# Lissner, This Pit Is For You.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 24, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395 "2009-12-24T00:08:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/141 "2009-12-26T21:58:39Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> So… have any of you nutjobs in this thread seriously _never_ done _anything_ that you knew was fucked up at the time, did it anyway, believe it is fucked up in hindsight, but still don’t care? Did this action, if any, involve a human, or a cat?
I once shot a man just to watch him die.
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### Author:  [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/142 "2009-12-26T22:18:16Z")
I pit Lissenor for being to nice to the cat. Some little shits are just born evil.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/143 "2009-12-26T23:07:05Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#):
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> Yeah. **lissener** seemed to think the cat was doing it out of a sense of evil or being mean. It seems like a mistake to take it personally. Yeah, it’s sad to come home to dead animals, but I doubt the cat was trying to be all sinister. I don’t think it’s a good idea to own an animal if you’re going to treat it as a little person.
The cat could also have been ill. We had a cat that started peeing on furniture and the like. Turned out to be a bladder tumor and she had to be put down. If a cat all of a sudden starts peeing on things, you don’t just assume it’s doing it out of spite – first you take said cat to the vet.
As for Gladys not getting along with the new kitten – well, so what? Some of my cats never learned to get along. Gypsy and Maggie hate each other. Our cat Noel used to beat up the dog if she thought Lexie had done something to one of the other cats. Maggie still slaps at the others – it’s a sign of dominance.
(She would jump on Lexie’s back and just start beating the shit out of her. My mother once was bitten really bad trying to separate the two of them)
They’re CATS. That’s how they behave – they have a sense of hierarchy, and it’s a way of saying, “Dammmit, I’M the boss, you don’t fucking piss me off!”
> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> So… have any of you nutjobs in this thread seriously _never_ done _anything_ that you knew was fucked up at the time, did it anyway, believe it is fucked up in hindsight, but still don’t care? Did this action, if any, involve a human, or a cat?
Yes, I have indeed done things that were quite cruel, but unlike **lissener** , I happen to have a sense of remorse. And I do indeed regret doing them. (No, I haven’t killed any animals or physically abused human beings, but I have treated friends like shit in the past)
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/144 "2009-12-26T23:33:20Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#):
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> Just because you can’t be bothered to show a sense of proportion doesn’t mean I can’t call you out on it, nimrod.
Kiss my ass. You know you want to.
Fucking retard.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/145 "2009-12-26T23:35:28Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> So… have any of you nutjobs in this thread seriously _never_ done _anything_ that you knew was fucked up at the time, did it anyway, believe it is fucked up in hindsight, but still don’t care? Did this action, if any, involve a human, or a cat?
I’ve never done anything as fucked up what Lissener did.
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### Author:  [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/146 "2009-12-26T23:41:16Z")
> [@needscoffee](#):
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> The cat left and chose not to return.
Right. The cat left. That may be the most idiotic thing said in this thread so far.
> [@](#):
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> Based on decades of cat ownership and fostering, I’d say the odds are extremely good that the cat found itself another family to take care of it.
So how is it that you track the movement of cats that have been abandoned in winter well enough to state that the odds favor a happy ending? And why in hell do you think your puny little sample would be representative of cats in general?
5,000 cats were killed in my county’s animal shelter last year. Those must have been some really unlucky SOBs.
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### Author:  [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/147 "2009-12-26T23:52:36Z")
> [@tacoloco](#):
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> Kiss my ass. You know you want to.
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> Fucking retard.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you worthless shit-eating fool. You went all HULK SMASH over a cat that may or may not have been dead for more than two decades before you posted, and you’re still getting ridiculously overwrought over anyone who points out you fell for some Grade D troll bait hook, line and sinker.
You suck harder than the late lamented Linda Lovelace. Never post again.
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### Author:  [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/148 "2009-12-27T00:05:30Z")
> [@CWN](#):
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> If I knew it was fucked up before hand I **wouldn’t have done it, If after doing it I thought it was fucked up - I would have regretted** it
> It seems the only " nutjobs" here are those who knowingly do fucked up things and don’t care :rolleyes:
I find it nutty to pretend you don’t do anything wrong ever, and that the one time you slipped was back in 1976, and you’ve regretted it deeply every moment of your life since.
