# Living while black in America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611 "2018-07-09T21:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/201 "2018-07-11T22:02:47Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Oh, good, a “racial realist”. > > Let me ask you, why do you think this situation exists? Do you feel that black people have some inherent trait that makes them more likely to break the law than white people? Or do you feel that the situation is the effect of black people being more likely to have grown up in an unfavorable environment that encourages crime than white people? > > If it’s the former and you believe that black people have something like a “crime gene” (along with a poverty gene, a poor education gene, an illegitimacy gene, and an unemployment gene) that white people don’t have, then you’re a racist. > > If it’s the latter and you believe that black people and white people basically start out the same and are products of the environment they grew up in, then explain why we should accept that black people are growing up in a significantly worse environment than white people are? Shouldn’t we be working on improving that environment? A fine post, but I suspect it will fall on deaf ears. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/202 "2018-07-11T22:13:54Z")
I think your suspicion has a very high degree of probability. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/203 "2018-07-11T22:15:24Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Apparently [being a black valedictorian](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-valedictorian-speech-joseph-muni-rochester-high-school-jaisaan-lovett-uprep-charter-school-a8439601.html) is now problematic. I see zero evidence in the article that he wasn’t allowed to give a speech because he was Black. In fact, it is mentioned that he had issues with the principal, that he led a student strike at the school, and that he refused to give in advance the text of his speech. Might or might not be good reasons to prevent him from giving the speech, but there isn’t any hint that it has anything to do with racism. In fact, there isn’t even an accusation of racism in the article. And even though the title of the article is likely to make readers think it’s a racism issue, I realized that it doesn’t even hint at it. Clever. Everybody is going to think “racism” upon reading this title, but the paper can point at the actual wording and say that he never stated or even implied that the principal was motivated by racism. I really dislike this manipulation. It’s extremely dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/204 "2018-07-12T00:11:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What about if they just hop around a little? I’d direct them to the nearest restroom. ---
**Author:** ![wahsahzii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@wahsahzii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wahsahzii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/205 "2018-07-12T00:34:04Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > So it’s racist to point out historical fact? > > You liberals are getting stupider by the day. No it’s not racist by itself, but the implied justification for the behaviour sure is. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/206 "2018-07-12T02:26:49Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Oh we assign race according to last name? > > Which race is Michael Jordan? I don’t know, what race is whataboutism, you racist blood fart? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/207 "2018-07-12T03:28:14Z")
Random white lady demands to see black kid’s sales permit for selling candy. [https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/1016861003257139200](https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/1016861003257139200) Random white guy blocks the gate to a gated community where a black doctor has lived for eight years, until she provides him with proof that she lives there. > ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/208 "2018-07-12T03:30:00Z")
Papa John has resigned from being the company’s chairman after the outcry following his use of the n word in a corporate board phone call. > **[Papa John's founder John Schnatter resigns as chairman after apologizing for...](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/10/papa-johns-founder-john-schnatter-resigns-as-chairman-of-company-boar.html)** > > Papa John's founder John Schnatter has resigned as chairman of his company's board after admitting and apologizing for using the N-word during a May conference call. The pizza maker's shares surge. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/209 "2018-07-12T07:51:30Z")
And now there’s [swimming in your own pool](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/396601-black-man-asked-to-leave-his-own-pool-by-cop-in-viral-video) while black. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/210 "2018-07-12T07:53:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Papa John has resigned from being the company’s chairman after the outcry following his use of the n word in a corporate board phone call. > [https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/10/papa-johns-founder-john-schnatter-resigns-as-chairman-of-company-boar.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/10/papa-johns-founder-john-schnatter-resigns-as-chairman-of-company-boar.html) Yup. None of the local franchises are based in Nigg. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/211 "2018-07-12T08:44:08Z")
