_eugene_delacr/kampf_loewe_tiger_hi.jpg) > > I can or could format everything with there accounts later, but that would take heap of motion, but I kinda like it better in its own catagorie of collective artifacts, but I’ll keep that in mind to maybe format them as a whole abstract and present them that way. I dunno, man. Still looks like they’re totally mouth kissing. Perverts. Anyhow, I have no doubt this will become a sticky in this forum due to: 1) the number of hits indicating earnest interest on this topic. 2) this topic being one of the most important issues of our times; both modern and ancient… but that goes without saying, and 3) your fastidious, in-depth analysis, on top of providing a lower-than-average (yet a decent amount) of cites of lions fighting and/or making out with tigers. ---
**Author:** ![qbadger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/fbc32d/32.png) [@qbadger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qbadger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/246 "2012-09-23T04:01:18Z")
A’s the topic starter, can I JU’ST say 12,000 Views! XD More cites coming, guys! Keep the view count up! XD XD ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/247 "2012-09-23T04:13:45Z")
> [@qbadger](#): > > A’s the topic starter, can I JU’ST say > > 12,000 Views! XD > > More cites coming, guys! Keep the view count up! XD XD 😕 So, is My Lord a sock for qbadger? ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/248 "2012-09-23T08:10:05Z")
## Heres another Source that says lions usually defeated tigers in the Roman Arenas.. Decapitating ostriches with crescent-headed arrows was a favorite trick at gladiator battles. The crowds cheered and roared with laughter as the ostrich continued to run around after its head was cut off. Bears usually defeated bulls. Packs of hounds easily dispatched deers. Lions usually defeated tigers. Not even a rhino could penetrate the hide of an elephant. [http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=2061&catid=56&subcatid=369](http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=2061&catid=56&subcatid=369) ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/249 "2012-09-23T21:27:24Z")
> [@qbadger](#): > > A’s the topic starter, can I JU’ST say > > 12,000 Views! XD > > More cites coming, guys! Keep the view count up! XD XD - lol You stole my thunder! ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/250 "2012-09-24T22:50:33Z")
Found a lead, it seems this person of the 1500’s have had drawn animal fights an he drew a lion an tiger fighting…I’ll be looking around if I can find his peice, I wonder who he drew winning? > **[The World's Premier Online Auctions | Invaluable.com](https://www.invaluable.com)** > > Bid online in live auctions from all over the world. Browse fine and decorative art, antiques, estate jewelry, coins and stamps, collectibles, and more! ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/251 "2012-09-24T22:53:49Z")
I still think the tiger wins. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/252 "2012-09-24T23:32:01Z")
## Well in true fashion…both has won already, the question is not (who will) win more, its (who has) won more. Thats the answers I’m looking for. If you ask who will win more…you’ll get a Bias opinion (no matter what)…But if you ask who has won more you can get a account showing who won, then its basically tallying up how many you can find. Even that might be a little trickey, because if a lion fan found a account of a tiger killing a lion, would he present it or conseal it and only show a account he found of a lion killing a tiger? An would a tiger fan find a lion killing a tiger an conseal it as well an only present accounts of tigers killing lions? We wouldent know, now would we? Thats why its better off if you be 50/50, because we really dont know, but we can speculate of course, an thats the whole purpose of bringing it up…an I found around 30-40 accounts of tigers winning, an 120 of lions winning…am I bias for the lions? Well I’d like to think not, I did state that tigers have almost 40 a Bias person would have said none… but thats all I could find, if you can find more then hey I’ll add them to the list with no probs. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/253 "2012-09-24T23:35:54Z")
Cite? ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/254 "2012-09-24T23:37:40Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Cite? Cite of what? ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/255 "2012-09-25T01:14:50Z")
