# Lion vs Tiger **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 9, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011 "2012-08-09T22:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/281 "2012-09-27T04:22:44Z")
> [@My\_Lord](#): > > - > > ## Oh, a Comedic type of Vote eh? well… [http://us6.memecdn.com/tiger-a-l-l-h-a-i-l-t-h-e-k-i-n-g\_o\_749348.jpg](http://us6.memecdn.com/tiger-a-l-l-h-a-i-l-t-h-e-k-i-n-g_o_749348.jpg) > > XD XD XD I’m sorry you feel that way My Lord, but the Ho Style, Rhoda-Lion with a worthless penis cannot win the day. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/282 "2012-09-27T04:31:28Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I’m sorry you feel that way My Lord, but the Ho Style, Rhoda-Lion with a worthless penis cannot win the day. - An I’m sorry you made your self look stupid. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/283 "2012-09-27T08:46:05Z")
Basically 14K views lol Just 2K more an that Sticky thread is going down! lol ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/284 "2012-09-27T08:49:53Z")
The tiger because he has to hunt for his meal. Male lions only fight with each other. ---
**Author:** ![robardin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@robardin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robardin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/285 "2012-09-27T13:44:12Z")
OK **My Lord** , can you do this research for me then: what about [Tigon](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiglon) vs. [Liger](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger)? ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/286 "2012-09-27T14:27:31Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I’m somewhat perturbed to find that the previous cites had not included incidents of fights between Mountain Lions and Tigers. I assumed My Lord was going through the trouble to tell us about fights between all Lions and all Tigers, not just some particular varieties. If his statistics do not include documented fights between Ant Lions and Tigers and Social Lions and Tigers then there is a clear skewing in favor of Lions. This is a little unfair, TriPolar. It would be difficult for My Lord to collect data of fights between Mountain Lions and Tigers, given that mountain lions inhabit the Americas and tigers are confined to Asia. This simply is not something that would occur in natural circumstances, so you can’t fault My Lord for not finding examples of this. He did provide a cite for a Mountain Lion pwning a jaguar, which is the closest thing you’ll find to a tiger in the Americas. But the point you are implying is certainly valid: what is needed here is a comprehensive meta analysis comparing ALL species of lions and tigers. > [@Indian](#): > > I think My Lord has partly addressed this in #173 in reply to #172. With all due respect to My Lord, he did not really answer the question. He merely acknowledged that indeed lions do have poor family values, but rationalized this by saying that humans have and still do behave in the same intolerable way. No argument there, I just think we can expect more from the lion community. The males need to start helping with the cubs and doing half of the hunting. And the family should all eat together, at the same time. > [@Shagnasty](#): > > I went through all of your cites over the last several days and I am willing to concede now that a regular lion can consistently beat a tiger in a cage match or even a wild match. > > However, this new wrinkle of a mountain lion being able to kill a bear is a little much. You say that mountain lions are the most adaptable of all cats. That may be true but bears are no slacker in that regard either. Have you ever seen Grizzly Adams or Gentle Ben? > > Mountain lions simply aren’t all that big. The bear outweighs one by hundreds of pounds and has a much longer reach combined with much bigger claws. I even played with a mountain lion cub once and whipped his ass real good when he decided to start play fighting. I would like to know more about a mountain lion versus a bear before I make any firm declarations but I don’t see how that how that could be true. Shagnasty, your logic is all wrong. As My Lord pointed out, size is not everything when it comes to winning a fight. If size was all that mattered, then [these people](http://www.oddee.com/item_98150.aspx)would take over the world. ---
**Author:** ![misskrystalx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@misskrystalx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misskrystalx)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2012, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/287 "2012-09-28T21:46:30Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > 😕 > > So, is My Lord a sock for qbadger? Why is no one else catching this? ---
**Author:** ![Heart\_of\_a\_lion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e57/32.png) [@Heart\_of\_a\_lion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heart_of_a_lion)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/288 "2012-09-29T00:54:44Z")
Lion is the badest animal on the planet !! ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/289 "2012-09-29T02:44:52Z")
> [@Heart\_of\_a\_lion](#): > > Lion is the badest animal on the planet !! No, not even close. We are talking about the players in the minor leagues here. A hippopotamus will destroy any animal discussed in this thread and not even think twice about it. Lions and hippos live in the same range. People like lions because they are pretty but you never want to get mixed up with a hippo and lions know that. I would like to see some cites on lion versus hippo fights. You can’t do the math on the percentage wins because division by zero may cause the universe to explode. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/290 "2012-09-29T17:53:09Z")
I think that My Lord’s 2003 computer must have finally crashed. If he had internet access, I am certain that he would be providing numerous cites of lions annihilating hippos. There is a reason that Hippos are not referred to as King of the Beasts. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/291 "2012-10-01T09:37:03Z")
Reader’s Digest concluded that the common shrew is the meanest animal on earth decades ago. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/292 "2012-12-29T20:50:20Z")
26,000 views? Not to shabby, havent posted in a while a bit busy…but noticed a few pop ups of new info from here an there. Sorry no new com yet, but it’ll come later in due time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/293 "2012-12-29T21:33:30Z")