> [@needscoffee](#):
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> I once shot a man just to watch him die.
Well, watching a man die certainly is interesting, especially if in as boring of a town as Reno.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/149 "2009-12-27T00:08:14Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#):
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> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you worthless shit-eating fool. You went all HULK SMASH over a cat that may or may not have been dead for more than two decades before you posted, and you’re still getting ridiculously overwrought over anyone who points out you fell for some Grade D troll bait hook, line and sinker.
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> You suck harder than the late lamented Linda Lovelace. Never post again.
0/10. Try harder next time, Mikey.
Oh and if this is “overwrought” in your world, I suggest you get some big boy pants and head out into the real world where this doesn’t compare to real shit. But don’t cry when people are mean to you. You can call your Mommy if you want though. I’m sure she’ll comfort you and tell you what a big boy you turned out to be. It won’t be true, but you can live the delusion if you want.
Now shoo, Mr. Internet Tough Guy. The adults are talking.
P.S. Kiss my ass. You know you want to.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/150 "2009-12-27T00:11:33Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> I find it nutty to pretend you don’t do anything wrong ever, and that the one time you slipped was back in 1976, and you’ve regretted it deeply every moment of your life since.
There’s a difference between doing something “wrong” and (allegedly) doing something cruel like what Lissener (allegedly) did.
Everybody has done something wrong. Everyone has done things they regret. I’d hope that most people would have done the humane thing when presented with the situation Lissener had.
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### Author:  [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/151 "2009-12-27T00:15:00Z")
I’m not condoning what lissener did. I probably would have sent the cat to a shelter, or given it to a friend or something (and I hate cats), but I find the whole “CAT MURDERER!!! YOU’RE THE WORST PERSON WHO HAS _EVER_ LIVED! WORSE THAN A MILLION HITLERS!” reaction to be a bit, well, stupid as shit.
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### Author:  [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/152 "2009-12-27T00:16:23Z")
> [@tacoloco](#):
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> 0/10. Try harder next time, Mikey.
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> Oh and if this is “overwrought” in your world, I suggest you get some big boy pants and head out into the real world where this doesn’t compare to real shit. But don’t cry when people are mean to you. You can call your Mommy if you want though. I’m sure she’ll comfort you and tell you what a big boy you turned out to be. It won’t be true, but you can live the delusion if you want.
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> Now shoo, Mr. Internet Tough Guy. The adults are talking.
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> P.S. Kiss my ass. You know you want to.
God you’re pathetic. Answer me this: do you care this much that in New Zealand cats are routinely shot if they get too close to endangered wildlife preservers, even if they’re someone’s “defenseless indoor cat”?
Oh… also: lick the diarrhea from my ass. You know you want to.
> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> I’m not condoning what lissener did. I probably would have sent the cat to a shelter, or given it to a friend or something (and I hate cats), but I find the whole “CAT MURDERER!!! YOU’RE THE WORST PERSON WHO HAS EVER LIVED! WORSE THAN A MILLION HITLERS!” reaction to be a bit, well, stupid as shit.
Thank you. At least one person understands my point.
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### Author:  [@St.Anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Anger)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/153 "2009-12-27T00:26:21Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#):
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> Oh… also: lick the diarrhea from my ass. You know you want to.
What I want to do right now is throw up.
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### Author:  [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/154 "2009-12-27T00:27:01Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#):
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> Oh… also: lick the diarrhea from my ass. You know you want to.
_I_ want to.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/155 "2009-12-27T00:30:12Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#):
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> God you’re pathetic. Answer me this: do you care this much that in New Zealand cats are routinely shot if they get too close to endangered wildlife preservers, even if they’re someone’s “defenseless indoor cat”?.
If you bothered to read what I posted, you’d see that I don’t have a problem with a cat being put down, if needed. As long as it’s done in humanely. Shooting a cat is certainly far more humane than putting an indoor cat outside in the winter, where the cat may starve to death or otherwise suffer.
As such, I particularly care for the idea of shooting cats as you wrote, but I understand that cats are considered predators in that situation.