> [@My\_Lord](#): > > Cite of what? I think he is asking if the lion and tiger were of equal health and bred to the same level of aggression. As a tiger apologist, I am still not seeing if the animals were evenly matched in terms of the health of the animals involved or whether or not the tigers were tricked into a show match that turned ugly behind their back. Common sense says that, since a tiger is bigger and stronger, it should win most of the time. I think there may have been some gambling rigging and general tomfoolery going on with the results shown so far. I don’t dispute many of the reported facts but I wonder what the outcome would be if you had a lion and tiger both of equal health and trained in the same fighting styles. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/256 "2012-09-25T05:01:55Z")
More MMA wins have been by knockout they say, so the better striker will still have better chances (assuming similar well-rounded training.) ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/257 "2012-09-25T05:21:08Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > I think he is asking if the lion and tiger were of equal health and bred to the same level of aggression. As a tiger apologist, I am still not seeing if the animals were evenly matched in terms of the health of the animals involved or whether or not the tigers were tricked into a show match that turned ugly behind their back. Common sense says that, since a tiger is bigger and stronger, it should win most of the time. I think there may have been some gambling rigging and general tomfoolery going on with the results shown so far. > > I don’t dispute many of the reported facts but I wonder what the outcome would be if you had a lion and tiger both of equal health and trained in the same fighting styles. - ## I left 12 occaisions of (wild) lions killing (wild) tigers which they mentioned that the tigers were Quote" Un-belivably huge"…what have you brought or you are seeing that can match it? Let alone the 100s of pit fights an captive fights… Tigers do not have an advantage of size because they are too (Similar) I proved that with over 20 Zoologiist that weighed over 50 tigers each in the (wild) an they averaged no bigger than lions some not even getting to 500 pounds an a over-all tiger speices average of 420 pounds (Average), same goes with captive lions an tigers what ever weights the tiger reached so can the lion…I showed that with almost 30…800-900 pound lions, so unless your selecting the match by bias porportions pitting a smaller lion…than stop saying tigers are bigger they are so similar that sometimes the tiger is larger sometimes the lion, I can show you over 50 lions in the wild that passed 270 Kg, with ease so you cannot by-pass weights unless you go by there----\>(Averages) so you cant give your bias opinion an think it should be taken into consideration (which it isint) unless your hand picking the fighters, which I could do the same… Your just trying to act like theres a significant advantage when theres not, trying to alibie B.S (secoundary) sites that hadent even had people that weighed them. ## You dont even enphinsize saying what the tiger is stronger in…sures as hell not there swipes or frontal body power, tigers have stronger back limbs, which aids acrobaitcs an leaping an running speed, while lions have bigger, broader, taller an stronger front limbs which aids powerfuler swipes an frontal wrestling. ## Gamibling an rigging? lol Funny you should bring that up…the tiger side has only 3/15th the amount of accounts yet there percentage has more rigged an gambling bullshit then the lions entire account ratio…like -The fact that 80% of the tiger wins were of Male tigers killing female lions (as showed) -Roman Proske Jabbed a steel fork in the lions eye giving the tiger leverage. -edmunds mengerines lion had no teeth or claws to defend him self. -The tower of london had 2 wild tigers agianst 1 tamed lion -Baroda had a fixed fight ## -The conklin circus had tied up the lion an let the tiger cheat. - ## Dont be making B.S accusuations unless you know what your even talking about, if you want me to act as if the 100 captivity fights dident happen? Thats fine…Phweet, Boom! There gone…now about the 12 occaisions in the (wild) make a come back when you can just present the accounts to match it…because if were tlking just wild accounts now, than its a 10/10 by data unless you cant present a few (wild ones) than thats how it will stay. ## An why or how can that even be possible to train the lion the same way the tiger can fight or in other words train them equally? Thats not possible in the wild, because the tiger is usually solitary, an the lion can live in a Pride as small as 8 to as big as 30, thats why they are better fighters…they are more accustumed to it, they are use to pecking orders, they are the more practiced fighters, everything the tiger does threw territory fights an mating rights so does the lion, yet they do it in much greater quanitys…an they hone in an harnesses all of that within there own Prides, the tiger is just the same as any other big cat, yet lions arnt, their morphology is different, there physiology is built different from all other cat-like structures, there anatomy has something no other cat has a mane, their entire attributes are framed for combat an very