A key responce of early on posting to Tri-Polars gesture of Clyde beatty…I figure I show a little more on clydes credability of his quote here…Mr. Clyde Beatty, said lions will win 9/10 against tigers in a fight. [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books-83.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books-83.jpg) as stated he was giving his opinion upoun experince of well over 40 years of this… [http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/560/The-God-Father-Animal-Trainer-Clyde-Beatty](http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/560/The-God-Father-Animal-Trainer-Clyde-Beatty) …which as you can see ^^^ he had the biggest (Mix) acts of lions and tigers in modern history, so his opinion should have a little higher weight to it, not to mention the media who documented all the casualties of his accidental lion and tiger fights, which apperently ended in the victor usually going to the lion…here some are in chronological order… {1933} 2 tigers died, In the the big cage which was aired on 1933 in this 1962 article Clyde mentions 3 tigers were used an 2 were killed by his lion - [![](http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2_r.jpg) ](http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2_r.jpg) This is the movie [http://www.frequency.com/video/big-cage-lion-vs-tiger-good-quality/19567532](http://www.frequency.com/video/big-cage-lion-vs-tiger-good-quality/19567532) {1935} Clyde beatty Sikestonians saw a lion kill a siberian tiger in a local town circus act.(Documentary) > **[Danville Bee Newspaper Archives, Sep 16, 1935, p. 1](https://newspaperarchive.com/danville-bee-sep-16-1935-p-1/)** > > Read Danville Bee Newspaper Archives, Sep 16, 1935, p. 1 with family history and genealogy records from danville, virginia 1922-1977. {1936} Clyde beatty 18 tigers killed by lions1936 > **[Popular Mechanics](https://books.google.com/books?id=C9sDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA37&dq=lion%2Bkills%2Btiger%2Bclyde%2Bbeatty&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5dmeUPWYBKjkiwL5moGgCA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ)** > > Popular Mechanics inspires, instructs and influences readers to help them master the modern world. Whether it’s practical DIY home-improvement tips, gadgets and digital technology, information on the newest cars or the latest breakthroughs in science... {1939} Clyde beatty 25 tigers were killed by his lions 1939 > **[Popular Mechanics](https://books.google.com/books?id=vNsDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA564&dq=since%2BI%2Bfirst%2Bbegan%2Bmixing%2Bthe%2Btwo%2Bspecies%2Bpopular%2Bmechanics&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fOWeUPS_E8zSigKRu4CQAw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA)** > > Popular Mechanics inspires, instructs and influences readers to help them master the modern world. Whether it’s practical DIY home-improvement tips, gadgets and digital technology, information on the newest cars or the latest breakthroughs in science... {1941} Clyde beatty’s Lion kills Puna the male tiger [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-80.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-80.jpg) [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-81.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-81.jpg) {1944} twice sprang upon tigers, killing each one almost instantly 1944 > **[Fauna](https://books.google.com/books?id=pzlBAAAAYAAJ&q=lion%2Bkills%2Btiger%2Bclyde%2Bbeatty&dq=lion%2Bkills%2Btiger%2Bclyde%2Bbeatty&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MNyeUNOzJsisiAKSkIDQBw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAzgU)** {1947} Clyde beatty 2 lions kill tiger 1947 > **[Billboard](https://books.google.com/books?id=fiAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA54&dq=lion%2Bkills%2Btiger%2Bclyde%2Bbeatty&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5dmeUPWYBKjkiwL5moGgCA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA)** > > In its 114th year, Billboard remains the world's premier weekly music publication and a diverse digital, events, brand, content and data licensing platform. Billboard publishes the most trusted charts and offers unrivaled reporting about the latest... {1950} Clyde beatty lion kills tiger 1950 > **[Billboard](https://books.google.com/books?id=3h4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA50&dq=lion%2Bkills%2Btiger%2Bclyde%2Bbeatty&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5dmeUPWYBKjkiwL5moGgCA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg)** > > In its 114th year, Billboard remains the world's premier weekly music publication and a diverse digital, events, brand, content and data licensing platform. Billboard publishes the most trusted charts and offers unrivaled reporting about the latest... {1951} Clyde beatty lion kills another tiger 1951 > **[Billboard](https://books.google.com/books?id=Oh8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA50&dq=lion%2Bkills%2Btiger%2Bclyde%2Bbeatty&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5dmeUPWYBKjkiwL5moGgCA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBA)** > > In its 114th year, Billboard remains the world's premier weekly music publication and a diverse digital, events, brand, content and data licensing platform. Billboard publishes the most trusted charts and offers unrivaled reporting about the latest... lion saves clyde beatty > **[Billboard](https://books.google.com/books?id=Ow4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT72&dq=lion%2Bkills%2Btiger%2Bclyde%2Bbeatty&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5dmeUPWYBKjkiwL5moGgCA&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCQ)** > > In its 114th year, Billboard remains the world's premier weekly music publication and a diverse digital, events, brand, content and data licensing platform. Billboard publishes the most trusted charts and offers unrivaled reporting about the latest... I think on a specific note, I think Clyde is as creditable as it gets…he often captured wild lions and tigers “himself” so most would have been as close as it gets in terms of there own accord, they fought basically on there own terms lunge-ing when they see’d fit…not so much like a pit fight where there would be less of there inner ambitions come-ing into play. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/294 "2012-12-29T22:43:44Z")
