# List your Top 10 Players of All-Time from your favorite NFL team

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**Created:** [December 16, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322 "2010-12-16T02:38:57Z")\
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> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> Greg Lloyd? Levon Kirkland? Jack Ham? I think at least Lloyd belongs on the list somewhere despite his injuries and media recalcitrance. He was a force to be reckoned with!

And who do you kick on that list if you include Levon Kirkland and Greg Lloyd? Every one of those picks are or will be in the Hall of Fame. Greg Lloyd will only see the HoF if he buys a ticket.

A few good seasons makes you a great Bengal. It doesn’t make you a great Steeler. There are too many greats for a short-term great to make a long-term list.

**Stink Fish Pot** : No issue with Mel Blount kicking Swann off the list, but I am surprised that you put Bradshaw up so high. Without the rings he’s not even as good numerically as Earl Morrall, and he got kicked to the bench twice in his career for Terry Hanratty and Joe Gilliam. He came through in the clutch, but for me that doesn’t completely eliminate his shortcomings, which were painfully obvious in his later years when the team was much weaker.

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**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/62 "2010-12-18T13:57:10Z")

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> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#):
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> And who do you kick on that list if you include Levon Kirkland and Greg Lloyd? Every one of those picks are or will be in the Hall of Fame. Greg Lloyd will only see the HoF if he buys a ticket.
> 
> A few good seasons makes you a great Bengal. It doesn’t make you a great Steeler. There are too many greats for a short-term great to make a long-term list.
> 
> **Stink Fish Pot** : No issue with Mel Blount kicking Swann off the list, but I am surprised that you put Bradshaw up so high. Without the rings he’s not even as good numerically as Earl Morrall, and he got kicked to the bench twice in his career for Terry Hanratty and Joe Gilliam. He came through in the clutch, but for me that doesn’t completely eliminate his shortcomings, which were painfully obvious in his later years when the team was much weaker.

Lloyd was a five time probowl selection…you don’t think he’ll eventually get in the Hall, or will he not get in because he played for the Steelers and there’s so many of them in already?

And ouch on the Bengals snark…very ouch.

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**Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/63 "2010-12-18T14:25:25Z")

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**Redskins**

1. Sammy Baugh - one of the all-time great football players for \*any \*team. Period.

2. John Riggins - no explanation necessary

3. Art Monk - ditto

4. Darrell Green - ditto

5. Ken Houston - ditto

6. Mark Mosely - only kicker to ever win MVP.:eek:

7. Doug Williams - guided possibly the single most dominant quarter in Super Bowl history

8. Dexter Manley - the Secretary of Defense

9. Russ Grimm - only Hog in the HOF (so far)

10. Sonny Jurgensen - great player, but mostly because he cracks me up listening to him calling Skins games on the radio.

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**Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/64 "2010-12-18T18:47:52Z")

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> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> Lloyd was a five time probowl selection…you don’t think he’ll eventually get in the Hall, or will he not get in because he played for the Steelers and there’s so many of them in already?
> 
> And ouch on the Bengals snark…very ouch.

No, I don’t think that he will make the Hall. The voters haven’t even troubled themselves to put in Donnie Shell, who is only one of the greatest strong safeties to play the game. Lloyd isn’t even the first among Steelers linebackers that deserve to go in.

And that line about the Bengals wasn’t intended to be snarky, although I knew as soon as I submitted it that it would be taken that way. And that’s OK too. But really, let’s face facts: the Bengals have a long history of futility, and when a guy like Rudi Johnson makes an all-time top-10 list even in conversation it’s indicative of a lack of greatness, which their long-term record affirms.

Staying with Rudi Johnson as an example, I might as well put Walter Abercrombie on the Steelers list. The difference is that I have a lot of other options that are much better, and Johnson is a legit pick for the Bengals.

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**Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/65 "2010-12-19T04:49:34Z")

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> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#):
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> Cleveland Browns - My favorites (which means I’d have to have seen them play), not the best
> 
> 1. Michael Jackson - mostly for the name
> 2. Leroy Hoard - You need 1 yard, I’ll get you 2. You need 3 yards, I’ll get you 2.
> 3. Phil Dawson - underrated kicker
> 4. Earnest Byner - great RB, would be my #2 if not for the fumble
> 5. Eric Metcalf - good RB on decent teams
> 6. Josh Cribbs - awesome special teams player and only post-expansion team player on my list
> 7. Michael Dean Perry - beast on the DLine
> 8. Clay Matthews - underrated LB
> 9. Bob Golic - went to ND and was on Saved by the Bell (the College Years)
> 10. Bernie Kosar - great QB, maybe even better commentator (mostly for drunkenness)

Did you have to see him play to know that Jim Brown just might be one of the top 10 Browns of All-time?  
No Leroy Kelly?  
No love for Brian Sipe.