little else there liing style is un-like any other cats for they are the only true social big cat or just cat out of all the animaliums of the cat family, it was always constructed that they were mainly war cats, by pretty much every culture that heard an dealt with them, wjhile all the other cats are less than medicore an are primealry just good hunters. I really like to keep an open mind here, but with the amount an or gestures your portratying there statistics are below what they are in factual data an more so just making up your own standards, making up your own weights, making up the tigers capabilities he dosent even have, making up pretty much your whole fantasy match up of a fight where you want to have a smaller weaker lion lose to a bigger stonger tiger…which makes it seem all you are is just Bias…which is why I presented my data because I dont like the Idea when people make it a priorty to tarnish either or…50/50 is where I stand, yet if you wish to go by data…its a whole different ball game. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/258 "2012-09-25T10:42:44Z")
This thread is at 6 pages? I know there is a sense of huge moral outrage you must feel at the worldwide conspiracy to slight the lions, but come on… just blame the Jews and the Masons and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Indian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@Indian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indian)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/259 "2012-09-25T11:23:12Z")
This board fights ignorance. My Lord is spreading knowledge here with his pertinent citations.He has devoted his efforts to establishing the facts. In fact, his 2003 model PC is the only thing holding him back from digging up more accurate historical data. Unfortunately ignorance fights back. He has to still struggle to convince people. But his single-minded determination will pay off one day. I vote that this thread be kept permanently open. Did Jews keep Lions? I don’t know. May be My Lord can provide some citations. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/260 "2012-09-25T11:47:33Z")
> [@astro](#): > > This thread is at 6 pages? I know there is a sense of huge moral outrage you must feel at the worldwide conspiracy to slight the lions, but come on… just blame the Jews and the Masons and move on. - ## World Wide conspiracy you say? It has nothing with the world knowing the truth of the past(I’m pretty sure they know), its the present of Internet Manipulation that effects such a thing as uhhh? Brain washing, one commercial white lie an it can all fall apart for the future Knowledge of education in its implimations, [Example] how would you know the internet Bible is the exact same writings from the old testement? (You wont, you’d just either have to go by faith or dis-belife) One person miss-translating just a few words or dilibertly changing storys could destroy the whole implimation of what its explaining…just like how 80% of the people that have commented (who dosent know anything of this Topic) takes something like wiki as there Holy bible an clings to it for dear life (Not saying the program just the user), some take it to new heights an even lie that they know everything that wiki is true to the bone (which most arnt)…an cite an make up random an fake alibies just to get there Bias favoring (opinion) across. lol ## An 6 Pages? Some have pass 50 pages so what are you talking about? ## Again conspiracy? I’ll describe things an impliment better in how the (Past) of pretty much every continent, culture, reigon has recorded basically the (majority out come) an all of a sudden people are giving drop dead opinions like its a done deal by enphinsize-ing, Oh tigers always won by this entire culture, or this reigon had recorded that the tiger won 80% of the time, or this continent had said that the tiger never lost to the lion…well I got some bad news for everyone who speaking out there ass… Where’s the Proof??? ## lol You take one book or one hear say, than you want others to belive for hundreds an thousands of years that the lion never beat the tiger.. or even lost more? lol That aint happening with the amount of Historical significance is wagered on the Libra scale, which no one brings anything of quality an quanity to prove other wise…yet I try…lets see now… ## Now, this (Post) is soley on the favoring of what “Countrys” favor a winner of lion vs tiger in a (Fight)??? Not What country has either or just used on coat of arms, or emblems because of (Native idenitys)… No, just what country has the direct dipliction an implimation of one or the other defeating the other in a remnent, scripture, sculpture, painting, etching, statue, an any type of (visual reading or pictorial artifact). Which would show a winning course, a advantage, a kill move, a leverage in the art-deco it self… that is under-standable or agree-able the it is portraying an