# Lion vs Tiger **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 9, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011 "2012-08-09T22:36:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/41 "2012-08-12T20:35:37Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Can you supply a statistical breakdown of your research, please? - ## No problem, which section would you like a better explaination in first I have them in catagorie forms so exactly which catagorie would you like by feed back on? ## I know everything by heart already, its all pretty much intended in my head, so any question shouldent be hard to cover. So fire away!?! ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/42 "2012-08-12T23:47:49Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > I was going to suggest Wikipedia (they actually have such an article entitled [Tiger Versus Lion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion)) and then I wondered if the OP was the same anonymous editor who [requested amendments to that article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tiger_versus_lion#Edit_request_on_3_August_2012) only a few days ago 😛 - ## Oh? Cool, Yeah thats me. I Dident know that a person responeded that he wont be editing after-all…lol Typical, he states he had no clue what I was talking about, Que? How is that possible not to understand something as simple as what I asked? Its as simple as making a peanut butter an jelly sandwhich…lol All I asked was to post some not all…of the data to better inphinsize both can reach up to 900 pounds an both have killed the other, not just the tigers side and hide-ing the lions…sound’s to me like this A- hole is just hyped up to conseal the truth. ## But I guess I can try an explain to this person one more time nice an slow what should be posted, if he dosent want to, then that explains alot of the status of that web page’s credibilty which is moded by a fanatic. So thanks for pointing that out for me pal. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/43 "2012-08-13T19:45:40Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > I was going to suggest Wikipedia (they actually have such an article entitled [Tiger Versus Lion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion)) and then I wondered if the OP was the same anonymous editor who [requested amendments to that article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tiger_versus_lion#Edit_request_on_3_August_2012) only a few days ago 😛 - ## Well I tryed one more time, an wouldent you know it, it was magically erased…Hmm? Do I hear a fanatic trying to conseal the truth an brain wash the world that theres a 300 pound advantage averagly XD XD ## Oh wells what can you do? Just sit back an laugh. Still wish I could find a better book archive with more books than google-books has that has the content search ingine, it would be easyer to triple the amount of data of credability. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/44 "2012-08-15T09:41:22Z")
> [@My\_Lord](#): > > - > > ## That’s debate-able, but the I’m researching the more I’m finding out that the media has poor crdibilty an false claim’s, but I belive that they are roughly the same size’s, the tiger can just maintain being hevier more often. That dosent mean lion’s cant reach any weight the tiger can, here is what site’s like wiki try’s so hard to conseal, the fact that they gave a 300 pound advantage on wiki speak’s in how they just wanted other’s to think there’s a leverage, which in fact in a whole speice’s tiger’s only average around 430 pound’s as adult’s, an lion’s can match the heavy hitter’s as well… > > ## Tiger weight’s show they avearge no bigger than lion’s > > ## The bengal tiger is thinner an lighter than the lion [The Illustrated Magazine of Art - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=BRVaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA278&lpg=PA278&dq=china++lion+fights+fighting+kills+tiger&source=bl&ots=MN04rRtSHs&sig=Nz3XMnyzoBeXmXUUAFzpcZ9KLAc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aZQGUOiWEIHg2gWah9S6BQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgK) [http://www.tigers.ru/articles/tab\_eng.html#tab1](http://www.tigers.ru/articles/tab_eng.html#tab1) Hewett (1938), Inverarity (1888), Baker (1890), Buton (1933, 1948), Hornaday (1885), Meinertzhagen (1939) and Sanderson (1912) shows an average of 422 lbs, not far from the 420 lbs mark, isn’t it? [http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/DunbarBrandersaverage.jpg](http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/DunbarBrandersaverage.jpg) [http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/averagesizeofadultamurtigers.jpg](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/averagesizeofadultamurtigers.jpg) [http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s214/craigkennion/dsfdfsdsfdsfdfsd.jpg](http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s214/craigkennion/dsfdfsdsfdsfdfsd.jpg) [http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg](http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg) [http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/schamah/SiberianCloseto400.jpg](http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/schamah/SiberianCloseto400.jpg) [http://bigcatrescue.org/2011/tiger-facts](http://bigcatrescue.org/2011/tiger-facts) [http://english.savechinastigers.org/node/31](http://english.savechinastigers.org/node/31) [http://www.redorbit.com/education/reference\_library/science\_1/mammalia/2578132/bengal\_tiger/](http://www.redorbit.com/education/reference_library/science_1/mammalia/2578132/bengal_tiger/) [http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg](http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg) > > - > > ## {What ever weight’s the tiger has reach so can the lion} > > 408kg=904 pound lion named Ali owned by Charle’s mason of king’sbridge > [http://www.impeyan.net/default.asp?iId=KMFIH](http://www.impeyan.net/default.asp?iId=KMFIH) > two…900 pound lions > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUtjFBx6eM](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUtjFBx6eM) > > - 900 