# Living while black in America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611 "2018-07-09T21:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/443 "2018-08-03T03:11:46Z")
HIV positive man sexually abuses 8 children at[Trump concentration camp](https://www.propublica.org/article/worker-charged-with-sexually-molesting-eight-children-at-immigrant-shelter). White conservatives and will blame the children. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/444 "2018-08-03T03:23:33Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I’d like some clarification on the “blessed be the fruit” bit too, while we’re at it. What is meant by that? “Blessed Be the Fruit” is from the Handmaid’s Tale. I find it a fitting expression. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/445 "2018-08-03T04:07:26Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > As a TRI-racial American with a wife from yet another race, I’m quite personally familiar with racism. I’m not saying that this is NOT racism, I’m just saying that absent any other information, I’m not jumping to immediately blaming racism. And, just in case I wasn’t clear, I wasn’t defending the procedure. There certainly may have been a better way to handle this, but I am unfamiliar with the rules of the court and of sentencing hearings. I’m guessing the judge was quite frustrated, and acted out of frustration. > > As a follow-up, [the judge responds](https://fox8.com/2018/07/31/judge-speaks-out-after-ordering-mans-mouth-taped-shut-during-sentencing/). The judge contends that asking the bailiff to gag a defendant when in contempt of court is legal. > > ETA: To add to **Shodan** ’s, the defendant cut off his ankle bracelet and fled at one point. And, as pointed out in this article, the defendant is known to the court and this judge in particular. Your response tells me one thing: you’re incapable of engaging in a serious discussion about race. The first strike was claiming to understand racism because you’re a tri-racial American and because your partner is person of color. Why would you say this? Let me answer that for you. You say this because you’re trying to provide us evidence both to your commitment to objectivity and evidence of your ostensible lack of racism. I reject your evidence. I reject your evidence because the evidence assumes that racism derives from the individual, when, in reality, it emanates from the very foundation this country was built upon. Racism is systemic, pervasive, and institutional. Did you know the star-shaped badges that the military arm of white people wear are derived from the star badges the slave catchers used to wear? That’s a little black history for you. Let’s move on. The second and third strike was the age-old emphasis of intention over impact; you write, “…the judge was quite frustrated, and acted out of frustration.” This is typical. Very typical of white folks. It doesn’t matter that judges’ behavior was humiliating, degrading, and dehumanizing, it doesn’t matter that having a defendant sit there gagged, bound, and surrounded by armed white folks fits the narrative of a violent, dangerous black man that is conjured so easily; no, what matters is that the judge intended to be objective but was frustrated at the persons of color’s demeanor. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/446 "2018-08-03T05:01:52Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Your response tells me one thing: you’re incapable of engaging in a serious discussion about race. The first strike was claiming to understand racism because you’re a tri-racial American and because your partner is person of color. Why would you say this? Let me answer that for you. You say this because you’re trying to provide us evidence both to your commitment to objectivity and evidence of your ostensible lack of racism. I reject your evidence. I reject your evidence because the evidence assumes that racism derives from the individual, when, in reality, it emanates from the very foundation this country was built upon. Racism is systemic, pervasive, and institutional. Did you know the star-shaped badges that the military arm of white people wear are derived from the star badges the slave catchers used to wear? That’s a little black history for you. Let’s move on. The second and third strike was the age-old emphasis of intention over impact; you write, “…the judge was quite frustrated, and acted out of frustration.” This is typical. Very typical of white folks. It doesn’t matter that judges’ behavior was humiliating, degrading, and dehumanizing, it doesn’t matter that having a defendant sit there gagged, bound, and surrounded by armed white folks fits the narrative of a violent, dangerous black man that is conjured so easily; no, what matters is that the judge intended to be objective but was frustrated at the persons of color’s demeanor. It’s ridiculous to think one group has a monopoly on bigotry. Anyways, how is living while black in America working for you and would another location be more suitable? If I lived in a place that was actively hostile towards me I’d look for a nicer area. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/447 "2018-08-03T05:12:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s ridiculous to think one group has a monopoly on bigotry.