Hmm? I just noticed when I did the different cultrual dipliction’s, there was really not at all that much…lol, no new com yet to have something substantialy larger in terms of data, but I can at-least show a better profounding evidential substance that covers more on a specific cultruals preserving in its historical documentation…which is the Romans… ## The Roman Empires Venatio’s ## #1Jewish remnet’s preserved scripture’s translated to English on a history of Rome threw the jewish eye’s… “Next, the arena was lowered to feature combat between them as lions tore apart tigers, an went up against bears, croc’s leopards against wolves. It goes without saying that the Romans had never heard of animal rights.” ~Ken Spiro; WorldPerfect [The Jewish Impact On The World | History | Society and Life](http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewishimpactontheworld/) #2.Rome Italy, Lion killing tiger Historical artifact 17th-18th century… [http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2327160149\_b2c00365d3.jpg](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2327160149_b2c00365d3.jpg) > **[Vakuum-Beutel mit Druckverschluss in 5 Grössen](https://www.zeug24.ch/products/vakuum-beutel-druckverschluss)** > > Mit Druckverschluss und Absaugöffnung für luftdichte Aufbewahrung. Bekannt als Tangan 61 und 62. Bei uns jederzeit ✔️ erhältlich. This ^ Exhibition was organized by the Napoleonic authorities in the Capitol in Rome. ## ^Born in Bohemia, Johan Wenzel Peter made his artistic career in Rome. There, he became the most popular animalist painter of his time. In the villa Borghese he painted frescoes of over 160 animals and participated in the decoration of Palazzo Chigi and Palazzo Altieri. At the beginning of the XIXth century, Peter enjoyed an international fame. After his death, pope Gregory XVI purchased eleven works still in his workshop, among which was the monumental Garden of Eden (Vatican Museums) #3.The Memoirs of Cleopatra “They took on tigers, bulls, and wild boars. Usually the lion won. page 284” {BOOK} [http://jacketupload.macmillanusa.com/jackets/high\_res/jpgs/9780312187453.jpg](http://jacketupload.macmillanusa.com/jackets/high_res/jpgs/9780312187453.jpg) ## [The Memoirs of Cleopatra: A Novel - Margaret George - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=aMDoC0qKRwcC&pg=PA284&dq=the+memoirs+of+cleopatra+usually+the+lion+won+page+284&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MyOLUM_0HsGuigKhg4DAAg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA) #4.Rome lair of the lion that mangled a tiger 16th century [http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009\_04/08/0003/147355/147355\_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4\_-1\_273.Jpeg](http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009_04/08/0003/147355/147355_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg) ~Carl Borromäus Andreas Ruthart Died in Rome L’Aqulia Born the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, Carl Borromäus Andreas Ruthart travelled to Italy very early on. His trace can be found in Rome and Venice between 1652 and 1659. After finishing his apprenticeship, he came to work in Antwerp in order to perfect his knowledge. After going into the Church, he continued to paint a great number of profane subjects threw life held experinces such as extensive hunting scenes or animals fighting. It was only late in life, after retiring to a convent in the Abruzzo region, that Ruthart dedicated himself to celebrating the life of hermits and saints at prayer. - ## #5. “Another subspecies very closely related to the Asian lion - the Barbary lion or Panthera leo leo - became extinct in the wild in 1922 (in Morocco). This animal the Barbary lion had been the dominant animal in the blood sports of the Roman arenas.” ~Martin Seyer’s dissertation (synopsis), Vienna University. ## #6 Tiger territory, a site dedicated of 200 page’s of information to the tiger has studyed the Roman history of tiger’s which is on [lairweb.com](http://lairweb.com) has stated tiger’s were reluctant to enter combat as much as lion’s greeted foe’s in the arena, also proven in same concept of everland’s video’s how male lion’s show high agression at time’s an drive off tiger’s proclaiming there natrual dominant trait’s. [http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/atrox\_photo/nuevo/roma.jpg](http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/atrox_photo/nuevo/roma.jpg) [Tiger Territory. The Internet's most massive information and tiger photograph resource.](http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/) #7.Roman Royal Athena of a lion with a death grip on a tiger [http://www.royalathena.com/media/Under2500/Roman/GMS021.jpg](http://www.royalathena.com/media/Under2500/Roman/GMS021.jpg) - #8“The amphitheatre had grown so still, that the clear melody of the flute was distinctly audible over the whole vast space. As soon as the disturbance ceased, the king of the beast, apparently untroubled by the new visitor, returned to his food. But the cowardice, peculiar to nocturnal beasts in the daylight, awoke in the tiger. He beheld in the shrieking multitude friends of the flute-player, and seeing the lion eating, seized the nearest piece of meat. But with a single bound the lion sprang forward, roaring loudly, to defend his property. The tiger’s claws clutched the lion’s and a fierce struggle began. The lion aimed terrible blows at his antagonist, which the tiger avoided with marvelous skill; the tiger’s teeth seized the lion’s mane, but at the same instant the latter tore off with his claws from the upper part of the tiger’s head half the skin, from which an eat and a broad trail of blood upon the sand, the tiger returned to his cage, where he howled piteously. The grating was raised, and soon only a faint whining was audible. Either the animal was dying, or the keepers had stupefied him to be able to cure him. The lion stood fiercely over his prey, which no one now disputed.” [![](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books-2.png) ](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books-2.png) [![](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books_003-3.png) ](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books_003-3.png) - #9.Roman sculpture of a lion biting the throat of a tiger… [http://www.dargate.com/cat/268/86.jpg](http://www.dargate.com/cat/268/86.jpg) - ## #10. Lost Atlantis Or the Great Deluge of All And slew before their wond’ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, … [http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ](http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ) ## #11.Statue near the coloiseum in Nepal of a lion over comeing a tiger… [lion+statue+cope.jpg (image)](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KfXm6QzlOl4/SX-JaFClajI/AAAAAAAAApQ/m_sqELU4ZGk/s1600-h/lion+statue+cope.jpg) ## #12.The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east [Scribner's Monthly, an Illustrated Magazine for the People - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=j8hZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA563&lpg=PA563&dq=lion+fights+combat+tiger++dead+abu&source=bl&ots=Fdgs65WC2_&sig=H7vWueW753wdCAb9rkRSImuqoKs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AewAA) [http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009\_04/08/0003/147355/147355\_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4\_-1\_273.Jpeg](http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009_04/08/0003/147355/147355_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg) #13.Lion defeating tiger in combat Royal Emperyium of Rome… Copper engraving by the well listed Italian artist Pietro Aquila (1650-1692 Rome). [http://www.empyraeum-antiquaria.de/ebay/graf/2609\_11/2609\_5\_1.jpg](http://www.empyraeum-antiquaria.de/ebay/graf/2609_11/2609_5_1.jpg) - #14Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion standing over a prostrate tiger. Now," whispered Marcus, " the charm is broken ;" and at the same instant, the lion was seen bounding towards him with prodigious leaps. This time he swerved not as before from his course, and in an instant he was seen crouching quietly at the feet of the old man. A pause of astonishment held the spectators breathless for an instant; then “A miracle! a prodigy.!” burst from a thousand tongues, in every part of the amphitheatre. The Emperor liked not this; and at a private signal from him a tiger was turned out upon the arena. The lion instantly recovered his fierceness—his loud, deep roar sounded like thunder—his mane bristled, and his eye flashed fire. The tiger came leaping towards them, but was instantly met by the ravenous lion. The contest was fierce, but it was short. The short snarl of the tiger was heard, mingling with the deep roar of the lion—now they appeared like two wrestlers erect, and closely embraced in their desperate struggles —and now rolling together upon the. sand, and half buried under the cloud that their struggles raised about them. There was sudden leaping back and forth, as each tried to gain some advantage in a new attack. Gradually however the contest seemed becoming less violent; and as the cloud of sand subsided, the lion was seen standing over the prostrate tiger, his teeth buried in his throat, from which he was evidently draining the blood to satisfy his ravenous appetite; while the tiger, by the feebleness of his occasional struggles, which gradually became only convulsive efforts, and terminated in what appeared a mere spasmodic shiver of the limbs, showed how complete was the victory of his foe. The emperor would gladly have ordered fresh beasts to be turned in; but the clamor of the superstitious mob was so loud, that the emperor, who was unwilling to give offence to the people so soon upon his first visit, thought proper to consent. “It is the will of the gods—it is the will of the gods!” was shouted on every side. The Emperor yielded reluctantly to the will, not of the gods, but of the people, and the old man was removed unharmed. The spectacle closed. The people rose—while the Emperor retired, and the confused hum and noise of a retiring crowd was heard. For my own part, I involuntarily exclaimed, as the old man was led safely away “I thank the gods for this!” ## [Art in the Hellenistic Age - Jerome Jordan Pollitt - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=vt9JwsNcKzwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=lion+tiger+faun&source=bl&ots=isc59w57MT&sig=EYFviHdwZOCiZa-eQuPmGwQcEbc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA) ## #15 Lion kills tiger saving man… [Museums and Their Development: The European Tradition 1700-1900 - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=4ILtFslJTDQC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lion+and+tiger+sculpture+italy&source=bl&ots=_zZtRj-Xbt&sig=oeLY3wwRpGtG6PCWb1OlQ64zL6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw) ## #16 Decapitating ostriches with crescent-headed arrows was a favorite trick at gladiator battles. The crowds cheered and roared with laughter as the ostrich continued to run around after its head was cut off. Bears usually defeated bulls. Packs of hounds easily dispatched deers. [Lions usually defeated tigers.] Not even a rhino could penetrate the hide of an elephant. [http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=2061&catid=56&subcatid=369](http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=2061&catid=56&subcatid=369) ## #17 Storia di David Lazzaretti, profeta di Arcidosso By Filippo Imperiuzzi, Davide Lazzaretti Lion kills tiger an 6 other beast You can use google trans;ate to translate it, or I’ll do it later, [http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=leone+combatte+tigre&sig=w0d\_xOxENMM5iCcMi\_RkMsgO4uk&ei=y-drUPuaKIWUjALxrID4Cw&id=xAwuAAAAYAAJ&ie=ISO-8859-1&ots=l7uQE-uEp2&output=html\_text](http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=leone+combatte+tigre&sig=w0d_xOxENMM5iCcMi_RkMsgO4uk&ei=y-drUPuaKIWUjALxrID4Cw&id=xAwuAAAAYAAJ&ie=ISO-8859-1&ots=l7uQE-uEp2&output=html_text) #18 Latin artifact of a lion that killed a tiger [http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/F1431805/F1431805101.jpg](http://prints-4-u.com/store/images/F1431805/F1431805101.jpg) Phaedrus (Greek: É\>=Éø?ɬɜÉÕV), (c. 444 BC – 393 BC), an Athenian aristocrat depicted prominently in Plato’s dialogues - #19 Greek statue of a lion killing a tiger… > **[Antiquated Decorative Antiques - Petworth](https://antiquated.co.uk)** > > Antiquated Decorative Antiques: Vintage rocking horses,18th 19th and 20th century furniture, shabby chic. Find us at The Petworth Antiques Market in West Sussex - #20 Artifact from Rome Italy of a lion defeating a tiger > **[R. S. Johnson Fine Art](http://www.rsjohnsonfineart.com/exception/info)** - #21 To the Romans the lion is the King of the beast. [Kull: Exile of Atlantis - Robert E. Howard - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=b-ubyslaBRMC&pg=PT17&lpg=PT17&dq=lion+fight+tiger+atlantis&source=bl&ots=wyRf4_FGem&sig=akzO_ZFN27A7E9MdxjpjQ-g2YUw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zZsTUOnoFdSpqQGFg4HIAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ<br>); - ## #22 the lion usually always wins Multi-Party Litigation: The Strategic Context By Wayne V. McIntosh, Cynthia L. Cates [Multi-Party Litigation: The Strategic Context - Wayne V. McIntosh, Cynthia L. Cates - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=ml_GFGSg8U0C&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=Roman+lion+always+win&source=bl&ots=6_7U5QZG-T&sig=4cRSZCFP1vQFpbk5LlH7zTdS2mg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gsOFUL3vCMnjiAKbtYGoDg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA) Martial peters a Latin Poet [Riding the Tiger: Tiger Conservation in Human-Dominated Landscapes - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=dbQ8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=emperor+nero++lion+tiger+fight+death+kill&source=bl&ots=euzrmYMYQA&sig=4GgbeUBsMh_IRurZ5cDKg30RuKk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZKVnUJ6VMsmQiALC3ID4DQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg) ## #23 The lion is the mighty of beast The Book of Beasts: Being a Translation from a Latin Bestiary of the Twelfth By T. H. White [The Book of Beasts: Being a Translation from a Latin Bestiary of the Twelfth ... - Terence Hanbury White - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=ihy4APkOjioC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=lion+the+mightiest+of+all+beast&source=bl&ots=pG3yypC9vQ&sig=1X_O0dFMKqXR2DTaZc0WekoaRe0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WdKFUO3cBIagiQLC14GIDg&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ) #24 Cicero mentions a single lion that won 200 Bestariis [A London Encyclopaedia, Or Universal Dictionary of Science, Art, Literature ... - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=Un9MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=lion+kills+200+men+amphitheater&source=bl&ots=LKGgqr1QTP&sig=RaWDscaKAXAwPZHMidlvTc4lyko&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Y9WFUP3FOaf1iwKQwoDoAw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg) ## #25 lions usually finished off tigers. But not even the ferocious charge of the rhinoceros could penetrate the thick hide of the elephant. The afternoon brought more variety ~U.S. News & World Report, Volume 130 [U.S. News & World Report - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=h0AvAAAAYAAJ&q=Lions+usually+defeated+tigers.+Not+even+a+rhino+could+penetrate+the+hide+of+an+elephant.&dq=Lions+usually+defeated+tigers.+Not+even+a+rhino+could+penetrate+the+hide+of+an+elephant.&source=bl&ots=DAU6oX1JJC&sig=zhkFMeZP58PPRk4xdmlMtkfWvpY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oByHUIfpEMrhigKu4ID4Ag&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA) ## #26 Annual Editions: Western Civilization, Volume 1, 13/e, Volume 1 Nothing was wasted in the ancient world: not an abandoned baby, not the cloth that kept the ragpicker in business… not even the grains of barley in … wonldjvin, parks of hnnnrk always beat herds of deer, bears withstood bulls, and lions usually finished off tigers. [Western Civilization - Robert L. Lembright - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=3MCpCgh4fcMC&q=Lions+usually+defeated+tigers.+Not+even+a+rhino+could+penetrate+the+hide+of+an+elephant.&dq=Lions+usually+defeated+tigers.+Not+even+a+rhino+could+penetrate+the+hide+of+an+elephant.&source=bl&ots=yEt2I60bW8&sig=RRr6H2xhpuPPzmJgLdcXfGO3Kw4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oByHUIfpEMrhigKu4ID4Ag&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg) #27A German Archeologist has disphered a Greek remnent that protained to a venatio event of a free for all fight amoungs beast an men, having a lion kill 2 tigers… Von bubna und littitz Von wo der larm zu ihm drang, dorthin ritt er schnell, Auch wenn sein pferd scheute und saumte. An dem tosenden ort rang ein lowen im duell, Der sich im kampf gegen zwei tiger aufbaumte Einem gegen Zwei man helfen musste, Sprach er, griff flink zur lanze und hehr, Eh das ungetrum von ihm wusste Stieb er in einen der tiger den speer das epos setzt nach den etablierten regeln ahnlich romantischer Ereignisse fort herman eilt, nachdem er den ersten tiger erlegt hatte, dem lowen im kampf mit dem zweiten tiger zu hilfe, nur dass der lowen in der zwischenzeit den tiger totet und sich aus dankbarkeit, uber und uber mit blut bedeckt, seinem retter zu fuben legt. Bubna wascht und reinigt dessen wunden besteight darauf By Bubna and Littitz Where the larm reached him, there he rode quickly, Even when his horse shied and saumte. At one place the roaring lions wrestled in the duel, In the fight against two term aufbaumte Two against one had any help, Speech he attacked, nimbly lance and sublime, Eh the ungetrum he knew Stieb it into a term of the spear the epic is similar to the established rules on romantic events herman hurries after he had killed the first term, the lions in the battle with the second term to help, except that the lions in the meantime kills the tiger and is covered from gratitude, over and over with blood, his savior sets fuben to. Bubna washes and cleans the wounds besteight out [![](https://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=822602&t=w) ](https://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=822602&t=w) ## I’ll try an translate it better next time around. #28 Italian of Baglugs antiquitys of Rome [![](https://art.thewalters.org/images/art/thumbnails/pl2_542472_fnt_nf_h67.jpg) ](https://art.thewalters.org/images/art/thumbnails/pl2_542472_fnt_nf_h67.jpg) - #29 Another Baglug antique of Rome showing a lion svagaing the back of a tiger [http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009\_07/25/0283/660081/cc7fda06-eaf7-43b2-af13-fe609a6305cb\_g\_96.Jpeg](http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009_07/25/0283/660081/cc7fda06-eaf7-43b2-af13-fe609a6305cb_g_96.Jpeg) - #30 Latin printings of a lion with a death grip on a tiger… [http://www.finerareprints.com/animals/gervais/17281.jpg](http://www.finerareprints.com/animals/gervais/17281.jpg) - #31 Latin Ring Brooch of a lion defeating a tiger… [![](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W2x95hbQiGA/ToI5Xm_U8TI/AAAAAAAAF8c/eUCiToB-spc/s1600/ringbrooch.jpg) ](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W2x95hbQiGA/ToI5Xm_U8TI/AAAAAAAAF8c/eUCiToB-spc/s1600/ringbrooch.jpg) - ## #32 Fight In Italy Verona a lion defeats tiger… [The Gentleman's Magazine - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=y2OYNXvykVcC&pg=PA233&dq=sculpture+statue+lion+tiger+fight&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html) ## #33 In the amphitheater of Caerleon lions an tigers fought an there is a artifact of a lion killing a tiger for a antelope imprinted on a latin greek vase [Proceedings of the Clifton Antiquarian Club for ... - Clifton Antiquarian Club, Clifton, England (Gloucestershire), Clifton Antiquarian Club - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=igsOAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=lion+tiger+caerleon+fight+vase&source=bl&ots=irWQ_O9tpt&sig=O7bfHI5wJgw2c44Svxn9uxIO8RI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kaePULmoDYGIiwK794HYAw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAw) ## #34 [http://books.google.com/books?id=-GACAAAAQAAJ&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html\_text&pg=PA31&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&q=1+lion+the+tiger+and+the+traveller&cds=1&sig=ACfU3U0c6eXyVCRBUL9MJrDtE7BYPY9VSg&edge=0&edge=stretch&ci=156,105,680,511](http://books.google.com/books?id=-GACAAAAQAAJ&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text&pg=PA31&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&q=1+lion+the+tiger+and+the+traveller&cds=1&sig=ACfU3U0c6eXyVCRBUL9MJrDtE7BYPY9VSg&edge=0&edge=stretch&ci=156,105,680,511) A TIGER roaming for his prey, Sprang on a traveller in the way; A lion came to claim the prize And soon the greedy tiger dies. The man then knelt, his life to crave; His life the lion hero gave, And him bespoke,—" You saw the fight And must confess my power and might, Within these woods I reign alone, All other beasts my sway must own." “True,” said the man, "the strength 1 saw, All kinds of beasts full well might awe, ~Aesop (pronounced /?i¢?s?p/ EE-sop, Ancient Greek: Éü?