# Lissner, This Pit Is For You.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 24, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395 "2009-12-24T00:08:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/181 "2009-12-27T21:49:52Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#):
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> Oh, please. **Lissener** has been spraying cat piss all over this board for years. These issues are not “unrelated.” They’re all part and parcel of his remarkable assholishness.
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> It makes no sense to limit the discussion to only one aspect of his assholishness. The other aspects are necessary to put it in the necessary context.
If someone acts like an asshole, and they also happen to suffer from depression, it doesn’t make much sense to me to point fingers and go “You’re an asshole! And you’re depressed! ha ha!” When you do that, what message are you sending to the people who are perfectly nice, and also struggle with depression issues?
I don’t pay much attention to his posts, so maybe I’m just missing a crucial element that everyone gets here. And I enjoy watching Showgirls. I don’t think it’s “good”, but I do find it fun to watch. 🙂
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### Author:  [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/182 "2009-12-27T22:12:34Z")
> [@torie](#):
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> If someone acts like an asshole, and they also happen to suffer from depression, it doesn’t make much sense to me to point fingers and go “You’re an asshole! And you’re depressed! ha ha!” When you do that, \*\*what message \*\*are you sending to the people who are perfectly nice, and also struggle with depression issues?
Be glad you aren’t also a complete asshole too ?
I’ve known my share of depressed and borderline depressed people. None of them are assholish unrepentant kitty killers. Maybe there is some corelation between depression and kitty killing, but my wag is that it is a weak corelation.
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### Author:  [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/183 "2009-12-27T22:41:40Z")
> [@billfish678](#):
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> Be glad you aren’t also a complete asshole too ?
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> I’ve known my share of depressed and borderline depressed people. None of them are assholish unrepentant kitty killers. Maybe there is some corelation between depression and kitty killing, but my wag is that it is a weak corelation.
Some people are assholes because they are depressed and some people are assholes whether they are depressed or not. The kitty killing and depression may be correlated, but I suspect not. I think that kind of thing is something you either have it in you to do or not.
So my point is not that I think the two are related, but that some things should be just be off-limits, to be respectful.
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### Author:  [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/184 "2009-12-27T22:57:55Z")
> [@torie](#):
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> If someone acts like an asshole, and they also happen to suffer from depression, it doesn’t make much sense to me to point fingers and go “You’re an asshole! And you’re depressed! ha ha!” When you do that, what message are you sending to the people who are perfectly nice, and also struggle with depression issues?
I didn’t think anyone was dicking on him for being depressed. They were criticizing him for being an asshole. He may be an asshole with mental issues, but he’s still an asshole.
I’m (mostly) perfectly nice, and I struggle with depression issues. I am sometimes hurt by what some ignoramuses say about clinical depression and the people who suffer from it. But I didn’t see any of that in this thread. There was nothing in this thread that even pinged my ouch-o-meter.
Look, it’s really cool when people cut you some slack for having less than perfect mental health, but having depression and/or other mental health issues does NOT give you carte blanche to do whatever you want free from the judgment of others.
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> I don’t pay much attention to his posts, so maybe I’m just missing a crucial element that everyone gets here.
I think you may indeed be missing something. I can’t even really explain it. All I can say is that I’m not usually bothered by other posters except at the most superficial level. I can’t understand why anyone would bother to use the ignore list because I can’t imagine being that irked by anyone. But **lissener** is the one person on this board who does really annoy me.
I know, I know…that and $2.25 will get you on the subway and YMMV and all that, but I’m quite certain that if he manages to inspire vitriol in _me_, he probably inspires it in lots of others.
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> [@torie](#):
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> Some people are assholes because they are depressed and some people are assholes whether they are depressed or not. The kitty killing and depression may be correlated, but I suspect not. I think that kind of thing is something you either have it in you to do or not.
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> So my point is not that I think the two are related, but that some things should be just be off-limits, to be respectful.
Respectful of _WHAT_? Refusing to call people on their behavior just because they’re mentally ill is just another way of marginalizing mental illness.
Besides, people who are assholish only because they’re depressed or whatever feel contrite about it and try to make amends. I’ve done things I’m ashamed of because of my less-than-perfect mental health. Note that I say that I’m ashamed.
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### Author:  [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/185 "2009-12-28T00:34:26Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#):
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> Respectful of _WHAT_? Refusing to call people on their behavior just because they’re mentally ill is just another way of marginalizing mental illness.
Just a base level of respect that I think any person should have for anyone. I’m not talking about refusing to call someone out on their bullshit because they have an illness, just not allowing the illness to become an issue in an otherwise unrelated argument in order to score points or hurt the other person.
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### Author:  [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/186 "2009-12-28T00:48:33Z")
> [@needscoffee](#):
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> After Lissener tossed the cat out the door, the cat **left**.