evident winner. ## So lets get started… Inida:-(Indegidous to lions an tigers) India the lion is known as the King of the beast, not the tiger. [The Archetypal Symbolism of Animals: Lectures Given at the C.G. Jung ... - Barbara Hannah - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=o5eTQnIUF88C&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=lion+tiger+greece+fight&source=bl&ots=ZDLb53pWWs&sig=wsLpq5pgJ_I0MRW0Uv7cMBqBA1k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FnEXUN_UKsSKrAHT-IDoCw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA<br>); Indian folklore has the lion as the ultimate test not tigers. [http://www.wild-india.com/IndianAnimals/indian-lion.html](http://www.wild-india.com/IndianAnimals/indian-lion.html) [![](https://www.grosvenorprints.com/jpegs/1148.jpg) ](https://www.grosvenorprints.com/jpegs/1148.jpg) [![](https://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand_victor_eugene_delacr/kampf_loewe_tiger_hi.jpg) ](https://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand_victor_eugene_delacr/kampf_loewe_tiger_hi.jpg) [![](http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1342914/lion-images-02.jpg) ](http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1342914/lion-images-02.jpg) [![](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/23576/23576-h/images/quads054.jpg) ](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/23576/23576-h/images/quads054.jpg) - Rome:-(Importaions as far back as the 9th century) City In Greece the lion not the tiger is the King of the beast… [Kull: Exile of Atlantis - Robert E. Howard - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=b-ubyslaBRMC&pg=PT17&lpg=PT17&dq=lion+fight+tiger+atlantis&source=bl&ots=wyRf4_FGem&sig=akzO_ZFN27A7E9MdxjpjQ-g2YUw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zZsTUOnoFdSpqQGFg4HIAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ<br>); “Next, the arena was lowered to feature combat between them as lions tore apart tigers, an went up against bears, croc’s leopards against wolves. It goes without saying that the Romans had never heard of animal rights. ~Ken Spiro; WorldPerfect [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x31HZk47L.\_BO2,204,203,200\_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76\_AA300\_SH20\_OU01\_.jpg](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x31HZk47L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg) [http://kenspiro.com/images/STORE\_crashcourseBOOK.png](http://kenspiro.com/images/STORE_crashcourseBOOK.png) Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion standing over a prostrate tiger. [Art in the Hellenistic Age - Jerome Jordan Pollitt - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=vt9JwsNcKzwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=lion+tiger+faun&source=bl&ots=isc59w57MT&sig=EYFviHdwZOCiZa-eQuPmGwQcEbc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA) [http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2327160149\_b2c00365d3.jpg](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2327160149_b2c00365d3.jpg) lion kills tiger in Roman arena [http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books-2.png](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books-2.png) [http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books\_003-3.png](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books_003-3.png) And slew before their wond’ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, … [http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ](http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ) \ [lion+statue+cope.jpg (image)](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KfXm6QzlOl4/SX-JaFClajI/AAAAAAAAApQ/m_sqELU4ZGk/s1600-h/lion+statue+cope.jpg) [http://www.empyraeum-antiquaria.de/ebay/graf/2609\_11/2609\_5\_1.jpg](http://www.empyraeum-antiquaria.de/ebay/graf/2609_11/2609_5_1.jpg) [http://www.royalathena.com/media/Under2500/Roman/GMS021.jpg](http://www.royalathena.com/media/Under2500/Roman/GMS021.jpg) [http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/F1431805/F1431805101.jpg](http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/F1431805/F1431805101.jpg) [http://www.dargate.com/cat/268/86.jpg](http://www.dargate.com/cat/268/86.jpg) > **[Antiquated Decorative Antiques - Petworth](https://antiquated.co.uk)** > > Antiquated Decorative Antiques: Vintage rocking horses,18th 19th and 20th century furniture, shabby chic. Find us at The Petworth Antiques Market in West Sussex [![](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KfXm6QzlOl4/SX-JaFClajI/AAAAAAAAApQ/m_sqELU4ZGk/s1600-h/lion+statue+cope.jpg) ](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KfXm6QzlOl4/SX-JaFClajI/AAAAAAAAApQ/m_sqELU4ZGk/s1600-h/lion+statue+cope.jpg) > **[R. S. Johnson Fine Art](http://www.rsjohnsonfineart.com/exception/info)** [http://www.finerareprints.com/animals/gervais/17281.jpg](http://www.finerareprints.com/animals/gervais/17281.jpg) - Japan:-(Importations as far back as the 16th century) This episode is a pantomime about a lion and a tiger. They fight each other and the lion catches the tiger in the end. This episode is originated from topographical characteristics of Mt. Baek at Suyeong. When a big lion appears in dancing, a tiger (called “Dambo”) comes. They dance and talk back and forth. In the end, the lion catches the tiger. [http://www.suyeongminsok.or.kr/eng/menu01\_02.php<br>](http://www.suyeongminsok.or.kr/eng/menu01_02.php<br>); [http://japanantiques.