É–É÷\ÉÕV, Aisÿpos, c. 620–564 BC) 35.No body doubted his courage in the ancient world and the romans thought him a brave and noble animal…in amphitheaters he always fought with style that gave credit to the desert…a tiger run an flees beofre the lion > **[Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine](https://books.google.com/books?id=Bx1lkqo4q8YC&pg=PA162&dq=lion%2Btiger%2Bancient%2B%2Bfights&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w-7dUMb8LYj-igKB9oH4DQ&ved=0CFQQ6AEwCA)** ---
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We did this years ago (Surprise!). I can’t search, so I’ll repeat a real-life incident at the San Francisco Zoo/ Both species are oused in an old building with a maze of sliding gates used to get an animal from one area to another. One day, some idiot opened one gate before closing another, and adult males were facing each other.If you think about how each cat is built and how each kills, the outcome is foregone. But, for the record: By the time they got the two apart, there was not much left of the tiger. The tiger sprints, runs down its prey, and kills with a bite through the neck. The lion charges head on and keeps it head back - using those tree-trunk fore legs to shred the opponent. The tiger, trying to bite an adult lion’s neck, gets a mouthful of mane. A lion charging a tiger head-on gets a soft belly - the tiger’s legs are great for quick sprints, but are useless as weapons (except against drunk asshole humans, as Tatiana demonstrated. Still miss her) I got this story from a zookeeper who was present at the time. We got to chatting because he was assigned to keep people away from the small cat section because they had just spayed a cougar and didn’t want her stressed. As I was the only one who came by that hour, we got to chatting (and he let me in - I love the small cats - esp. the Snow Leopards). Pro tip: now that cameras (yes, they’re film, but that’s not likely to ne noticed for our purposes) are dirt cheap, buy a large bagful and carry it with you - many people, when they figure you’re a serious photographer, will cut you some slack as to getting into off-limit areas. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/296 "2012-12-29T23:35:22Z")
So as you can see, there is a bit more covering Rome’s history of who they recorded winning more often then the other post, so I guess I’ll add more to India’s list as well, for again, there wasent all that much an this ought be a bit better in terms of quanity an quality for india… Indias historical records of Singh vs Shere khan #1 1936 Agartala zoo in bengal, a lion kills a male tiger. When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a very large tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.” (Local news report) #2 the lion takes over…only in 1972 was the tiger declared Indias national animal at last replacing the lion that was ruled so meaninglessly for more than 2,000 years. ~Forster and Further: The Tradition of Anglo-Indian Fiction By Sujit Mukherjee > **[School, Society, Nation](https://books.google.com/books?id=xYi3HztW19YC&pg=PA202&dq=tiger%2Bkailash%2Bsankhala%2Blion&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sqCRUJrREYbmiwLq2oDQDQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ)** > > This book is an anthology that deals with the problems and challenges of contemporary Indian education. This volume has 20 essays by eminent persons that discuss child-oriented ideas regarding curricula, books and the learning processes. Many writers... #3 To the Indians the lions are the King of the beast not tigers [The Archetypal Symbolism of Animals: Lectures Given at the C.G. Jung ... - Barbara Hannah - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=o5eTQnIUF88C&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=lion+tiger+greece+fight&source=bl&ots=ZDLb53pWWs&sig=wsLpq5pgJ_I0MRW0Uv7cMBqBA1k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FnEXUN_UKsSKrAHT-IDoCw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA<br>); #4 [![](https://www.grosvenorprints.com/jpegs/1148.jpg) ](https://www.grosvenorprints.com/jpegs/1148.jpg) #5 A lion kills a tiger in a pit fight on a palace compound of an indian maharajah prince in front of thousand’s this is not the gir fight. [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionvstigerfights.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionvstigerfights.jpg) ~ Tiger territory aka Lair web #6 3 Asiatic lions vs 3 bengal tigers, all lions won each occaision1 tiger died, lion # 2 mauled the big male tiger, [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/jBdpiIxMnMM/maxresdefault.jpg "lion versus tiger 1946 fight") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM) #7 [![](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/23576/23576-h/images/quads054.jpg) ](https://www.gutenberg.org/files/23576/23576-h/images/quads054.jpg) #8 Culture and Customs of India By Carol Henderson Garcia, Carol E. Henderso The lion is the King of the beast of Inidan culture… > **[Culture and Customs of India](https://books.google.com/books?id=CaRVePXX6vEC&pg=PA74&dq=India%2Basiatic%2Blion%2Bking%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bbeast&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EYuPUNLiL4PUiwKUsYHoDw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAg)** > > India and the Indian ways of life in the new century are freshly and comprehensively overviewed in this volume. This one-stop resource enables students and other interested readers to begin to understand the vast country with its population of one... #8 Asiatic lion defeats bengal tiger [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/1MRLYzRvYkE/hqdefault.jpg "Asiatic Lion vs Bengal Tiger") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRLYzRvYkE) #9 The lion in ancient india strips the title of the tiger in art an mythology [![](https://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/Lion-Tiger/LioninAncientIndia.jpg) ](https://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/Lion-Tiger/LioninAncientIndia.jpg) #10 Calcutta zooligical garden’s a lioness kills a adult male tiger (New’s article) [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg) [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg) [http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25](http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25) #11 TIGER: THE STORY OF THE INDIAN TIGER 1977 By well known Indian Zologist Kailash Sankhala. Saw 3 accasion’s lion’s defeated tigers in the wild. [![](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) ](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) #12 Jam sahib in india has wittnessed 4 fights having all lion defeat tiger’s published in 1927 in his book here… [![](http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg) ](http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg) Also in his summary, when he exploited keseri singh he point’s them out again here… [![](https://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg) ](https://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg) #13 1834 diary of a literature lion defeat’s tiger. [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/liondefeatstiger.png) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/liondefeatstiger.png) #14 Bob greene speak’s of an old video of local’s of india having a pit fight with a lion fighting a tiger, and the lion won, due to his mane… [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/books-2.png) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/books-2.png) #15 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” a lion killed a tiger witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s. ~(German new’s atricle) > **[Animal vs Animal-Velar Male Lion vs. Royal Bengal Tiger.(valauble/rare account)!](https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalsversesanimals/velar-male-lion-vs-royal-bengal-tiger-valauble-rar-t2388.html)** > > 31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”) A drama at the Ganges. I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, #16 [![](https://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand_victor_eugene_delacr/kampf_loewe_tiger_hi.jpg) ](https://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/ferdinand_victor_eugene_delacr/kampf_loewe_tiger_hi.jpg) #17 The Anvár-i Suhailí; or, The lights of Canopus lion kills several tigers When the tiger was seized by the lions claw, Death [http://books.google.com/books?id=QBi2OLju39gC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=lion+tiger+fight+suited+region&source=bl&ots=gzgy8hlxIc&sig=V2CHvhgzn4klwtkTgh1S2TNkzkg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vzNIUJL\_CpDtiQLn\_YDIBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ](http://books.google.com/books?id=QBi2OLju39gC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=lion+tiger+fight+suited+region&source=bl&ots=gzgy8hlxIc&sig=V2CHvhgzn4klwtkTgh1S2TNkzkg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vzNIUJL_CpDtiQLn_YDIBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ) #18 [http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1342914/lion-images-02.jpg](http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1342914/lion-images-02.jpg) #19 The Ramayana and Mahabharata: Abridged lion kills tiger in Indian woods… [The Ramayana and Mahabharata: Abridged - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=mw2WXDmhHcsC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=lion+slays+tiger+)'&source=bl&ots=iHa2S4CZhn&sig=cQqJxBtIkN5P8Z7rwB5oIAHlhko&hl=en&sa=X&ei=i7x3UPfIM4znigK2i4HwDw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA #20 Caviar and Cabbage [Book] Melvin B. Tolson . Tolson was the professor, poet and writer portrayed by Denzel Washington in The Great Debaters , which is based on a true story from 1935 America. Saying the title King doesent belong to the tiger, it belong’s to the lion for unity. [http://www.marcnorton.us/93588/102643.html](http://www.marcnorton.us/93588/102643.html) #21 The Children’s hour, Volumes 11-12 > **[The Children's Hour](https://books.google.com/books?id=9-kaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA166&lpg=RA1-PA166&dq=lions%2Bbetter%2Bfighters%2B%2Btigers&source=bl&ots=L2zJSGeZ1K&sig=BQZW9HO646T41rqopL0XjuYtleE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JJAxUK-LL8rTigLS-YGYBg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw)** > **[The Children's Hour](https://books.google.com/books?id=9-kaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA167&lpg=RA1-PA166&ots=L2zJSGeZ1K&dq=lions%2Bbetter%2Bfighters%2B%2Btigers&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html)** #22 . the lion not the tiger is the unbdisputed King of the forest > **[A Natural History of the Most Remarkable Quadrupeds, Birds, Fishes, Serpents,...](https://books.google.com/books?id=8icYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=lions%2Bundisputed%2Bfighter%2Btiger&source=bl&ots=Ay1UmC74cw&sig=TrqQL7rHRl7AXgskSoPbAmW9lHA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_5QxUOrNK8r2iwK2-ICwBQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA)** #23 Lion stale mates tiger, for mugal ruler The Asiatic journal and monthly miscellany, Volume 15 > **[Asiatic Journal and Monthly Register for British and Foreign India, China and...](https://books.google.com/books?id=Fa1AAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA34&dq=asiatic%2Blion%2Bking%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bbeast&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZYmPUO3OLM6yigKyxoF4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgK)** victories. #24 lion defeating a tiger > **[The Field Naturalist](https://books.google.com/books?id=WSdEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA97&dq=lion%2Btiger%2Bfights%2Barranged&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text#c_top)** #25 - Bhim Singh: a romance of Mughal times a lion is a more formidable foe than a tiger, who, after all, is a cowardly beast. Macmillan, 1926 - 194 pages [Bhim Singh: A Romance of Mughal Times - Frank R. Sell - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=DNtiOF9nBwkC&q=mahouts+lion+tiger+fight&dq=mahouts+lion+tiger+fight&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Wm-QULW-OsjdigKQnIHwBw&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBTgo) - Huge lie un-ravled, jackjacksonj site had stated Kersi singe had 3 tigers [kill] three lions, when all he mentioned was a minor scruffle an the tiger had the better score card, an did not kill the lions… > **[Tiger