This reminds me of the Ron White bit… something about bouncers tossing him from a bar and being arrested for being drunk in public,\*\*\* “… but I wasn’t drunk in public, I was drunk in the bar. They threw me in public.”\*\*\*
Oh, and yeah, **Lissener** is a complete shit for his actions.
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### Author:  [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/187 "2009-12-28T00:53:37Z")
> [@Cicero](#):
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> Lissener is an arsehole, Michael Ellis is a young kid with a smart mouth and Kimmy is a thoroughly unpleasant person. We need four pages to work this out??
While I think you vastly overrate the intelligence of Michael Ellis’ mouth, I agree with the general point of this.
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### Author:  [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/188 "2009-12-28T04:08:50Z")
> [@torie](#):
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> Just a base level of respect that I think any person should have for anyone. I’m not talking about refusing to call someone out on their bullshit because they have an illness, just not allowing the illness to become an issue in an otherwise unrelated argument in order to score points or hurt the other person.
I see where you’re coming from. You see the arguments as unrelated. I don’t. Fair enough.
So you wanna talk about how craptacular Showgirls was?
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### Author:  [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/189 "2009-12-28T05:33:55Z")
> [@Zeriel](#):
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> What PunditLisa said–you fill a soup can with pennies or whatever, tape it shut, and rattle it once hard when the cat is doing something you don’t want it to do. In some cases it works better than a squirtgun because you don’t have to aim it and sound cannot be dodged.
So let me get this straight. A shake can isn’t luring a cat into a big empty popcorn tin,
quickly securing the lid,
And then SHAKING IT!
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### Author:  [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/190 "2009-12-28T18:31:49Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#):
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> So let me get this straight. A shake can isn’t luring a cat into a big empty popcorn tin,
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> quickly securing the lid,
> And then SHAKING IT!
I’ve been tempted sometimes, but no, no it’s not.
We did try the “friendship box” at one point though.
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/191 "2009-12-28T18:52:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> Great. Now lissener can be visited by ghost of asshole past (Jack Handy), asshole present (Curtis LeMay) and asshole future (himself?)
Damn, I was just thinking of Curtis Lemay – the real one. Now there’s a guy who did a lot of cruel things and I don’t think he was ashamed of them. Burning down half of Japan and nuking the other half. He won a war and probably saved hundreds of thousands of American and Japanese lives in the aggregate, but hey, cruel is cruel. Perhaps lissner thought killing this cat would be an example to other misbehaving cats, resulting in more happy cats and owners.
You know who else did cruel things he wasn’t ashamed of, don’t you? HITLER!!
I win.
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/192 "2009-12-28T18:54:34Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#):
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> So let me get this straight. A shake can isn’t luring a cat into a big empty popcorn tin,
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> quickly securing the lid,
> And then SHAKING IT!
You got most of it right. Once the cat is in the tin, you fire up the stove and put it on. The cat provides the shaking.
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### Author:  [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/193 "2009-12-28T19:14:33Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#):
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> Cat people are genuinely crazy.
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> Of course, had this been a dog I’d be first in line to execute Lissener. But then, dogs are social animals and cats are diffident little shits.
Well said sir.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/194 "2009-12-28T19:57:11Z")
So am I getting the correct impression that no one on the SDMB has ever done anything cruel for which they are unrepentant? Does that mean you stew in guilt or that you’re all saints?
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/195 "2009-12-28T20:17:29Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> So am I getting the correct impression that no one on the SDMB has ever done anything cruel for which they are unrepentant? Does that mean you stew in guilt or that you’re all saints?
Are you sure you understand what’s being talked about here?
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/196 "2009-12-28T20:48:57Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#):
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> You know who else did cruel things he wasn’t ashamed of, don’t you? HITLER!!
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> I win.
You just phoned that Godwinization in - I’m not buying it. You needed to say something like, “You know who else put cats out in the snow and didn’t regret it? HITLER!!”
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### Author:  [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/197 "2009-12-28T21:03:58Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#):
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> You just phoned that Godwinization in - I’m not buying it. You needed to say something like, “You know who else put cats out in the snow and didn’t regret it? HITLER!!”
That sounds more like Stalin’s style, really.
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### Author:  [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/198 "2009-12-28T21:12:33Z")
isn’t the poster in question’s name spelled
lissener?
Just wanted to clarify.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/199 "2009-12-28T21:36:04Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#):
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> Are you sure you understand what’s being talked about here?
It’s all so darned complicated but I think I understand. I’m just trying to get the thread back on track since this is basically a continuation of the closed lissener thread.
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### Author:  [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/200 "2009-12-28T21:46:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#):
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> The cat could also have been ill. We had a cat that started peeing on furniture and the like. Turned out to be a bladder tumor and she had to be put down. If a cat all of a sudden starts peeing on things, you don’t just assume it’s doing it out of spite – first you take said cat to the vet.
Or it could be a problem that the vet could easily resolve. My Luna peed on my coat last year, and there was blood. I took her to the vet, he gave her antibiotics for her urinary tract infection, and she was fine a few days later.
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