pound lion > [http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19630112&id=l9YeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=n2UEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,2398849](http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19630112&id=l9YeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=n2UEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,2398849) > 818 pound lion named ponto fight’s off 2 tiger’s > [Oakland Tribune Newspaper Archives, Mar 27, 1959, p. 1](http://newspaperarchive.com/oakland-tribune/1959-03-27/) > 826 pound lion named simba > [http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af291/KingOfEurope/45yedsdy.jpg?t=1306200659](http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af291/KingOfEurope/45yedsdy.jpg?t=1306200659) > [Jungle Photos Africa Animals mammals - lion natural history](http://junglephotos.com/africa/afanimals/mammals/lionnathist.shtml) > 802 pound lion named mubasa > [Brit Spaugh Zoo - Great Bend, Kansas](http://www.kansastravel.org/britspaughzoo.htm) > [http://www.thirdage.com/humor/800-pound-lion-receives-root-canal-video](http://www.thirdage.com/humor/800-pound-lion-receives-root-canal-video) > 806 pound lion attack’s tarzan 1967, in Cleveland, OH; Tarzan was attacked in the ring by an 800-pound lion. > [http://www.tzproductions.com/index.php/history](http://www.tzproductions.com/index.php/history) > 2… 800 pound lion’s 1 named Prince an 1 named clarence > [DewaPoker | Agen IDNPoker Online Resmi & Terpercaya Top 1 Indonesia](http://mfinley.com/tumor/bt-bwana-mike.htm) > 813 pound lion owner ruthledge > [http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums3/ATYAAAAzJMhqUhSg9tA14Cq8LPM4XwmghzwLE-wOZOP-KTH54hmjnGCoi7juJTBHnRm8ckdxinRqN1pNkD2Fc924TXKpAJtU9VDIRFMqRMwjvOttcrWnFHZRfxlcKA.jpg](http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums3/ATYAAAAzJMhqUhSg9tA14Cq8LPM4XwmghzwLE-wOZOP-KTH54hmjnGCoi7juJTBHnRm8ckdxinRqN1pNkD2Fc924TXKpAJtU9VDIRFMqRMwjvOttcrWnFHZRfxlcKA.jpg) > 908 pound lion owned by Peter jackson > [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg139/scaled.php?server=139&filename=900lblionestimatedoz7.jpg&res=landing](http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg139/scaled.php?server=139&filename=900lblionestimatedoz7.jpg&res=landing) > 800 pound lion > [Mysterious America: The Ultimate Guide to the Nation's Weirdest Wonders ... - Loren Coleman - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=r_itw5QtTkUC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=800+pound+lion+africa&source=bl&ots=L7PO7yWlAS&sig=Da81WuQXgd9ZRE6mRQtvA6qaGy8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MNoNUNOJGuKC2wWUuYC4AQ&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA) > 800 pound lion in circus > Trump: The Art Of The Deal > But Irving was very much like a lion tamer. You’ve seen these guys, maybe I50 > pounds, who walk blithely into a cage where there’s a magnificent 800~pound lion > [Trump: The Art of the Deal - Donald J. Trump, Tony Schwartz - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=Ye6e_VxM00kC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=800+pound++lion&source=bl&ots=6XuRpqILHh&sig=FPFItABXapR4OZWM76XTRCImwz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mHwGUICmL-Pg2gWQxMXTBQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ) > 800 pound lion named woody > [Showdown: How the Outlaws, Hells Angels and Cops Fought for Control of the ... - Jerry Langton - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=9MIDKlXj60AC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=800+pound++lion&source=bl&ots=6qj9mAg4nV&sig=oYDzO5qhhaADM55op3qdUPe0FLc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VX0GUJC2Leqi2gXO4MmPBQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwADgK) > CBS News investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian speaks about the debate and what it was like doing an interview within feet of a 900-pound lion. > [http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x364597531/Morning-Jolt-Haunted-home-for-seniors](http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x364597531/Morning-Jolt-Haunted-home-for-seniors) - - ## Well since I cant edit the list, I’ll just add it in this way…but I found aorund 5 more lions that reached the 800-900 pound ranges so, it looks like the lion is catching up, I still feel its more common to have a tiger maintian being hevier more often, it just makes sense, #1 when they kill something they can sit down an eat it all themselves an not have to fight over rank who gets what out of the dead animal which sometimes most dont get to eat that much, they will have to wait there turn until the brutes are finished, unless they kill an elephant, which still some prides get to be as big as 30, so thats only a few days worth. Also the heat of africa is one of the hottest places on earth, so they have there fat striped off them into pure muscle, while bengals live in swampy areas an Siberians need the extra fat to survive harsh winter blizzards, but all in all lions can get just as big as any tiger…so heres that extra 5 lions that made it pass the 800-900 pound range to add to the list… 800 pound lion [http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/wildkingdom/last-lions-india/asiatic-vs-african/asiatic-vs-african.html](http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/wildkingdom/last-lions-india/asiatic-vs-african/asiatic-vs-african.html) 800 pound lion named leo 1932 [![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QWASgRa4wXM/TVUI85BcC9I/AAAAAAAABtE/ohuC53aXFKo/s1600/Metro_Goldwyn_Mayer.jpg) ](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QWASgRa4wXM/TVUI85BcC9I/AAAAAAAABtE/ohuC53aXFKo/s1600/Metro_Goldwyn_Mayer.jpg) [http://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/lionunleashedinwbzstudio.jpg?w=300](http://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/lionunleashedinwbzstudio.jpg?w=300) > **[Reading Eagle - Google News Archive Search](https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=apghAAAAIBAJ&sjid=SZoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1205,5537289&dq=800%2Bpound%2Blion&hl=en)** 