Tales](https://books.google.com/books?id=kZmnqpT6bycC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA118&dq=chinese%2Blion%2Btiger%2Bfight&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html)** > > The Tiger S Enduring Appeal Has Generated A Vast Body Of Literature. This Anthology, Compiled From Non-Fiction Sources By Tiger Scientist And Conservationist K. Ullas Karanth, Opens Up A Captivating World Of Rich Descriptions, Deeply Felt Personal... #26 THE CATS OF SHAMBALA 1985 By Tippi Hedren and Theodore Taylor Page 176, tigers are the original scaredy-cat. Although most ferocious under certain conditions, adults are scared silly over numerous odd things. Thunder and Lightning which a lion takes in stride, panics a tiger. Silver reflectors scare tigers, if you want to take over a room full of tigers walk in wearing a silver suit. In the movie ROAR a big siberian tiger name ivan backs down from a tiny lion cub. Tippi Hedren is a former actress that has lions and tigers and other animals on her compound in Acton, Ca. #27 Sanuel Howitt excelled at the spirited and formal depiction of the hunt. Here he included all animals: wild and tame, foreign and domestic. His engravings after the fables of Aesop, Phaedrus #28 Kailash sankhala mentions a crazed prince that had a fight with a lion an tiger an the lion killed the tiger [![](https://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/boldchamppics057-1.jpg) ](https://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/boldchamppics057-1.jpg) [http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9348622/2/](http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9348622/2/) Not quite as much as I could get but an intresting read non the less…quite hard for some placements for some are Inidan artifacts that are drown in india by british, or vice versa, of a Inidian that did work out of india…so its placements are quite daunting. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/297 "2012-12-29T23:53:16Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > We did this years ago (Surprise!). I can’t search, so I’ll repeat a real-life incident at the San Francisco Zoo/ Both species are oused in an old building with a maze of sliding gates used to get an animal from one area to another. > One day, some idiot opened one gate before closing another, and adult males were facing each other.If you think about how each cat is built and how each kills, the outcome is foregone. > But, for the record: By the time they got the two apart, there was not much left of the tiger. > The tiger sprints, runs down its prey, and kills with a bite through the neck. The lion charges head on and keeps it head back - using those tree-trunk fore legs to shred the opponent. > > The tiger, trying to bite an adult lion’s neck, gets a mouthful of mane. A lion charging a tiger head-on gets a soft belly - the tiger’s legs are great for quick sprints, but are useless as weapons (except against drunk asshole humans, as Tatiana demonstrated. Still miss her) > > I got this story from a zookeeper who was present at the time. We got to chatting because he was assigned to keep people away from the small cat section because they had just spayed a cougar and didn’t want her stressed. As I was the only one who came by that hour, we got to chatting (and he let me in - I love the small cats - esp. the Snow Leopards). > > Pro tip: now that cameras (yes, they’re film, but that’s not likely to ne noticed for our purposes) are dirt cheap, buy a large bagful and carry it with you - many people, when they figure you’re a serious photographer, will cut you some slack as to getting into off-limit areas. - Quite intresting, though I do not think the tiger died in that incident, I belive it was wittnessed by Carol sue hoo… a lion passed his prime named Tuffy had charged a prime 6 year old male siberian tiger named Nick or nicholas an had a death grip, with out hesitation Carol shot the lion dead. An the tiger survived…I think, not much confromation was sought out if the tiger died, though if you have any information that helps with credability, via email or snap shot of the conversation with your friend that would be cool… But here, this might be the one you speak of… [![](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Atigerissupposedtowinafightwithalion.jpg) ](http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Atigerissupposedtowinafightwithalion.jpg) It was published in the 60’s so the rarity of your conversation would be submiting a better credability to its article. But other than that the article speaks for it self in showing it is fair game in terms of age, they dont live pass 6-8 in the wild that often, because of high moralitys of colide-ing prides an fighting off nomads. So 6-8 is usually there prime years, 2-3 is a juvi an 4 should be adult hood, 12 is a bit old-ish but still a worthy contender I suppose because 20 is the max, being it was a “siberian tiger” an a male. an Tuffy also sounds like a female name, wouldent you say? But I think it was a male. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/298 "2012-12-30T01:03:00Z")
Hmm? I think there might be 3 sanfricisco incidents, I’ll go check if they were all the same or if they were mentioning the same account in different time eras. ---
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> [@My\_Lord](#): > > Hmm? I think there might be 3 sanfricisco incidents, I’ll go check if they were all the same or if they were mentioning the same account in different time eras. Bump to help get to 300. ---
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> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > Bump to help get to 300. You mean 400? lol long time no hear eh, I think the roman one being as old as they are will have fade-ing impliments, but they sure are one of the most brought up ones…being the romans intice the world with there brutal blood sports, not to say others havent any just saying they emit it rather well. Just for laughs I seen what rank ths thread had on the bottom of the menu in “my humble opinion” catagorie an at least it made the first page, its like 50th place in the view range but ateast it beat like what 80,000 other topics in terms of views, thats werid right? But no way it will make the top 10 they have like 300,000 views lol It seems most forums who brings up this topic has the world as a standard to look into it…inticeing in which animal would win when the steaks are so close being that lion an tigers are so similar its almost like a german vs a russian or a jamaican vs a african or a japanese vs a chinese lol but I’ll try an find that san fran one, I’m sure I seen multiple articles from that reigon about a fight with a tiger an lion. But I gota hit the road, so I’ll catch you all laters. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011.md?page=16)