# Lissner, This Pit Is For You.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 24, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395 "2009-12-24T00:08:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 18
### Author:  [@jordanr2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jordanr2)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/341 "2010-01-07T18:18:35Z")
> [@Steampunk\_Willie](#):
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> So who here eats meat that is produced by the American meat ‘machine’ (band name!)? 'Cause you might be a hypocrite… :eek:
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> Yes, Lissner did something cruel or whatever you want to call it but put it in prospective. That cat may have died in the snow and that is unfortunate but at least before that it hadn’t had parts of it cruelly cut off, shoved in a tiny cage with other kittens, and fattened up to be eventually eaten. Hell, it got to see sunlight. And this is how we treat animals in \* America\*. There are places where animal cruelty is a foreign concept and dogs/cats are snacks. We boil lobsters alive (you can hear them scream) and most people could care less. It’s a kitten, it is cute, so automatically Lissner is now Kitty-Hitler. He may have well have lured it into a easy bake oven the way some of you are responding. Those not so adorable innocent BABY snakes the cat killed barely got a mention from anyone here.
This is exactly to the point. For a lot of people who won’t admit it, **lissener** ’s transgression was one of aesthetics, not of morals - cats are cute, the things killed in slaughterhouses are not, what he did is unforgivable (she hissed between bites of a cheeseburger).
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### Author:  [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/342 "2010-01-07T18:39:31Z")
> [@jordanr2](#):
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> what he did is unforgivable (she hissed between bites of a cheeseburger).
haaaaaaaaaa!!!
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/343 "2010-01-07T19:52:00Z")
> [@jordanr2](#):
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> This is exactly to the point. For a lot of people who won’t admit it, **lissener** ’s transgression was one of aesthetics, not of morals - cats are cute, the things killed in slaughterhouses are not, what he did is unforgivable (she hissed between bites of a cheeseburger).
It’s always a good time when somebody tries to tell me what I -really- think. :rolleyes:
The distinction you draw doesn’t matter. In the end what Lissener did was a shitty thing to do. YMMV as to whether that registers on anyone’s particular morality scale.
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### Author:  [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/344 "2010-01-07T19:54:07Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> I was referring to the post directly above mine, which was in response to the post directly above it. I was calling **doughbag** a d-bag. Hardy har.
Whatever.
If my dislike of cruelty to animals makes me a d-bag, I can live with that.
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### Author:  [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/345 "2010-01-07T20:09:35Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#):
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> God, you people are fucking stupid. Cats are animals. Animals usually live outdoors. Pissy-cat got what was coming to it.
A HOUSE-Cat does not live outdoors and defiantly not in a cold region. They are pets to live indoors. If they live indoors for all their life, they are not able to live outdoors.
To prove my point, just try this:
Take your shoes and socks off and go outside for a short 30min walk.
Since your feet where designed to walk on, you don’t need shoes, right?
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### Author:  [@jordanr2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jordanr2)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/346 "2010-01-07T20:29:51Z")
> [@tacoloco](#):
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> It’s always a good time when somebody tries to tell me what I -really- think. :rolleyes:
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> The distinction you draw doesn’t matter. In the end what Lissener did was a shitty thing to do. YMMV as to whether that registers on anyone’s particular morality scale.
Not disagreeing that he shouldn’t have done this, but if you’re someone who enjoys the occasional lobster, you have no room to talk.
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### Author:  [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/347 "2010-01-07T20:31:38Z")
> [@Doughbag](#):
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> Whatever.
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> If my dislike of cruelty to animals makes me a d-bag, I can live with that.
Your user name is d-bag. Maybe you should change it.
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/348 "2010-01-07T20:34:12Z")
> [@jordanr2](#):
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> Not disagreeing that he shouldn’t have done this, but if you’re someone who enjoys the occasional lobster, you have no room to talk.
Because lobsters are human companions, when?
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### Author:  [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/349 "2010-01-07T20:41:54Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> Because lobsters are human companions, when?