800 pound lion Killed With One Shot .Nero Slain As It Devoured Cow In… Daily Star - Oct 2, 1908 Nero was five years old, weighed 800 pounds and was valued at 1000 He recently . was imported from Africa, and was considered a perfect specimen. > **[The Daily Star - Google News Archive Search](https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MMVUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uI8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6318,5099819&dq=african%2B800%2Bpound%2Blions&hl=en)** Two 800-900 pound lions escaped from the Ringling Bros. and Bar- num & Bailey Circus Saturday los Angeles Times - Jun 17, 1973 [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/692669012.html?dids=692669012:692669012&FMT=CITE&FMTS=CITE:AI&type=historic&date=Jun+17%2C+1973&author=&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&desc=1+of+2+Circus+Lions+Killed+After+Escape&pqatl=google](http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/692669012.html?dids=692669012:692669012&FMT=CITE&FMTS=CITE:AI&type=historic&date=Jun+17%2C+1973&author=&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&desc=1+of+2+Circus+Lions+Killed+After+Escape&pqatl=google) ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/45 "2012-08-15T12:55:17Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > One gun magazine long ago said the Romans in the Coliseum never bet on lion:tiger matches because the tiger almost always wins. Reason given was the tiger is a better two-pawed fighter while the lion delivers single jabs and hooks. But seeing so many Tarzan shows, I realized this wasn’t true. . . . I read this same factoid in a book published in the mid 70s to early 80s. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/46 "2012-08-15T18:49:22Z")
**My Lord** , there’s a simple way to settle this. You should fight a lion, and then a tiger. That way you’ll have first-hand knowledge of which is the better fighter. After that, if you feel up to it, you can fight a bear and your research will be complete. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/47 "2012-08-15T22:03:47Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > **My Lord** , there’s a simple way to settle this. You should fight a lion, and then a tiger. That way you’ll have first-hand knowledge of which is the better fighter. > > After that, if you feel up to it, you can fight a bear and your research will be complete. Huh? Isint that animal cruelty? ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2012, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/48 "2012-08-19T06:54:53Z")
## Well the fact is, the lion is designed completly different from other cats, it has a social pattern which no other cat has, has a battle mane which no other cat has, an is differ from other cats, which they arnt to fond of water like all other big cats, I mean if theres anything to be ranked in higher archy of there survival upoun earth is they would dominate any carnivore/omnivore excepts humans…just because they are one of the biggest an baddest an have the luxery of the Pride for a fall back, albiet no other cat can say that, Puma’s, Jaguars, tigers, lynx, cheetahs, leopards, bob cats, ect ect all live alone until mating an early bonding but the lion more so resembles humans of unity as in Kingdoms, Empires, Countrys States, ect ect…no matter what size or superiorty there enemys might have, there unity an singlairty would deem them the win every time, so with out further a due… ## {The Lions territory where no predator will ever dare to venture} - 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**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2012, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/49 "2012-08-19T07:18:18Z")
One of the biggest youtube come backs are…Huh, tigers kill Guar the biggest of the biggys, they are around 500-1,000 pounds hevier than a water or cap buaffalo, Uhhh? Well…If they wanna brag on idioc things such as weights, lol lions rutinely can take down Hippos an last time I checked they average 5,000 pounds as adults easy, an they can tip the scales at 8,000-10,000 pounds at max, so thats almost 3x the size of any guar on average or at max, I dont know if theres any abundentcy of tigers killing big boys like these… {Lions killing hippos} * * * - ## Not far from this pride another pride in Linyanti Botswana specializes in killing Hippo. [Botswana Safari - Feeding - Botswana Wildlife Guide](http://www.botswana.co.za/Botswana_Wildlife_Behaviour-travel/feeding.html) ## Fourth hippo killed. The five male lions coalition (Notch & sons) killed a Hippo near Rekero last night. I found them this morning feeding ont he hippo, thouhg Notch himself had already eaten and was sleeping in teh shade about a hundred metres fro teh carcass. As the morning sun started getting hot, the lions left the carcass one by one untill only one was left and this one decided to guard the carcass from teh Hyaenas that were waiting around. While watching this, some four Buffalo bulls came towards the carcass. Tehy soon picked teh scent of the lions and they started charing at two males that were sleeping in the bush, driving them away from the vicinity of the carcass, although Notch was spared since he was a bit further. The Buffaloes left breifely before coming back and started chasing the lions again around. This time they went upto the carcass and drove away the one that was watching over it, and drove them away including Notch. After this drama which lasted half of the morning, the Buffaloes gave up and left the lions to continue with feast. This is the fourth Hippo we have seen recently killed by the five. It seems they are now tunring to the Hippos since there is not much else to hunt. [Paul Kirui Safari Blog: The Lion and Buffalo drama in the Mara](http://paul-kirui.blogspot.com/2012/01/lion-and-buffalo-drama-in-mara.html) ## Pilanesberg National Park, South Africa [http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/4\_lion\_next\_to\_hippo.jpg](http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/4_lion_next_to_hippo.jpg) [http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4057/4690080721\_cda01777e0\_z.jpg](http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4057/4690080721_cda01777e0_z.jpg) [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qIHmoaOSCZA/T55azVgFxTI/AAAAAAAABEs/cu3J3Lb5i54/s1600/DSCF1512.JPG](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qIHmoaOSCZA/T55azVgFxTI/AAAAAAAABEs/cu3J3Lb5i54/s1600/DSCF1512.JPG) [http://www.sanparks.org/gallery/d/21055-3/10\_001.jpg](http://www.sanparks.org/gallery/d/21055-3/10_001.jpg) [http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jiPCb\_BIFAY/0.jpg](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jiPCb_BIFAY/0.jpg) [http://m.casolaphoto.com/photos/wild-beasts/Lion%20and%20Hippo.jpg](http://m.casolaphoto.com/photos/wild-beasts/Lion%20and%20Hippo.jpg) [http://www.sanparks.org/about/news/2006/images/pubsightings/hippo/12.jpg](http://www.sanparks.org/about/news/2006/images/pubsightings/hippo/12.jpg) [http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2661/4032167469\_81b4a2b129\_z.jpg?zz=1](http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2661/4032167469_81b4a2b129_z.jpg?zz=1) [http://static2.dmcdn.net/static/video/401/421/17124104:jpeg\_preview\_medium.jpg?20110821110038](http://static2.dmcdn.net/static/video/401/421/17124104:jpeg_preview_medium.jpg?20110821110038) [http://bushwarriors.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Notch-near-figtree-with-hippo-kill-300x225.jpg](http://bushwarriors.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Notch-near-figtree-with-hippo-kill-300x225.jpg) [http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Tp0\_ed1LuE/0.jpg](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Tp0_ed1LuE/0.jpg) [http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/11971780b08d26f1dbe4168a82a12ns9.jpg](http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/11971780b08d26f1dbe4168a82a12ns9.jpg) [http://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/36444/481362/f/4926365-Lions\_Eating\_Hippo-0.jpg](http://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/36444/481362/f/4926365-Lions_Eating_Hippo-0.jpg) [http://images.photoresearchers.com/photos/preview/na/na1360.jpg](http://images.photoresearchers.com/photos/preview/na/na1360.jpg) [Heleen van de Ven: Image](http://heleenvandeven.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/img_5483.jpg) [http://comps.canstockphoto.com/can-stock-photo\_csp7952683.jpg](http://comps.canstockphoto.com/can-stock-photo_csp7952683.jpg) [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ejsX4vdPN3s/T55bGKsquCI/AAAAAAAABE8/TnoHn09kn5k/s1600/DSCF1557.JPG](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ejsX4vdPN3s/T55bGKsquCI/AAAAAAAABE8/TnoHn09kn5k/s1600/DSCF1557.JPG) [Home](http://www.marlothparkhonoraryrangers.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Male-Lion-at-Rhino-carcass-2.jpg) [http://www.casttv.com/video/90rg1z/a-lone-male-lion-kills-a-hippo-video](http://www.casttv.com/video/90rg1z/a-lone-male-lion-kills-a-hippo-video) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oBRxqQrO2U](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oBRxqQrO2U) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyLt6ZEzx0w](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyLt6ZEzx0w) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfm8dll08VU](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfm8dll08VU) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsqUQ2kvAng](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsqUQ2kvAng) [http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa711k\_2-male-lions-attack-hippo-at-kruger\_animals](http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa711k_2-male-lions-attack-hippo-at-kruger_animals) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHzLpME5gc](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHzLpME5gc) ## lion have killed and fed off three hippos this month [http://bushwarriors.org/2012/05/11/stories-from-the-bush-governors-camp-game-report-masai-mara/](http://bushwarriors.org/2012/05/11/stories-from-the-bush-governors-camp-game-report-masai-mara/) ## Besides isolated cases of Hippo predation by Lions their main threat is from humans. That said there is a pride of Lions in northern Botswana that used to prey on Hippo regularly. The majority of Hippo / predator interaction is from Hippo defending their territories from roaming predators. [Lion and Tiger fight info request - Animal vs Animal](http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/topic/2811/Lion-and-Tiger-fight-info-request?page=7) Results 1 - 15 of 131 … Filmed in Botswana, from about 10 feet away from the lion. The lion had killed the hippo the night before. The hippo is belly up. [http://apis.videosurf.com/videos/hippo+kill+lion](http://apis.videosurf.com/videos/hippo+kill+lion) ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2012, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/50 "2012-08-19T07:52:16Z")
## An in terms of feats, well… I never heard of a tiger or tigers take down an elephant, dispite that indian elephants are almost 2x smaller than an african elephant, but it is pretty much known by any native to africa that lions can take it uopun themselves to take on these titans called elephants weather its threw unity of the entire Pride, or single handedly bowsing a feat of a lone male lion bringing down juvi elephants stil, outweighing any indian elephant whos basically 2/3rds at best the size of a african elephant, whiocb the record for a single lion to have brought down a juvi elephants weight was 12,000 pounds thats typically the average weight of an adult indian elephant, an theres no records of a tiger accomplishing that, so it looks like the lion also trumps the tiger in the catagorie of feats, like here… ## {Lions killing elephant’s} - Lion Predation on Elephants in the Savuti, Chobe National Park, Botswana ## A pride of lions killed one elephant every three days. Seven of eight elephants killed were between four and 11 years old, as deduced from molar teeth ageing, and this age group represented over half the kills recorded by Joubert ( 2006 ).. Notes are presented on the lion’s behaviour in hunting elephants and the