Kids nowadays!!

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**Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/66 "2010-12-19T05:06:53Z")

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> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#):
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> > [@MadTheSwine](#):
> >
> > Rams
> > 
> > No particular order
> > 
> > Norm Van Brocklin  
> > Eric Dickerson  
> > Deacon Jones  
> > Merlin Olsen  
> > Marshall Faulk  
> > Kurt Warner  
> > Elroy Hirsch  
> > Tom Fears  
> > Jackie Slater  
> > Jack Youngblood
> > 
> > Soon hope to add Braford and Jackson to the list
> 
> I think Bob Waterfield and “Night Train” Dick Lane (14 Ints in his rookie year, even if he only played with them for a couple of years) deserve at least an honorable mention here as well.

I might also add Jack Snow, Lawrence McCutcheon, Jack “Hacksaw” Reynolds and Nolan Cromwell to the HM list.

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**Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/67 "2010-12-19T05:39:02Z")

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> [@Jules\_Andre](#):
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> **Philadelphia Eagles**  
> Very long, very storied history. Not really a ton of great choices, though. Not nearly as many as you might think. I’ll absolutely admit I had to do some research for this post because I’m not a football historian. A lot of the older players are on this list due to reputation or accolades more so than anything I know about them.
> 
> **10. Randall Cunningham, QB**  
> My favorite football player of all time. One of the most dynamic athletes I’ve ever seen, I’ll never forget his incredible grace and speed, but also his effortlessly strong arm and his punting ability (yes, punting, he holds the fourth longest punt ever at 91 yards).
> 
> \*\*9. William “Tra” Thomas, LT  
> \*\*A mainstay at the most critical O-Line position for over a decade, he never seemed to get enough credit for his advanced skill blocking for the run and the pass. Still, a three time Pro Bowler and exceptionally durable, he’s the best O-Lineman the Eagles have had in decades.
> 
> **8. Norm Willey, DE**  
> The only “old” player I actually knew about beforehand and without help. He would be ranked a lot higher if they kept relevant stats back in his day. It’s widely accepted that he would hold the single game sack record (with multiple witnesses, players, and coaches confirming) with… **seventeen**. It’s also believed he would easily hold the career sack record and single season sack record had they kept that stat at the time.
> 
> \*\*7. Brian Westbrook, RB  
> \*\*The team’s second all time rusher in yards, third all time in receptions, and one of the most complete backs in modern NFL history. He could do everything exceptionally well and was one of the most dangerous players in open field during his prime. He always seemed to be playing at a higher speed than anyone else.
> 
> \*\*6. Pete Pihos  
> \*\*Yeah, I know nothing about the guy. But what I learned was impressive; 5 time first-team All Pro and one of the better two way players in football history. He was a dynamic receiver (leading the league in receptions for three straight seasons) and an All NFL defensive end.
> 
> And he’s in the Hall of Fame.
> 
> \*\*5. Steve Van Buren, RB  
> \*\*Didn’t know anything about him either. He’s another 5 time First-Team All Pro who led the league in rushing and touchdowns for four seasons apiece. and he was the main piece of the Eagles’ two championships in the late 40’s. He’s also in the Hall of Fame.
> 
> **4. Donovan McNabb, QB**  
> I know. But! He leads the franchise in all the major passing categories and he was the focal point in the resurgence of the franchise in the late 90’s and 2000’s. He’s had a tremendous amount of success and received far, far more criticism than he ever deserved (though he’s deserved a lot too). For a time, he was all this team had for offense, and he was constantly cursed with poor receiver talent. It would be interesting to know what would have happened had he gotten to play with an All Pro receiver for more than one season. As it was, he made the most of the opportunity he had with Terrell Owens and gave a glimpse of what could have been. Fantastic talent, terrific results, just not quite ever great enough.
> 
> \*\*3. Brian Dawkins, S  
> \*\*It’s hard to find exactly the right amount of praise for Dawkins. Is he one of the best at his position ever? I’d say so, especially considering the intangibles. But he always seemed just beyond the limelight and the national praise of fans and media. He was the unquestioned leader of a high-pressure, blitzing, playmaking defense for over a decade. He was everywhere, and always had to be accounted for. He made eight Pro Bowls and was a four time First Team All Pro and made the NFL’s 2000’s All Decade team. I imagine he’s a sure-fire Hall of Famer.
> 
> \*\*2. Reggie White, DE  
> \*\*The Minister of Defense comes in at #2. You all know about him, he needs no other mention. I will point out that he started his NFL career as an Eagle, played the majority of his career as an Eagle, had his best seasons as an Eagle, and deserves to be seen primarily in an Eagles uniform. Hands off, Packers.
> 
> \*\*1. Chuck Bednarik, C/LB  
> \*\*Hall of Famer, signature play that single-handedly saved a Championship victory, and name recognition even after 50-60 years. He played at an All Pro level on both sides of the ball for years, even after players were no longer asked to do so.

