# Lissner, This Pit Is For You.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 24, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395 "2009-12-24T00:08:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 11
### Author:  [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/201 "2009-12-28T21:52:28Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> It’s all so darned complicated but I think I understand. I’m just trying to get the thread back on track since this is basically a continuation of the closed lissener thread.
It is just a continuation of **lissener’s** initial thread. He did something that the OP thought was despicable so was pitted for it. Other people’s unrelated actions are irrelevant.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/202 "2009-12-28T22:08:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> So am I getting the correct impression that no one on the SDMB has ever done anything cruel for which they are unrepentant? Does that mean you stew in guilt or that you’re all saints?
I said earlier in this thread that no, I haven’t done something as cruel as what Lissener is alleged to have done.
This thread is specifically intended to call out Lissener as the douchebag he obviously is.
It was hard to even type that now, since I’ve gone from pitraged to apathetic about it.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/203 "2009-12-28T22:10:08Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#):
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> It is just a continuation of **lissener’s** initial thread. He did something that the OP thought was despicable so was pitted for it. Other people’s unrelated actions are irrelevant.
Since you agree that this is a continuation of the “What cruel things have you done” thread, it seems you are having a cognitive disconnect if you think other people’s actions are irrelevant.
😕
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/204 "2009-12-28T22:13:41Z")
It’s a continuation of **lissener** saying, “I did this cruel thing that involves cute, fuzzy creatures very popular on this board and I don’t care” and everyone else calling him a dick.
[Obviousman]
People sometimes start threads that they intend to go one way, only to find that’s not the direction it’s going to go.
[/Obviousman]
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/205 "2009-12-28T22:34:14Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#):
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> It’s a continuation of **lissener** saying, “I did this cruel thing that involves cute, fuzzy creatures very popular on this board and I don’t care” and everyone else calling him a dick.
Yes, I’m just quite surprised at the lack of glass house ownership.
And to be fair to lissener, this did happen 25 years ago so the cat would be dead by now anyways. 😉
Speaking of which, how old is lissener? I think he isn’t much past 40 right now so he was probably quite young when he committed this act of thoughtless anger/revenge. I think you should all just let bygones be bygones even if you still wouldn’t ask him to cat-sit for you.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/206 "2009-12-28T22:36:24Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> Speaking of which, how old is lissener? I think he isn’t much past 40 right now so he was probably quite young when he committed this act of thoughtless anger/revenge. I think you should all just let bygones be bygones even if you still wouldn’t ask him to cat-sit for you.
So what you’re saying is that we shouldn’t discuss it?
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/207 "2009-12-28T22:39:12Z")
I thought that was your line but I have to wonder how many people have to register their disgust with lissener before you figure the mission is accomplished.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/208 "2009-12-28T23:05:00Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#):
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> It’s a continuation of **lissener** saying, “I did this cruel thing that involves cute, fuzzy creatures very popular on this board and I don’t care” and everyone else calling him a dick.
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> [Obviousman]
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> People sometimes start threads that they intend to go one way, only to find that’s not the direction it’s going to go.
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> [/Obviousman]
And sometimes they know, or should know, that a thread is going in a certain direction, and their protests to the contrary ring more than a little hollow.
Negative attention is better than no attention. And sometimes, people like to whine.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/209 "2009-12-28T23:17:56Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> So am I getting the correct impression that no one on the SDMB has ever done anything cruel for which they are unrepentant? Does that mean you stew in guilt or that you’re all saints?
No, I’m not a saint, and no, I don’t “stew in guilt.” I do, however, have regrets about things I’ve done, and if I could, I’d definitely take them back.
[sub]Well, except for the time I tied my sister to a chair when we were kids. She would stop bothering me, so I somehow got her to sit in one of our little kiddie chairs, and tied her too it with a sash. But um, I was eight and she was two, so I don’t know if that counts. I still think it’s funny, though.[/sub] 😉
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/210 "2009-12-28T23:31:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> he was probably quite young when he committed this act of thoughtless anger/revenge. I think you should all just let bygones be bygones
Well, let’s just wait for the 25th anniversary of him starting his thread.
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### Author:  [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/211 "2009-12-29T00:56:04Z")
I seem to be in the minority where cats’ ability to survive is concerned. I’ve watched my friend’s cats run away in the middle of (cold snowy) winter and show up weeks later, seemingly unfazed. Yah, those guys were used to the outdoors, but I still think the cat in question had better odds than the popular opinion.
Guess it is a side issue tho. I haven’t followed **Lissener** ’s 'dope career so far-this might be the first I’ve heard of him- and I suppose I’m not too interested in breaking his balls for this. What is really interesting about this is that here we have a hoarder who has caused outrage by throwing something away. Doesn’t there seem to be a locus there? Doesn’t this sort of reinforce hoarding? Is **Lissener** still doing that btw?
I am starting to wonder about hoarding now, and if that is at the heart of the matter. How serious of a (mental) issue is hoarding? Is **Lissener** ok?
And since it is the holiday season, here is a little [fairy tale](http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_match.html) about freezing to death. It isn’t so bad from this perspective.
Oh, and I’m pretty sure Hitler was a dog person.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/212 "2009-12-29T01:13:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#):
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> Negative attention is better than no attention. And sometimes, people like to whine.
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> Regards,
> Shodan
Pot meet Kettle.
Regards,
Tacoloco.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/213 "2009-12-29T01:17:28Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> I thought that was your line but I have to wonder how many people have to register their disgust with lissener before you figure the mission is accomplished.
My point is don’t bust my balls about that and then come here and post basically the same thing.
Or
I wonder how many people have to complain about Twicksters moving of Lissener’s thread before you figure your mission is accomplished.
People continue to bleat on and on and on about Twickster’s actions, which is hardly any different that people bleating on and on and on about Lissener’s (alleged) actions. It’s not really rational, but it IS classic dope.