evolutionary significance of this. [http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0104?journalCode=afzo](http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0104?journalCode=afzo) .The Lions of Savuti: Hunting with the Moon records something like 15 years of observations, and even in 1990 the Jouberts were estimating that about 20% of the Savuti lion’s diet was made up of elephant. [http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/02/lions\_as\_macropredators.php](http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/02/lions_as_macropredators.php) ..males amounted to 236 confirmed attempts versus 38 for females!). They adopted a special hunting style that they use for other dangerous large prey animals, attacking from the back by ambush. And during all these hunts (which totaled 74 kills out of 323 attempts) only one lion was confirmed injured. The paper doesn’t say how serious the injury was, or if it was eventually fatal, [http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life\_history/risk/lion\_elephant\_predation\_2006.html](http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life_history/risk/lion_elephant_predation_2006.html) ..The two Lionesses had just brought down an elephant cow of approximately ten years old. [![](https://lionprides.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/lionelephant14.jpg?w=300&h=199) ](https://lionprides.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/lionelephant14.jpg?w=300&h=199) Funston, P. J., Mills, M. G. L., Biggs, H. C. & Richardson, P. R. K. 1998. Hunting by male lions: ecological influences and socioecological implications. Animal Behaviour 56, 1333-1345. Patterson, B. D. 2004. The Lions of Tsavo: Exploring the Legacy of Africa’s Notorious Man-Eaters . McGraw-Hill, New York. Schaller, G. 1972. The Serengeti Lion . University of Chicago Press, Chicago. > **[Darren Naish: Tetrapod Zoology: Giant killers: macropredation in lions](http://darrennaish.blogspot.com/2006/11/giant-killers-macropredation-in-lions.html)** [http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/02/lions\_as\_macropredators.php](http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/02/lions_as_macropredators.php) One thing is clear, the lion or pride has no problem taking down elephants age4-15 in front of healthy bulls or cows, also…Hunts were less commonly attempted on calves ,the same applies to rhinos. Monday, August 8, 2011 Who is the true king of the Jungle? Wait for it… [![](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aesucILeY-k/TkAPnFx8dYI/AAAAAAAAFw8/NgVxuAe_Erg/s1600/ele+and+lion+kings+pool+1.jpg) ](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aesucILeY-k/TkAPnFx8dYI/AAAAAAAAFw8/NgVxuAe_Erg/s1600/ele+and+lion+kings+pool+1.jpg) Shazam!!! [![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E__lEaWaZKo/TkAPuINb07I/AAAAAAAAFxA/pjuW1-9SmpQ/s1600/ele+and+lion+kings+pool+2.jpg) ](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E__lEaWaZKo/TkAPuINb07I/AAAAAAAAFxA/pjuW1-9SmpQ/s1600/ele+and+lion+kings+pool+2.jpg) Elephant: I’m 9,000 pound’s an will smash you to death… [http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge\_73/1153823815gDuR44.jpg](http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_73/1153823815gDuR44.jpg) Lion: I eat you, not the other way around…Elephant: Oh yeah try me! [http://www.alovelyworld.com/webnamib/gimage/nam029.jpg](http://www.alovelyworld.com/webnamib/gimage/nam029.jpg) Lion: ROAR! Dun dun duuuuuuun… [http://images.travelpod.com/tw\_slides/ta00/9c4/b42/the-lion-eating-the-elephant-kasane.jpg](http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/9c4/b42/the-lion-eating-the-elephant-kasane.jpg) [![](https://ih2.redbubble.net/work.2223809.6.flat,550x550,075,f.lion-eating-an-elephant.jpg) ](https://ih2.redbubble.net/work.2223809.6.flat,550x550,075,f.lion-eating-an-elephant.jpg) [http://images.travelpod.com/tw\_slides/ta00/9c4/b42/the-lion-eating-the-elephant-kasane.jpg](http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/9c4/b42/the-lion-eating-the-elephant-kasane.jpg) - ## Lions rarely prey on elephants. Botswana’s Savuti lions, however, switch to preying on elephants during the late dry season (August-November), and the frequency of this has increased in the last two decades (1985–2005). An opportunity to document this phenomenon was made possible with infrared viewing and filming equipment. A pride of 30 lions killed one elephant every three days. Seven of eight elephants killed were between four and 11 years old, as deduced from molar teeth ageing, and this age group represented over half the kills recorded by Joubert ( 2006 ). It is suggested that this weaned, maternally less dependent age class, may be more vulnerable to lion predation. Lions prey on elephants since the density of conventional ungulate prey is reduced as a result of an annual migration, and artificial water provisioning has prompted an increasingly sedentary population of elephants. Notes are presented on the lion’s behaviour in hunting elephants and the evolutionary significance of this. [http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0104?journalCode=afzo](http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0104?journalCode=afzo) ## Here’s a site that has account’s pass 200 of lion’s killing elephant’s account’s. ## [http://www.perfectafrica.com/img/galleries/289/male-lions-with-elephant-kill.jpg](http://www.perfectafrica.com/img/galleries/289/male-lions-with-elephant-kill.jpg) [http://www.bohlaletours.co.za/cms///images/rsgallery/display//KNP%20Elephant%20Kill%201%20Lion%20June2002.JPG.jpg](http://www.bohlaletours.co.za/cms///images/rsgallery/display//KNP%20Elephant%20Kill%201%20Lion%20June2002.JPG.