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/-652503307253362890.jpg](http://japanantiques.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/-652503307253362890.jpg) [http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/05/15/news/photos\_galleries/G3061\_photo06.jpg](http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/05/15/news/photos_galleries/G3061_photo06.jpg) [http://www.artvalue.com/image.aspx?PHOTO\_ID=2978976](http://www.artvalue.com/image.aspx?PHOTO_ID=2978976) \ [http://p2.la-img.com/867/21134/7214125\_1\_l.jpg](http://p2.la-img.com/867/21134/7214125_1_l.jpg) \ [![](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1219/1462892476_1d40ea432f_z.jpg?zz=1) ](https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1219/1462892476_1d40ea432f_z.jpg?zz=1) [http://www.eliteauction.com/catalogues/060411/images/296\_1.jpg[IMG]](http://www.eliteauction.com/catalogues/060411/images/296_1.jpg%5BIMG%5D) [img][http://img.carters.com.au/134770-tn.jpg](http://img.carters.com.au/134770-tn.jpg) - Armenia:-(Indigedous to the Caispian tiger an asiatic lion)\ The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east\ [Scribner's Monthly, an Illustrated Magazine for the People - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=j8hZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA563&lpg=PA563&dq=lion+fights+combat+tiger++dead+abu&source=bl&ots=Fdgs65WC2_&sig=H7vWueW753wdCAb9rkRSImuqoKs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA) \ [http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009\_04/08/0003/147355/147355\_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4\_-1\_273.Jpeg](http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009_04/08/0003/147355/147355_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg) ## \ Peru:-(Importations of all sub-speices of lions and tigers)\ lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928\ [![](https://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount4.jpg) ](https://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount4.jpg) \ [http://www.raden-saleh.org/enlionsandtigerfighting.jpg](http://www.raden-saleh.org/enlionsandtigerfighting.jpg) ## \ British:-(Once had Cave lions later as early as King henry the first imported lions an tigers from around the world) [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/19300/19308v.jpg](http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/19300/19308v.jpg) [http://www.monstermedals.com/ekmps/shops/monstermedals/images/seringapatam-medal-1799-bronze-426-p.jpg](http://www.monstermedals.com/ekmps/shops/monstermedals/images/seringapatam-medal-1799-bronze-426-p.jpg) [![](https://ylovebigcats.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lion_tiger.jpg) ](https://ylovebigcats.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lion_tiger.jpg) [![](https://www.grosvenorprints.com/jpegs/6445.jpg) ](https://www.grosvenorprints.com/jpegs/6445.jpg) [![](http://lh4.ggpht.com/_LlfXWxcpJyU/S90EuAIm5pI/AAAAAAAAelY/-5Dy65n0ChI/Fullscreen%20capture%2002052010%20054713.bmp_thumb%5B3%5D.jpg) ](http://lh4.ggpht.com/_LlfXWxcpJyU/S90EuAIm5pI/AAAAAAAAelY/-5Dy65n0ChI/Fullscreen%20capture%2002052010%20054713.bmp_thumb%5B3%5D.jpg) [http://maxentius.lamoneta.it/Immagini/MudieSeries/Mudie\_7.jpg](http://maxentius.lamoneta.it/Immagini/MudieSeries/Mudie_7.jpg) - Germany:-(Once had lions on there boarder lines of Russian sythians of siberian tigers an asiatic lions) [http://www.artvalue.com/photos/auction/0/44/44618/slevogt-max-1868-1932-germany-kampf-zwischen-lowe-und-tiger-2088424.jpg](http://www.artvalue.com/photos/auction/0/44/44618/slevogt-max-1868-1932-germany-kampf-zwischen-lowe-und-tiger-2088424.jpg) - North Africa:-(Indidgedous to African lions joining in parts to India of where lions and tigers territorys overlapped) [![](http://www.huma3.com/repository/reviews/afterdelacroix.jpg) ](http://www.huma3.com/repository/reviews/afterdelacroix.jpg) [http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/eugene\_delacroix/lion\_savaging\_tiger\_hi.jpg](http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/eugene_delacroix/lion_savaging_tiger_hi.jpg) [![](http://storage.canalblog.com/22/68/119589/21241443.jpg) ](http://storage.canalblog.com/22/68/119589/21241443.jpg) - China:-(Indidegous to the Asian tiger, Afghanistan sent lions to Chinese emperors as gifts