You got something to say to Clampy? :mad:
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### Author:  [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/350 "2010-01-07T20:42:44Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> Your user name is d-bag. Maybe you should change it.
Well, it’s not actually d-bag. If you would have used your spectacles you could properly read, but then again you might be to dim to understand it.
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/351 "2010-01-07T20:45:49Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> Because lobsters are human companions, when?
Dinnertime!
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### Author:  [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/352 "2010-01-07T20:52:38Z")
> [@jordanr2](#):
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> Not disagreeing that he shouldn’t have done this, but if you’re someone who enjoys the occasional lobster, you have no room to talk.
The idea that being a carnivore makes it OK to abuse companion animals is moronic. Or that whatever we do to one it is OK to do to another. Smashing a mosquito who lands on my arm is one thing. Crushing someone’s pet canary who does the same is another thing altogether.
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### Author:  [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/353 "2010-01-07T20:59:56Z")
I want to hear more about the lobsters screaming please.
:rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/354 "2010-01-07T21:06:35Z")
> [@Bosstone](#):
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> You got something to say to Clampy? :mad:
Yes, “cooking pot”.
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### Author:  [@jordanr2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jordanr2)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/355 "2010-01-07T21:08:18Z")
> [@stpauler](#):
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> I want to hear more about the lobsters screaming please.
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> :rolleyes:
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More\_Pricks\_Than\_Kicks](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Pricks_Than_Kicks)
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### Author:  [@jordanr2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jordanr2)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/356 "2010-01-07T21:11:04Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#):
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> The idea that being a carnivore makes it OK to abuse companion animals is moronic. Or that whatever we do to one it is OK to do to another. Smashing a mosquito who lands on my arm is one thing. Crushing someone’s pet canary who does the same is another thing altogether.
Suffering is suffering, be it a lobster or a cat (and frankly I find lobsters cuter than cats). I’m an omnivore and I recognize the ethical ramifications of this - what **lissener** did was obviously wrong, but also pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. There’s just no need for people to get so redundantly worked up about all this.
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/357 "2010-01-07T21:16:24Z")
> [@jordanr2](#):
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> Suffering is suffering, be it a lobster or a cat (and frankly I find lobsters cuter than cats). I’m an omnivore and I recognize the ethical ramifications of this - what **lissener** did was obviously wrong, but also pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. There’s just no need for people to get so redundantly worked up about all this.
I think you are misidentifying good old healthy venting as being “redundantly worked up”.
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### Author:  [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/358 "2010-01-07T21:21:42Z")
> [@jordanr2](#):
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> Suffering is suffering, be it a lobster or a cat (and frankly I find lobsters cuter than cats). I’m an omnivore and I recognize the ethical ramifications of this - what **lissener** did was obviously wrong, but also pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. There’s just no need for people to get so redundantly worked up about all this.
If a carnivore has no room to talk, why is what \*\*lissener \*\*did wrong?
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/359 "2010-01-07T21:24:38Z")
> [@jordanr2](#):
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> Suffering is suffering, be it a lobster or a cat (and frankly I find lobsters cuter than cats). I’m an omnivore and I recognize the ethical ramifications of this - what **lissener** did was obviously wrong, but also pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. There’s just no need for people to get so redundantly worked up about all this.
Clearly, what Lissener did doesn’t rise to whatever level your particular outrage meter is set to. For others it does. That doesn’t mean those people (myself included) are wrong or that they shouldn’t get “worked up” about it.
Making assumptions about what people really think and then preaching to them about how they shouldn’t think that isn’t the way to go.
As far as being redundant, new people show up in the the thread for the first time and then it sort of flares up again.
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### Author:  [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/360 "2010-01-07T22:02:50Z")
> [@Doughbag](#):
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> Well, it’s not actually d-bag. If you would have used your spectacles you could properly read, but then again you might be to dim to understand it.
I know I risk a dressing down by sticking my nose in here, but I would just like to point out that as a fan of MOL’s humor, I am pretty certain she was just joking with you and assuming you were of the same kind of humor.
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