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/51 "2012-08-19T23:28:08Z")
lol I couldent resist but to post these acounts. I mean, the debate most of the time is tigers are stronger than lions an are way bigger, besides thats hardly the truth, lions have contended with a competiter predator bigger an stronger by far than the tiger…Brown bears an Polar bears, who easly would out muscle an out weigh any tiger almost 2x fold at average or at max. So If the lion could hold grounds with some Goliath size bears an win more than vice versa, then it only shows that that debate goes right out the window…heres those accounts of lions defeating bigger Brown an Polar Bears… - 1.1902 lion named roosevlet killed peary the polar bear. [![](http://lh3.ggpht.com/-CIWrL1-cEGk/T6YitbFpChI/AAAAAAAAANg/8KRGCnZZgKE/le%25C3%25B3n%2520vs%2520oso%2520blanco.j%20pg) ](http://lh3.ggpht.com/-CIWrL1-cEGk/T6YitbFpChI/AAAAAAAAANg/8KRGCnZZgKE/le%25C3%25B3n%2520vs%2520oso%2520blanco.j%20pg) 2.John heliot’s circus lion named brutus kills polar bear. [![](https://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/ScottBanks/lionkillspolarbear.jpg) ](https://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/ScottBanks/lionkillspolarbear.jpg) [![](http://lh3.ggpht.com/-nNkI_hEYI3E/TtlLoqCWU2I/AAAAAAAABCQ/unl46hTE2K8/s800/BRUTUS.jpg) ](http://lh3.ggpht.com/-nNkI_hEYI3E/TtlLoqCWU2I/AAAAAAAABCQ/unl46hTE2K8/s800/BRUTUS.jpg) [![](http://lh3.ggpht.com/-1cavjSB78DU/TtlLikxy4cI/AAAAAAAABCI/3hR6R-C2cEg/s800/LION%252520KILLS%252520POLAR%252520BEAR%252%2052520IN%252520HARD%252520FIGHT%252520-%252520BRUTUS.JPG) ](http://lh3.ggpht.com/-1cavjSB78DU/TtlLikxy4cI/AAAAAAAABCI/3hR6R-C2cEg/s800/LION%252520KILLS%252520POLAR%252520BEAR%252%2052520IN%252520HARD%252520FIGHT%252520-%252520BRUTUS.JPG) 3. lion kills polar bear 1955 By Alfred Court.[Book]Pages 131-132, [![](https://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Life-With-Big-Cats.jpg) ](https://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Life-With-Big-Cats.jpg) 4. lion kills polar bear Louis Roth, forty years with jungle killers, [Book] page 204-205. [![](https://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Louis-Roth.jpg) ](https://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Louis-Roth.jpg) 5.1893 Pezon in limoges, Leo the lion maul’s polar bear [![](http://lh5.ggpht.com/-9W0zfcHzAHs/T6Z52mThgGI/AAAAAAAAAOY/ryc0taAxzgY/POLAR%2520BEAR%2520VS%2520LION%2520DREADF%20UL%2520DUEL.jpg) ](http://lh5.ggpht.com/-9W0zfcHzAHs/T6Z52mThgGI/AAAAAAAAAOY/ryc0taAxzgY/POLAR%2520BEAR%2520VS%2520LION%2520DREADF%20UL%2520DUEL.jpg) 6.Boltimore the lion kills russian grizzley [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg265/scaled.php?server=265&filename=sdffti0.jpg&res=landing](http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg265/scaled.php?server=265&filename=sdffti0.jpg&res=landing) 7. Lion stale mate’s enormous grizzley bear THE OAKLAND TRIBUNE APRIL 1, 1895 “A DRAW” PARNELL FIGHTS A BIG BEAR. THE LOS ANGELES TIMES APRIL 2, 1895 "BRUIN THROWS LEO ## At 4 P.M. yesterday, in the bull ring at New Laredo, Mexico, the African lion Parnell fought a terrible battle with an enormous grizzly bear of the American type. The attendance was large. The animals fought desperately for two rounds until completely exhausted, but contrary to expectation, neither was killed. It was a bloody combat. The crowd went wild when twice the American grizzly threw his African opponent and erstwhile king of beasts, so hard upon the ground that once, had time been called according to the usual rules, the lion would have been counted out Throughout the battle the lion showed more agility and treachery. Parnell is owned by Colonel F. Daniel Boone, the lion tamer, and is the beast that killed its keeper at the Midwinter Fair. The bear is somewhat larger and heavier than the lion, and was secured at New Orleans where he killed two keepers. It is the first time on record that such a combat has taken place. Mr Zarcombe, editor of the Laredo Times, was fortunate enough to secure four excellent instantaneous photographs of the battle. The fight took place in a large circular steel cage twenty feet in diameter and fifteen feet in height. No more thrilling spectacle was ever witnessed than the spring made by the lion as he bounded into the cage, with a magnificent leap fully fifteen feet, and grappled with his antagonist. [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oCVJiNSw5jI/T8Rs1da0lAI/AAAAAAAAnqI/FFyZpwKevLU/s1600/PRNLLVRMDMPRMO.jpg](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oCVJiNSw5jI/T8Rs1da0lAI/AAAAAAAAnqI/FFyZpwKevLU/s1600/PRNLLVRMDMPRMO.jpg) 8. Lion kills bruin the grizzly bear [http://www.pictures-of-cats.org/images/lion-vs-bear.gif](http://www.pictures-of-cats.org/images/lion-vs-bear.gif) [http://lh3.ggpht.com/-oj5YIHOS4uk/T0mhuVHMENI/AAAAAAAAGbM/OunRXyp0aIs/LION%252C%2520TIGER%2520AND%2520BEAR.jpg](http://lh3.ggpht.com/-oj5YIHOS4uk/T0mhuVHMENI/AAAAAAAAGbM/OunRXyp0aIs/LION%252C%2520TIGER%2520AND%2520BEAR.jpg) 9.[http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion\_2008/brentonlion/books\_003-25.png](http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books_003-25.png) 10. lion kills tiger and bear Source (full fight): [http://paperspast.natlib](http://paperspast.natlib)…=d&d=TH18991223.2.87 [http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/imageserver/imageserver.pl?oid=TH18991223.2.87&area=9&width=365&color=32&ext=gif&key](http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/imageserver/imageserver.pl?oid=TH18991223.2.87&area=9&width=365&color=32&ext=gif&key) 11. Lioness kills atlas bear in the roman arena [The Westminster Dictionary of New Testament and Early Christian Literature ... - David Edward Aune - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=nhhdJ-fkywYC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=lion+fights+bear+kills+dead&source=bl&ots=1Nw9g0BYw1&sig=awold4MzsrWOIwxuDRUqG6nU04M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xHkGUMzXDuil2AXP1_DDBQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ) 12.lion strangle’s an kills 1 out of 7 bears [Zoo: A History of Zoological Gardens in the West - Eric Baratay, Elisabeth Hardouin-Fugier - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=V0JSVvpZvYYC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=menageries+lion+fights+fighting+kills+tiger&source=bl&ots=ZczqFNg_1H&sig=TQznMOxQv5-vXhywYepZXvtWtbw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-I8GUNnoI8Hi2QWCvKnOBQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAjgK) - The lion’s power was able to hold off a jeep… [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/36cffcc2.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/36cffcc2.jpg) [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/6e9b95d7.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/6e9b95d7.jpg) [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/da01a9cd.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/da01a9cd.jpg) > **[Lion and Tiger - ReusableArt.com](https://www.reusableart.com/lion-images-02.html)** > > A lion and tiger get ready to fight. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2012, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/52 "2012-08-20T09:47:27Z")