I really don’t care so much about this thread anymore, except as a diversion from whatever else I’m doing on the computer. I also didn’t care who else agreed or disagreed with me. It was my pit thread for my own purpose. Other people showing up was of little concern to me.
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/214 "2009-12-29T01:49:01Z")
I still wonder if there is any kernel of salvageability from the thread. Can an obviously not-declawed cat survive in the snow? is pretty much all that’s been debated. But I see plenty of other topics like:
[ul]
[li]Is cruelty inherently immoral? [/li][li]Can it ever be justified?[/li][li]Can nonhumans actually be malevolent? [/li][li]If so, what is the appropriate punishment?[/li][/ul]
ETA: **tacoloco** : I think both threads have the same purpose for continuing: the bigger fuss we make about it, the less likely the person is to do it again.
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### Author:  [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/215 "2009-12-29T01:55:07Z")
> [@BigT](#):
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> ETA: **tacoloco** : I think both threads have the same purpose for continuing: the bigger fuss we make about it, the less likely the person is to do it again.
You think Lissener is a _serial_ cat thrower?
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### Author:  [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/216 "2009-12-29T01:57:17Z")
> [@BigT](#):
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> ETA: **tacoloco** : I think both threads have the same purpose for continuing: the bigger fuss we make about it, the less likely the person is to do it again.
Really. You think that someone that posts a kitty-killing thread on the kittylovin’ dope didn’t fully expect the ‘fuss’?
Truth is, I saw great potential in that other thread, too. I was already challenging myself to come up with cruel, unrepentant things I have done, and why.
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### Author:  [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/217 "2009-12-29T02:19:27Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#):
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> You think Lissener is a _serial_ cat thrower?
At least he’s not a cereal cat thrower.
Cereal doesn’t stay crunchy in snow.
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### Author:  [@mecaenas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mecaenas)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/218 "2009-12-29T12:31:19Z")
> [@tacoloco](#):
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> Bzzt. Thanks for playing.
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> The cat killed some snakes. The cat didn’t even eat the snakes, so they weren’t “food” they were “toys”. And given that the cat was an INDOOR cat, it’s pretty clear that the cat was unprepared for life outside on it’s own. Not to mention that it was thrown out in the snow.
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> Since you cleary missed it, here’s the relevant part of Lissener’s post:
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> Now which part of this can someone use to come to a reasonable conclusion that the cat was capable of hunting and feeding itself? Clue: None.
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> I’m guessing my 3 cats have better reading comprehension skills than you do. Oh I’m sorry that was rude. My bad.
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> Perhaps this comes as a suprise, but a house cat isn’t a feral cat. You’re welcome.
Perhaps this will come as a suprise to you but where I live, feral cats aren’t native animals, they’re domestic cats gone wild (and their subsequent litters). They didn’t materialise out of thin air, they’re “good” cats gone “bad” which clearly proves that domesticated animals can survive.
I’m sure domestic animals like living soft comfy lives, but when throw into the wild their instincts will kick in and can save them. Not always a guarantee but by no means a death sentence. I think we humans are too quick to project our own thoughts and emotions onto animals. Yes, the wild is a big scary place without comfy houses, TV shows, fast food, hospitals and police departments, but cats are animals, not people. Cats are fundamentally animals, they have the tools (claws, teeth, stalking) and the instincts necessary to hunt and kill for food.
Besides, that cat had already killed for sport, for entertainment. Do you honestly think that cat would hold back from killing to eat because it’s a pawr liddle howse cat, scared and alone? No. Cats, like any carnivorous animal can be vicious killing machines if their life is on the line. I’m guessing the cat’s biggest threat is the cold, not starvation.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/219 "2009-12-29T16:30:54Z")
[quote=“mecaenas, post:218, topic:522395”]
Perhaps this will come as a suprise to you but where I live, feral cats aren’t native animals, they’re domestic cats gone wild (and their subsequent litters). They didn’t materialise out of thin air, they’re “good” cats gone “bad” which clearly proves that domesticated animals can survive.
[/quote
I don’t doubt that cats familiar and comfortable with being outside and may find a way to survive. Those cats are familiar with the hazards, both natural and man made. A cat that has spent it’s whole life indoors is likely at a far greater risk for injury or death than one who knows not to cross the busy street, for example.
I suspect, but don’t know, that most feral cats are cats that are indoor/outdoor pets.
> [@](#):
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> No. Cats, like any carnivorous animal can be vicious killing machines if their life is on the line. I’m guessing the cat’s biggest threat is the cold, not starvation.
Perhaps starvation isn’t on the top of the list. But the fact remains that an indoor cat will be ill prepared for life outdoors. Cold, confusion, natural and especially man-made hazards like cars are all risks.
In the end, none of that matters. It isn’t about whether the cat survived or not. It’s about the complete bullshit way Lissener handled it. There is a right way to deal with cat problems and a wrong way. Lissener did it wrong. Thus the impetus for the pitting.
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### Author:  [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)
#### Post date: [December 29, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/220 "2009-12-29T17:58:01Z")
> [@mecaenas](#):
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> .
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> Besides, that cat had already killed for sport, for entertainment. Do you honestly think that cat would hold back from killing to eat because it’s a pawr liddle howse cat, scared and alone? No. Cats, like any carnivorous animal can be vicious killing machines if their life is on the line. I’m guessing the cat’s biggest threat is the cold, not starvation.
How many days could you survive in the snow in dead of winter by finding enough wild pray to eat to keep warm?
You do know you keep warm by “burning food” so to speak ? Little to no food, you aint going to keep warm long.
Yeah, the cat MAY have survived, but there is a reasonable and not terribly low chance that it did not.
Dipshit.
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