\*\* Anyways, how is living while black in America working for you and would another location be more suitable? \*\*If I lived in a place that was actively hostile towards me I’d look for a nicer area. (emphasis mine) I appreciate your concern trolling but I’d think your concern should be focused on the children Trump has imprisoned in his concentration camp. This is the same concentration camp that Trump allowed - through incompetence or malice - a HIV positive man to sexually abuse children. That would be a better use of your concern. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/448 "2018-08-03T05:24:28Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > (emphasis mine) > > I appreciate your concern trolling but I’d think your concern should be focused on the children Trump has imprisoned in his concentration camp. This is the same concentration camp that Trump allowed - through incompetence or malice - a HIV positive man to sexually abuse children. That would be a better use of your concern. I have plenty of concern to spare. You rant a lot and discuss little. Again, why subject yourself to living in hellish conditions? Why not do what millions of immigrants do and move to greener pastures? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/449 "2018-08-03T06:38:55Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Did you know the star-shaped badges that the military arm of white people wear are derived from the star badges the slave catchers used to wear? You got a cite for that? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/450 "2018-08-03T07:05:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I have plenty of concern to spare. You rant a lot and discuss little. Again, why subject yourself to living in hellish conditions? Why not do what millions of immigrants do and move to greener pastures? Like sundown towns?? Well, those are grayer pastures… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/451 "2018-08-03T10:53:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s ridiculous to think one group has a monopoly on bigotry. Anyways, how is living while black in America working for you and would another location be more suitable? If I lived in a place that was actively hostile towards me I’d look for a nicer area. What a giveaway. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/452 "2018-08-03T11:36:27Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > I appreciate your concern trolling but I’d think your concern should be focused on the children Trump has imprisoned in his concentration camp. This is the same concentration camp that Trump allowed - through incompetence or malice - a HIV positive man to sexually abuse children. That would be a better use of your concern. Not that I expect this to penetrate your protective Shell of Stupid, but from your cite - > [@](#): > > All of the incidents are alleged to have taken place between August 2016 and July 2017, according to a court filing last week that laid out the government’s case. Refresh our memories - who was President during the period of August 2016 thru January 2017? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/453 "2018-08-03T12:03:27Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > White conservatives and will blame the children. “White conservatives and”, “what”, or “who” “will blame the children.”? Come on man. If You’re going to troll, to confuse the mods, do it properly. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/454 "2018-08-03T12:10:37Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You got a cite for that? :dubious:[ The white folks covered this at [URL=“[The Origins of Policing in the United States | Snopes.com](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-origins-of-policing-in-the-united-states/)”]Snopes]([https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnLYM5RWYAA8u72.jpg](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnLYM5RWYAA8u72.jpg)). Further, Turner, Giacopassi and Vandiver, in the [Journal of Criminal Justice Education](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10511250500335627), add that “the literature clearly establishes that a legally sanctioned law enforcement system existed in America before the Civil War for the express purpose of controlling the slave population and protecting the interests of slave owners. The similarities between the slave patrols and modern American policing are too salient to dismiss or ignore. Hence, the slave patrol should be considered a forerunner of modern American law enforcement.” This is also intuitive. You don’t need an official-sounding white person to unpack it. Simply look at the slave catcher badge and compare that to the normal police badge. [Picture 1](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnLYM5RWYAA8u72.jpg) [Picture 2](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnAxwOIXgAAPkI4.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/455 "2018-08-03T12:14:49Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > “White conservatives and”, “what”, or “who” “will blame the children.”? > > Come on man. > > If You’re going to troll, to confuse the mods, do it properly. Glad you’re more focused on a fucking a typo than kids being sexually abused at the Trump concentration camp. Blessed Be the Fruit, amirite? Blessed Be the Fruit. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/456 "2018-08-03T12:21:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Not that I expect this to penetrate your protective Shell of Stupid, but from your cite -Refresh our memories - who was President during the period of August 2016 thru January 2017? > > Regards, > Shodan Your attack on my intelligence is (again) noted, Grand Dragon Shodan. But don’t you have more collectible Asian children to adopt, ostracize, and discard? ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/457 "2018-08-03T12:27:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Not that I expect this to penetrate your protective Shell of Stupid, but from your cite -Refresh our memories - who was President during the period of August 2016 thru January 2017? > > Regards, > Shodan Refresh our memories, Grand Dragon Shodan - which administration officials have repeatedly asserted that the Trump concentration camps are safe, even fun, places for kids? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/458 "2018-08-03T12:33:46Z")