Hmm? Just about 2,000 views in a few days…not bad for a forum. Not bad at all 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/53 "2012-08-20T15:57:55Z")
Tiger already has 14 majors, something Lion can’t quite match yet…sorry wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/54 "2012-08-20T19:06:29Z")
> [@My\_Lord](#): > > Hmm? Just about 2,000 views in a few days…not bad for a forum. Not bad at all 🙂 I hate to break it to you. I’d wager most of those view count pings are people either: 😕 Interested in a fun, common IMHO subject, but are now completely confused at what you are writing and what your point is. or :dubious: Repeat viewers that are now aware the OP is just babbling incoherently and dumping incomprehensible random citations in his own thread, and are now just watching a slow-motion train wreck. * * * I get your basic thesis: Lions are totes the best predators evaar! Fine, but your mountain of random links are impossible to sort through. Please sum up what you’ve found in your research. Like this: Most people think tigers would win a fight with a lion, but I’ve found 98 references to documented fights. Lions killed the tiger in 64 of them, tigers only killing 16 (all female lions), with 18 draws (and lions were described as coming out ahead in 4 of those). I’ve made up all those numbers, but that’s kind of what I’m asking for. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/55 "2012-08-20T21:29:55Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > I hate to break it to you. I’d wager most of those view count pings are people either: > 😕 Interested in a fun, common IMHO subject, but are now completely confused at what you are writing and what your point is. > > or > > :dubious: Repeat viewers that are now aware the OP is just babbling incoherently and dumping incomprehensible random citations in his own thread, and are now just watching a slow-motion train wreck. > > * * * > > I get your basic thesis: Lions are totes the best predators evaar! > Fine, but your mountain of random links are impossible to sort through. Please sum up what you’ve found in your research. > > Like this: > Most people think tigers would win a fight with a lion, but I’ve found 98 references to documented fights. Lions killed the tiger in 64 of them, tigers only killing 16 (all female lions), with 18 draws (and lions were described as coming out ahead in 4 of those). > I’ve made up all those numbers, but that’s kind of what I’m asking for. - - ## Did I strike a nerve or something pal? Just say I have 98 refferences of the lion winning? How many people would actually belive that? XD XD an 64? Ya cant count, now can ya mate? Dave hoover himself has stated he lost (Many) Tiger{S}, Alan Gold has lost (Several) Tiger{S} Altoona mirror a single lion killed {3} tigers, Jam sahib has saw {4} tigers in the wild lose to lions, Clyde beatty stated he lost {25} Tigers to lions early on his carreer…ect ect for the rest…thats over a 120 accounts easy not 64 buddie. If your intent in insulting someone, then at-least get your facts straight. ## This is basically in the humble opinion of any topic to label your threads so I aint bothering no one, yet apperantly either you looked for this topic, or you had bazzillions of free time so you just waited in the lounge forums an wanted to talk so oneone, so you posted in the most recent thread because your intent in what? Trolling…XD ## I couldent care less of your opinion on why this thread is doing not bad, as long as they would have just taken a glimpse of just 1/10th of the data, then they would have learned something they probably would have never have came across…You know?..They choosed to click the mouse that high-lighted the lion vs tiger thread? XD XD People came in on there own accord, so try not to be so condisending or ignorant just because you dont like what you saw…an if you read properly an despite my lazy punctuation an grammar, they are all in catagorie form, pal. Que? Yeah thats right they have there opinions from experts section, there feats section, there kill section an more, so if you cant comprehend , then dont bother scraping up any more half-ass insults. ## Lions are the greatest evarr? I just vocied my opinion, dont need to jump into the conclusion of a fanatic dude, I merely was opinionating a cause of brain-washing porportions, so is it wrong to speak the truth an exploit whats heavy in Bias B.s? Now I wouldent say that, not everyone like you adores hiltler type formalitys…XD You just look as if you dident like the idea that the one you choosed was coming out secound best, I dont know but it looks that way, or why else would you have the need to leave a retarded remarke as a repeating trend? Others have pointed out my lazyness in grammar an other things so why bother you posting? Huh! You just had to get yours in, in small capatalizing to redeem what your mind that has been shattered in what you were looking foward in seeing, of some mook just saying ahhh lion wins an another saying no tiger wins an that goes back an forth with no evidence for around a million times…XD XD Sorry but, I brought the goods an you dident…plain an simple. You dont like it? Then take a walk bud. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/56 "2012-08-20T22:52:37Z")
Everyone knows that a little Norwegian girl can beat a Tiger half to death with a seven iron. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/57 "2012-08-21T00:28:09Z")