Woman who beat the 92 year old hispanic man with a brick, told others to help her beat him, and then told him to “Go back to Mexico” not charged with a hate crime. Uh, while hate crimes laws are very subjective even if the initial crime wasn’t motivated by bigotry, saying a racial slur or any other bias statement in the commission of a crime can lead to a hate crime charge as seen in other cases. I mean the entire reason why that story became national news was because of her statement of “Go back to Mexico”. Why else is it even in this topic since it pretty much is a hate crime? ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/212 "2018-07-12T09:50:32Z")
But on a positive note, at least…um On the bright side, it definitely seems…hmmm Oh poops, this thread sucks. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/213 "2018-07-12T11:01:24Z")
“This young black entrepreneur was selling candy when he was harassed by this woman who demanded to see his business license. An ally stood up for the kid & bought ALL the candy. Let’s find him & give this hero the praise & recognition he deserves.” [https://t.co/kcCfoCtuk7](https://t.co/kcCfoCtuk7) Another feckless old white cunt filled with privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/214 "2018-07-12T12:06:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “This young black entrepreneur was selling candy when he was harassed by this woman who demanded to see his business license. An ally stood up for the kid & bought ALL the candy. Let’s find him & give this hero the praise & recognition he deserves.” > > [https://twitter.com/balleralert/status/748127309987713024/video/1](https://t.co/kcCfoCtuk7) > > Another feckless old white cunt filled with privilege. Are we sure it was someone sticking up for the kid or was it just someone who _really_ likes candy? ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/215 "2018-07-12T12:20:03Z")
\ White folks. [Black man](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/396601-black-man-asked-to-leave-his-own-pool-by-cop-in-viral-video), Shane Holland, asked to leave his own pool by police officer. Un-fucking-believable. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/216 "2018-07-12T12:21:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “This young black entrepreneur was selling candy when he was harassed by this woman who demanded to see his business license. An ally stood up for the kid & bought ALL the candy. Let’s find him & give this hero the praise & recognition he deserves.” > > [https://twitter.com/balleralert/status/748127309987713024/video/1](https://t.co/kcCfoCtuk7) > > Another feckless old white cunt filled with privilege. Wow ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/217 "2018-07-12T13:01:12Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I would prefer they USE THEIR WORDS. > > \*“Hey guys, sorry to bother you, but it looked like y’all were taking something from my neighbor’s house. I just want to make sure everything’s ok.” > > “[Explanation ensues]” > > “Gotcha, cool, and thank you! I figured it wasn’t anything sketch. Good luck with your paper route, kiddo–I promise it’ll get easier!”\* > > I mean, I totally get that calling the cops on randos is _easier_. But jesus. The flip side is, if they’re stealing something, now they know they’ve been noticed, and they can split while you’re calling the cops. If some white kid went up to multiple doorsteps and came back with stuff each time, you bet I’m calling the cops. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/218 "2018-07-12T13:17:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > The flip side is, if they’re stealing something, now they know they’ve been noticed, and they can split while you’re calling the cops. If some white kid went up to multiple doorsteps and came back with stuff each time, you bet I’m calling the cops. That’s why the lady was right when she wanted to see the business license of the kid selling candy. If you see kids, especially black kids, doing stuff in the middle of the day, the most likely scenario is that they are committing some crime. Remain Vigilant! ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/219 "2018-07-12T13:46:57Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > The Cook County Forest Preserve officer is under investigation now, which is nice. > > [Officer Under Investigation, Man Charged After Video Shows Woman Harassed Over Puerto Rico Shirt – NBC Chicago](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/puerto-rico-shirt-irizarry-video-viral-chicago-park-cook-county-487776211.html) > > I didn’t realize that this was in Chicago at first and Caldwell Woods is just a short hop from my house. It distresses me to see this where I live, and I know this area isn’t immune to racism, of course. I have a cop that’s very close to my family who’s racist. It looks like this cop now resigned. All I have see on this though is a post from reporter David Begnaud. > **[Log into Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/108679513654/photos/a.10152159686718655.1073741828.108679513654/10155923142568655/?type=3)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/220 "2018-07-12T16:14:43Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > \ White folks. > [Black man](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/396601-black-man-asked-to-leave-his-own-pool-by-cop-in-viral-video), Shane Holland, asked to leave his own pool by police officer. Un-fucking-believable. That is both infuriating and crazy. The property manager told the cop the guy was a resident, but still made him leave. And apparently has barred him and his family from ever using the pool. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=12)