in order to get the right to trade with Silk Road merchants. (205 B.C. to 220 A.D in China) and during the Tang Dynasty (716-907 A.D.)) Lion fighting a nian who the tiger couldent. > **[Kung Fu Nottiningham, Praying Mantis Kung Fu, Yang Tai Chi, Lion Dance, Self...](https://www.martialartsofchina.com)** > > Here you can learn Seven Star Praying Mantis Kung Fu, Yang Family Tai Chi, Traditional Chinese Lion Dance, realistic self defence, Nottingham Tai Chi, Wollaton, Bramcote, Beeston, surrounding area A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes." ~Peoples Daily Online [![](https://img.antiquesreporter.com.au/110626BNSY/388.jpg) ](https://img.antiquesreporter.com.au/110626BNSY/388.jpg) [http://www.christies.com/lotfinderimages/d19958/d1995873r.jpg](http://www.christies.com/lotfinderimages/d19958/d1995873r.jpg) [![](https://img.antiquesreporter.com.au/120527BNSY/168.jpg) ](https://img.antiquesreporter.com.au/120527BNSY/168.jpg) [http://www.signature-antiquite.com/content/product\_2823291b.jpg](http://www.signature-antiquite.com/content/product_2823291b.jpg) [http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8971/dbbronzelion1ky1.jpg](http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8971/dbbronzelion1ky1.jpg) [http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7280/bronzelion1bb1.jpg](http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7280/bronzelion1bb1.jpg) [http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af316/NIHONTOAUSTRALIA/EBAY%2003%2009%202011/DSC09790.jpg](http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af316/NIHONTOAUSTRALIA/EBAY%2003%2009%202011/DSC09790.jpg) - America:-(Only importations) [http://movieart.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/full-darkestafrica-1sh.jpg](http://movieart.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/full-darkestafrica-1sh.jpg) [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61pwwRAdwJL.\_SL500\_AA300\_.jpg](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61pwwRAdwJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) [http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/lostjunglelobby.JPG](http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/lostjunglelobby.JPG) [http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8/4/1/7/7/webimg/543364200\_tp.jpg](http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8/4/1/7/7/webimg/543364200_tp.jpg) - London:-(Once had European lions later just Importations has had Kings pitted lions an tigers for Royalty) [http://www.historytoday.com/sites/default/files/rb\_fight.jpg](http://www.historytoday.com/sites/default/files/rb_fight.jpg) [http://www.wildabouttheworld.com/gallery/data//519/medium/LM00831lion-tiger.jpg](http://www.wildabouttheworld.com/gallery/data//519/medium/LM00831lion-tiger.jpg) [http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/images/paintings/wgm/large/mer\_wgm\_2867\_large.jpg](http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/images/paintings/wgm/large/mer_wgm_2867_large.jpg) - Russia:-(Indigedous to the Siberian tiger once had asiatic lions in the south east reigons of Russia) [http://s017.radikal.ru/i412/1111/d4/d0f7f24c0398.jpg](http://s017.radikal.ru/i412/1111/d4/d0f7f24c0398.jpg) - - Clearly there’s no animal more used in heraldry than the lion. The GEO (famous german science magazine) has examined which animal is used how many times in heraldry for each continent (in general). These were the results (Black=big cats): Showing lions are used in every continent while tigers only 2. [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/LweinderSymbolik.png](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/LweinderSymbolik.png) - - Now the thing is, do you have your own Opinion? Of course, thats the Beauty of it. You can belive it or not…what wont change is factual data, but you can always have your own opinion no matter what, if I belived in Jackjacksonj site, an have belived in 330 bullcrap lies, faked data an repeated accounts then I would have thought the tiger won more an the tiger killed the lion more, an the tiger is the superior animal, but did I? No, I used my own comprehending skills an noticed they were all edited to support a Bias opinion, which I (Proved with Proof) so I merely retaliated an did a —\>little…research of my own, an what you see before you was what came out of my own opinion, which has turned into solid data…but is it all my personal opinion? Nope, its just the data, I want to share for educational purposes, it seems like alot but really its 1/10th shorter than reading a 10 page book, which dosent some books have like 400-600 pages? I rest my case, an again as I said it dident take all that long to put together, its not so much the time, its the determination an the purpose, what I was fueld by was an awesome divine conjunction of…--------\> Libra [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011.md?page=14)