> [@My\_Lord](#): > > _Did I strike a nerve or something pal? Just say I have 98 refferences of the lion winning? …[snip]… If your intent in insulting someone, then at-least get your facts straight._ Like I said, I made up the numbers in an attempt to show what a summary of research might look like. Somewhere in your rambling and mountain-o’-links might be an compelling argument. The person who needs to “get their facts straight” is you, in that you need to succinctly summarize what your research reveals in a way the rest of us can parse. > [@](#): > > _…[snip]… > … if you read properly an despite my lazy punctuation an grammar, they are all in catagorie form, pal. Que? Yeah thats right they have there opinions from experts section, there feats section, there kill section an more…_ Your punctuation, grammar, and spelling are beyond just lazy. It’s really, really bad and making it extremely difficult for us to make sense of anything you’re saying. You definitely have an impressive amount of citations. They look like 9/11 Truther citations, but you have a lot of them. > [@](#): > > _… > Lions are the greatest evarr? I just vocied my opinion, dont need to jump into the conclusion of a fanatic dude, I merely was opinionating a cause of brain-washing porportions, so is it wrong to speak the truth an exploit whats heavy in Bias B.s? Now I wouldent say that, not everyone like you adores hiltler type formalitys…XD You just look as if you dident like the idea that the one you choosed was coming out secound best, I dont know but it looks that way, or why else would you have the need to leave a retarded remarke as a repeating trend? Others have pointed out my lazyness in grammar an other things so why bother you posting? Huh! You just had to get yours in, in small capatalizing to redeem what your mind that has been shattered in what you were looking foward in seeing, of some mook just saying ahhh lion wins an another saying no tiger wins an that goes back an forth with no evidence for around a million times…XD XD Sorry but, I brought the goods an you dident…plain an simple. You dont like it? Then take a walk bud. > -_(sic) 😕 Wha? Is “XD” supposed to be 😃 or :mad: ? ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/58 "2012-08-21T01:38:37Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Like I said, I made up the numbers in an attempt to show what a summary of research might look like. Somewhere in your rambling and mountain-o’-links might be an compelling argument. The person who needs to “get their facts straight” is you, in that you need to succinctly summarize what your research reveals in a way the rest of us can parse. > Your punctuation, grammar, and spelling are beyond just lazy. It’s really, really bad and making it extremely difficult for us to make sense of anything you’re saying. You definitely have an impressive amount of citations. They look like 9/11 Truther citations, but you have a lot of them. > 😕 Wha? > Is “XD” supposed to be 😃 or :mad: ? - ## lol You know exactly what it protains to, take your time an comphrend it, its not that hard to figure out. XD ## So exactly what are you trying to parse, Hmm? I can anser any question of anything I posted now that my attention is on it, what do you wish to know pal? I almsot have what I wanted to post which should be basics…all about sums it up…spo other than you just repeating what I already admited…which is irratating btw, why exactly comment back? Tell me whats the need thats dragging you back to my thread? I dont see any on-topic gestures so it would brand you if what your doing…trolling. I dont have to repeat my-self an say I did horribly in grammar an punctuation, I see it my self, though I can link you to sites I myself wrote pages of info with flawless Grammar an punctuation if that helps clarify my lazyness…which in terms woould put a stop to your whole reason why your here, or part of the reason atleast…I have no answer or some in why your insisting in being a troll so I’ll leave it to your next reply…knowing thats the why you’ll keep comeing back…right? XD XD So either post something on topic or stay off, simple as that…B/c at this point your just a chump troll. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@My\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Lord)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2012, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lion-vs-tiger/631011/59 "2012-09-04T04:47:30Z")
## { Size comparison show’s tiger’s average no bigger than lion’s} - [http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1754/lionsandtigergethabitat.gif](http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1754/lionsandtigergethabitat.gif) [![](https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff428/FreeWilli/tc-lionandtiger.png) ](https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff428/FreeWilli/tc-lionandtiger.png) [![](https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff428/FreeWilli/tc-lionandtiger2.png) ](https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff428/FreeWilli/tc-lionandtiger2.png) [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/l.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/l.jpg) [http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/12/621-ringling-bros-lions-tigers.jpg](http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/12/621-ringling-bros-lions-tigers.jpg) [![](https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff428/FreeWilli/charlesknie1.jpg) ](https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff428/FreeWilli/charlesknie1.jpg) [![](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/COPYRIGHTtigerlion01.jpg) ](https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/COPYRIGHTtigerlion01.jpg) [http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/lions/TigerNLion-detrock1.jpg](http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/lions/TigerNLion-detrock1.jpg) > **[ImageShack - Best place for all of your image hosting and image sharing needs](https://imageshack.com/)** > > Unlimited space to host images, easy to use image uploader, albums, photo hosting, sharing, dynamic image resizing on web and mobile. 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