Just tangential to this discussion, but perhaps illustrative of a lot of the responses in this thread – Why Progressives are Unable To See Their Own Bigotry: > **[Why White Liberals Are So Unwilling to Recognize Their Own Racism](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/white-liberal-racism-why-progressives-are-unable-to-see-their-own-bigotry.html)** > > “All white people have internalized a racist worldview.” Interview with lecturer and diversity specialist Robin DiAngelo (who is white), about white liberal attitudes about racism. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/459 "2018-08-03T13:02:35Z")
So in one of Huey’s links a woman is taken into custody for shooting and killing her husband while black. It takes a special kind of asshole to believe that skin color got her booked in that one. In another an asshole white kid says patently racist and mysogenist crap, and the community at largeis not ok with it. Proof of… something I guess. In yet another, a white kid is accused of being part of a conspiracy to kill, proof of the conspiracy being that he hung with black kids as evidenced by rap videos, in turn proof that he is in a gang, and therefore conspired in a killing, rather than Occam’s razor that maybe he was driving a car from which the actual shooters alighted without him knowing what they were going to do, as the defense argued and the jury apparently accepted. Huey seems upset he “got away”, rather than with the suspect “proof” of his participation in conspiracy. There is some bad stuff that happened in a “Trump” concentration camp, while Obama was president, when there is plenty of bad stuff happening right now to choose from. I don’t know if Huey is black or not, I doubt it, but I do know what he is. He is a fucking troll. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/460 "2018-08-03T13:03:02Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Refresh our memories, Grand Dragon Shodan - which administration officials have repeatedly asserted that the Trump concentration camps are safe, even fun, places for kids? I see it didn’t penetrate. In this instance, you mean the Obama concentration camp. > [@](#): > > Your attack on my intelligence is (again) noted, Grand Dragon Shodan. And it’s not easy for me, given such a small target. Look, we get it - you were dropped on your head as a child, and your recovery from that was never more than partial. But see if you can understand this. People can react to accusations of racism with anger, with defensiveness, or with amused contempt. I find the last approach to be the most appropriate as well as the most entertaining. I would have thought you were used to interacting with your intellectual and moral superiors by now, since it has happened to you every day since you were discharged from the group home, but apparently not. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/461 "2018-08-03T13:16:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Look, we get it - you were dropped on your head as a child, and your recovery from that was never more than partial. But see if you can understand this. I remember watching Rush Limbaugh, on Letterman, mocking Chelsea Clinton’s teenaged appearance. Letterman said, “And you can say this, because you’re such a fine specimen of manhood.” Shodan, you can say this, because you’re such a shining intellect. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/462 "2018-08-03T13:39:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > People can react to accusations of racism with anger, with defensiveness, or with amused contempt. I find the last approach to be the most appropriate as well as the most entertaining. I would have thought you were used to interacting with your intellectual and moral superiors by now, since it has happened to you every day since you were discharged from the group home, but apparently not. Actually people can also react to accusations of racism with self reflection and contemplation. Some people, who refuse self reflection, may react with anger, as is natural, as most people react with anger and defensiveness when they are criticized about anything at all. Say something about someone’s driving sometime, and they will get just as angry as if you had accused them of racism. It’s not the type of accusation that is bothersome, it is accusation itself that one is not perfect that causes that reaction in those who do not wish to consider that they could improve and be better. However, racists like yourself react by being simply contemptuously amused by people pointing out the obvious, and expecting you to stop being so hateful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=24)