You need to get Harold Carmicheal in there.

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**Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/68 "2010-12-19T07:45:01Z")

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> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#):
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> **Stink Fish Pot** : No issue with Mel Blount kicking Swann off the list, but I am surprised that you put Bradshaw up so high. Without the rings he’s not even as good numerically as Earl Morrall, and he got kicked to the bench twice in his career for Terry Hanratty and Joe Gilliam. He came through in the clutch, but for me that doesn’t completely eliminate his shortcomings, which were painfully obvious in his later years when the team was much weaker.

IMO, the Steelers don’t win those last two Super Bowls without Bradshaw. He had a rocket for an arm and he won every SB he played in. And every player’s shortcomings become obvious toward the end of their own career, especially when the team around them wasn’t the same. Franco Harris comes immediately to mind.

Numbers don’t tell the whole story with Bradshaw. They had a dominant defense, and a strong running game, so his need to pass wasn’t there in the beginning of his career. But when the game changed, he was able to adjust and be successful.

I know what you are saying. But Roethlisberger reminds me how hard it is to find a great QB. The Steelers had some great teams between the Super Bowl drought, but didn’t have the QB to get them to the next step. Can you imagine if the Steelers weren’t saddled with Kordell Stewart for close to a decade? I mean, in 10 years, THAT guy was the best they could do?

I’ll stand by my ranking, but I can respect your opinions.

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> [@Stink Fish Pot](#):
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> But Roethlisberger reminds me how hard it is to find a great QB. The Steelers had some great teams between the Super Bowl drought, but didn’t have the QB to get them to the next step.

Um, hello, Neal O’Donnell?

;)😃

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**Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/70 "2010-12-19T12:55:20Z")

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Gong for the Dolphins, first thoughts out of my head. I l’ll probably forget a couple

1. Richmond webb
2. Mark Duper
3. Paul Warfield  
7.Dick Anderson
4. Zach Thomas  
5 Bob Griese
5. Mark Clayton
6. Buoniconti
7. Csonka
8. Marino

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> [@wolfman](#):
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> Gong for the Dolphins, first thoughts out of my head. I l’ll probably forget a couple
> 
> 1. Richmond webb
> 2. Mark Duper
> 3. Paul Warfield  
> 7.Dick Anderson
> 4. Zach Thomas  
> 5 Bob Griese
> 5. Mark Clayton
> 6. Buoniconti
> 7. Csonka
> 8. Marino

Jason Taylor.

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**Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/72 "2010-12-19T14:20:53Z")

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> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> Jason Taylor.

You mean NY JET Jason Taylor? Bah to that(for at least a few more years)

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Mercury Morris and Jim Kiick come to mind for the Dolphins, although your list is pretty solid.

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> [@Jules\_Andre](#):
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> \*\*2. Reggie White, DE  
> \*\*The Minister of Defense comes in at #2. You all know about him, he needs no other mention. I will point out that he started his NFL career as an Eagle, played the majority of his career as an Eagle, had his best seasons as an Eagle, and deserves to be seen primarily in an Eagles uniform. **Hands off, Packers.**

We got him a Championship, the Eagles never did. We get dibs.

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The Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1. Leroy Selmon - The “Gentle Giant” has given so much to the community both on and off the field and he’s our only Hall of Famer.

2. Derrick Brooks - Derrick was the QB of one of the best defenses ever.

3. Warren Sapp - The NFL is still looking for “the next Warren Sapp.” That says it all.

4. Hardy Nickerson - Hardy was a mercenary but his leadership and play was key to our rise from obscurity to a respected ball club. His influence and mentorship of the young Derrick Brooks will always be remembered amongst Bucs fans.

5. John Lynch - We should never have let him go.

6. Ronde Barber - Ronde is a threat in so many ways and his motor hasn’t slowed down in 14 years. He may not be a lockdown corner there’s no doubt that opposing offenses had to account for him every down he played.

7. James Wilder - James was such a talent but unfortunately he was the only talent we had and we used him to death. James was a workhorse like Earl Campbell ( not at that talent level obviously ) who had a short but productive career. James is still the Buccaneers all time rushing and reception leader. How much was he worked? In 1984 he set NFL records for carries (407) and touches (492) in a single season.