It’s irrelevant anyway. The problem here is that Lissener (allegedly) acted in a cruel, inhumane and completely wanton way. On top if which the idiot has no remorse.
Now maybe Lissener is trolling, which still makes him an asshat. But if he did do what he purports to have done, then every bit of shit he’s getting in this thread
is completely deserved. None of which warranted your bullshit “murder him” comment.
Oh, and I doubt anything comes out of your ass with your head so firmly lodged in it.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/156 "2009-12-27T00:32:07Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> I’m not condoning what lissener did. I probably would have sent the cat to a shelter, or given it to a friend or something (and I hate cats), but I find the whole “CAT MURDERER!!! YOU’RE THE WORST PERSON WHO HAS _EVER_ LIVED! WORSE THAN A MILLION HITLERS!” reaction to be a bit, well, stupid as shit.
Who’s saying that? I’m not.
I just think he’s an asshole and I wouldn’t feel one bit bad if bad karma came to bite him in the nutsack.
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### Author:  [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/157 "2009-12-27T00:37:23Z")
> [@tacoloco](#):
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> if you bothered to read what i posted, you’d see that i don’t have a problem with a cat being put down, if needed. As long as it’s done in humanely. Shooting a cat is certainly far more humane than putting an indoor cat outside in the winter, where the cat may starve to death or otherwise suffer.
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> As such, i particularly care for the idea of shooting cats as you wrote, but i understand that cats are considered predators in that situation.
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> It’s irrelevant anyway. The problem here is that lissener (allegedly) acted in a cruel, inhumane and completely wanton way. On top if which the idiot has no remorse.
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> Now maybe lissener is trolling, which still makes him an asshat. But if he did do what he purports to have done, then every bit of shit he’s getting in this thread
> is completely deserved. None of which warranted your bullshit “murder him” comment.
>
> Oh, and i doubt anything comes out of your ass with your head so firmly lodged in it.
UNDERSTAND MY INANE ANGER! Accept MY LACK OF PROPORTION! Please affirm my iDIOCY!!!
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### Author:  [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/158 "2009-12-27T00:37:30Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#):
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> Right. The cat left. That may be the most idiotic thing said in this thread so far..
After Lissener tossed the cat out the door, the cat **left**. The cat did not remain where it was tossed. The cat did not sit at the doorstep. The cat therefore, by definition, left. It’s really not a value judgment.
> [@Contrapuntal](#):
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> So how is it that you track the movement of cats that have been abandoned in winter well enough to state that the odds favor a happy ending? And why in hell do you think your puny little sample would be representative of cats in general?
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> 5,000 cats were killed in my county’s animal shelter last year. Those must have been some really unlucky SOBs.
I think my sample is representative based on my many years of fostering cats for the animal shelter, all of them stray cats brought in by people finding them. I see it every week. I have some fosters right now. Where do you think the 5,000 stray cats that your county’s shelter put to death came from? People brought them in, or called the shelter to catch the abandoned cats and bring them in. At the no-kill shelter I work with, 128 cats were brought in in the last three weeks. All were found. None were brought in by their actual owners (unless, of course, they were ashamed to admit it). Only a few were fully feral. The rest were pets. Lissener’s cat met with an uncertain fate. I don’t know why this is in contention. Unless you are arguing that Lissener should have taken his cat to a shelter, where it would have met certain death, at least in your county. They’re both crappy solutions.
Since when is saying that the cat could have survived reason to send people into total rage? You guys really are nuts.
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### Author:  [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/159 "2009-12-27T00:40:24Z")
> [@needscoffee](#):
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> Since when is saying that the cat could have survived reason to send people into total rage? You guys really are nuts.
Cat people are genuinely crazy.
Of course, had this been a dog I’d be first in line to execute Lissener. But then, dogs are social animals and cats are diffident little shits.
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### Author:  [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)
#### Post date: [December 27, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lissner-this-pit-is-for-you/522395/160 "2009-12-27T00:41:20Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#):
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> UNDERSTAND MY INANE ANGER! Accept MY LACK OF PROPORTION! Please affirm my iDIOCY!!!
I understand your inane anger and I accept your complete lack of proportion.
You’re welcome.
P.S. Kiss my ass. You know you want to.
P.S.S. I got all night
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