# Lissner banned? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2004, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674 "2004-10-11T17:40:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/1 "2004-10-11T17:40:03Z")
I hope this is cool. I can’t remember if “Why was X banned?” threads are kosher or not. Anyway, I was just wondering why? I know the guy could be wound a little tight and could have used some decaf, but I liked reading his posts, especially in Cafe Society. Anybody know what happend ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/2 "2004-10-11T17:44:16Z")
I myself couldn’t find any posts recently that might lead to being banned, at least compared to his behavior in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Podkayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Podkayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Podkayne)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/3 "2004-10-11T17:46:47Z")
[Here ya go.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=280116&page=2&pp=50) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/4 "2004-10-11T17:49:19Z")
Appears to be [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5354948&postcount=88). By the way, it is frowned upon to start these threads. They prefer you to mail a mod. But exceptions are sometimes made for especially well-know posters; I don’t know if permission is required first. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/5 "2004-10-11T17:50:30Z")
I believe he once again got a bit overly enthusiastic about defending the films of Paul Verhoeven from what he saw as unfair criticism. If there was something else I missed it. For some reason, I keep seeing the headline, “Police quell riot over the nature of satire”. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/6 "2004-10-11T17:56:21Z")
Dammit, I just saw that, too. Too bad. Sam ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/7 "2004-10-11T18:01:09Z")
Well, that’s too bad. I hope **lissener** can kiss and make up with the Powers That Be, after a suitable cooling-off period and time to reflect. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/8 "2004-10-11T18:06:52Z")
Me, too! He and I are like oil and water, but, like **Dio** , he is a smart mofo and often had intelligent points to make. I hope he can make it back. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/9 "2004-10-11T18:16:33Z")
I think the Admins are completely wrong. Let’s look at his actual comment: > [@](#): > > Mouthing the words of another ignorant asshole does nothing to prove your case; I could match 2 to 1 with quotes from people who did get it. None of his complaints are valid: every single choice Verhoeven made in that movie was completely intentional communicated exactly what he meant to communicate, for anyone who’s willing to listen. I believe that “another ignorant asshole” refers to the author of the website that **Gamaliel** linked to. Now, obviously, since he said “another” that meant there was a previous “ignorant asshole”. It is possible to interpret that he meant **Gamaliel** ; but I think he was referring to the websites and writings of other “ignorant assholes” whom he has ranted about in other threads about Verhoeven it **lissener** did not, in fact, personally insult nor attack another poster. Now, if they want to ban the phrase “ignorant asshole” completely from Cafe Society, that’s their decision. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/10 "2004-10-11T18:17:19Z")
Well, anyone who’d start bitching people out in the middle of his own “I’m not really an asshole, am I?” Pit thread has some issues. Bright guy, though, and often with an interesting take on things – hope he’s able to learn his lesson and rejoin us later. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/11 "2004-10-11T18:19:52Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > I think the Admins are completely wrong. I disagree completely, and think it’s quite clear that he meant **Gamaliel** when he said “ignorant asshole”. Even if he didn’t, he was way out of line, in my opinion. Real pity. Interesting, smart guy. So sad that he had to get so fanatically devoted to that one issue. And it wasn’t even anything important. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/12 "2004-10-11T18:30:44Z")
Direct quotes aside, he was being a condescending prick in that thread. Lissener? Condescending? I know, it’s a shocker. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/13 "2004-10-11T18:33:13Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Bright guy, though, and often with an interesting take on things – hope he’s able to learn his lesson and rejoin us later. If by “interesting” you mean “stark raving nutters,” I agree. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![herownself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8baadc/32.png) [@herownself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/herownself)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/14 "2004-10-11T18:33:54Z")
I’m really, really sad about this. **Lissener** is a friend of mine IRL, and very passionate about what he believes is true, and what he thinks is right and wrong or fair and unfair or just and unjust. Too passionate, sometimes, for it to work out well in writing. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/15 "2004-10-11T18:35:33Z")
All I’m sayin’ is, Verhoeven ain’t worth getting banned over. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/16 "2004-10-11T18:37:55Z")
> [@herownself](#): > > I’m really, really sad about this. **Lissener** is a friend of mine IRL, and very passionate about what he believes is true, and what he thinks is right and wrong or fair and unfair or just and unjust. Too passionate, sometimes, for it to work out well in writing. Then isn’t it up to him to **calm the fuck down** and reread his posts before he submits them? ---
**Author:** ![Jenny\_Haniver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Jenny\_Haniver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenny_Haniver)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/17 "2004-10-11T18:39:28Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Now, if they want to ban the phrase “ignorant asshole” completely from Cafe Society, that’s their decision. Hey, if they’re taking requests, I’m hoping they ban any more discussions of _Showgirls_ and _Starship Troopers_. **Ever**. No matter how good or bad anyone thinks these movies are, they do NOT deserve the amount of discussion they get in Cafe Society. I’m sick and tired of every friggin conversation on directors winding up as a referendum on whether Elizabeth Berkeley was doing the floppy splashy dolphin sex scene _ironically_. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/18 "2004-10-11T18:39:58Z")
I’m sorry to see **lissener** is banned. He’s honest. I hope he’ll come back soon. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/19 "2004-10-11T18:40:09Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Then isn’t it up to him to **calm the fuck down** and reread his posts before he submits them? Well, yes. Hence the banning. I’m still sad he couldn’t learn to do just that, though. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674/20 "2004-10-11T18:43:57Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > So sad that he had to get so fanatically devoted to that one issue. [One](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=265602&page=1&pp=50&highlight=american+bull) [issue](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=271475&page=2&highlight=ivylass)? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-banned/268674.md?page=2)