8. Simeon Rice - He was crazier than a bed bug but he was also one of the best pash rushers of all time.

9. Doug Williams - He wasn’t good statistically but he was an amazing competitor and team leader. I’m still a fan of Doug.

10. Josh Freeman - Ok, maybe a bit premature but he’s doing something very special right now, leading the youngest team in the NFL to a winning record. His record as a starter is 11-11 and 7 of those 11 wins have been 4th quarter come from behind victories. He’s got a long way to go to be special but he’s already amongst the best QB’s we’ve had and he’s a second year player.

Honorable mention - Steve Young. Obviously the best NFL player to ever play for the Buc’s he wasn’t amongst the best Bucs as I understood the question since his years in Tampa weren’t good. Letting him go was one of my worst memories as a Bucs fan.

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**Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/76 "2010-12-19T19:31:23Z")

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> [@wolfman](#):
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> Gong for the Dolphins, first thoughts out of my head. I l’ll probably forget a couple
> 
> 1. Richmond webb
> 2. Mark Duper
> 3. Paul Warfield  
> 7.Dick Anderson
> 4. Zach Thomas  
> 5 Bob Griese
> 5. Mark Clayton
> 6. Buoniconti
> 7. Csonka
> 8. Marino

The Dolphins had some GREAT squads, so there are BOUND to be great players left off any list.

But I’d like to see some of their brilliant offensive linemen (specifically Jim Langer, Bob Kuechenberg, Larry Little and Dwight Stephenson) on your list.

I know, I know, who do we take off to make room for them???

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**Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/77 "2010-12-21T01:08:28Z")

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Cleveland Browns:

1. Jim Brown FB but really used more like a running HB as well as a short passs receiver
2. Otto Graham QB (maybe should be #1 was three times MVP)
3. Lou Groza (great offensive lineman as well as kicker)
4. Ozzie Newsome WR in the 80s
5. Bernie Kosar QB won back-to-back AFC championships.
6. Leroy Kelly not up there with Brown, but was a perennial Pro-Bowler
7. Gary Collins WR-punter probably not as good as my memory of him, but he was always running long pass patterns on 3rd down and still in there to punt on 4th when the first down wasn’t made.
8. Frank Ryan (like Collins probably not as good as my memory, but he led the Browns to their only championship after Graham retired. And anyone who plays in the NFL and has a PhD in Math has to get some respect.  
9-10. Gee there should be some defensive players, but I don’t seem to recall any  
very possibly deserving, but before my time:  
Marion Motley FB, Dante Lavelli WR

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Just to note that Ozzie Newsome was a TE (not a WR), and Kosar got the Browns to two AFC Championship Games ('86 and '87), but they lost both games to the Broncos.

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> [@OldGuy](#):
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> Cleveland Browns:
> 
> 1. Jim Brown FB but really used more like a running HB as well as a short passs receiver
> 2. Otto Graham QB (maybe should be #1 was three times MVP)
> 3. Lou Groza (great offensive lineman as well as kicker)
> 4. Ozzie Newsome WR in the 80s
> 5. Bernie Kosar QB won back-to-back AFC championships.
> 6. Leroy Kelly not up there with Brown, but was a perennial Pro-Bowler
> 7. Gary Collins WR-punter probably not as good as my memory of him, but he was always running long pass patterns on 3rd down and still in there to punt on 4th when the first down wasn’t made.
> 8. Frank Ryan (like Collins probably not as good as my memory, but he led the Browns to their only championship after Graham retired. And anyone who plays in the NFL and has a PhD in Math has to get some respect.  
> **9-10. Gee there should be some defensive players, but I don’t seem to recall any**  
> very possibly deserving, but before my time:  
> Marion Motley FB, Dante Lavelli WR

I recollect some defensive Browns:

LB Clay Mathews  
LB Chip Banks  
DB Frank Minnifield  
DB Hanford Dixon  
DT Bob Golic

18 Pro Bowls from these five in mid to late 80’s.

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**Post date:** [December 25, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/list-your-top-10-players-of-all-time-from-your-favorite-nfl-team/564322/80 "2010-12-25T17:21:50Z")

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> [@dalej42](#):
>
> Arizona Cardinals:
> 
> Kurt Warner  
> Jake Plummer  
> Ottis Anderson  
> Jim Hart  
> Pat Tilman  
> Larry Fitzgerald  
> Dan Dierdorf  
> Darnell Dockett  
> Roger Wehrli  
> Anquan Boldin.
> 
> I didn’t include any of the old Chicago Cardinals era players since I only know them from reading history about them.

I can’t believe I forgot Conrad Dobler. Let’s put him instead of Boldin.

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