# Living while black in America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611 "2018-07-09T21:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/763 "2018-08-14T22:44:22Z")
Okay, this took 30 seconds again: > [@](#): > > **You recently released a multifaceted campaign to end police violence in America, called Campaign Zero. What are you doing with that platform and its 10 “buckets” of issues?** > > "One of the core messages of Campaign Zero is that change will have to happen across all 10 of the buckets for it to actually change outcomes, for there to be a positive benefit in people’s lives. Body cameras without independent investigation, or without fair police union contracts, means little. > > “The second message is painting a clear picture for people about the discrete areas that we need to press on to get to change. The two most recent projects we launched were the police union contract project and the police use of force project, both things that I think are important. I talked to President Obama about both of them.” ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/764 "2018-08-14T22:51:48Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That was a sick burn It’s the element of truth that makes it effective. > [@](#): > > and wouldn’t let me skip grades even when teachers urged it. Probably the right decision by your parents. I’m not sure what your teachers were thinking. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/765 "2018-08-14T22:56:02Z")
It’s lazy to read the whole thing twice and give my honest reading? After all the disingenuous bullshit you’ve served up to me? Pish and tosh. You’re technically right, though: in a sense that wasn’t predominantly about blacks’ loss of life at white hands, because most of it was nebulous and anodyne and not about anything in particular. But the only _specific_ agenda I gleaned was about police shootings. If I missed something, quote it! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/766 "2018-08-14T22:57:51Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > It’s lazy to read the whole thing twice and give my honest reading? After all the disingenuous bullshit you’ve served up to me? Pish and tosh. > > You’re technically right, though: in a sense that wasn’t predominantly about blacks’ loss of life at white hands, because most of it was nebulous and anodyne and not about anything in particular. But the only _specific_ agenda I gleaned was about police shootings. If I missed something, quote it! I just fucking quoted it. Jesus. This is getting awfully old. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/767 "2018-08-14T22:58:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Okay, this took 30 seconds again: What part of that could unambiguously not possibly be about police shootings? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/768 "2018-08-14T22:59:44Z")
I can’t help myself: > **[Campaign Zero](https://campaignzero.org/)** > **[Campaign Zero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Zero)** > > Campaign Zero is an American police reform campaign launched on August 21, 2015. The plan consists of ten proposals, all of which are aimed at reducing police violence. The campaign's planning team includes Brittany Packnett, Samuel Sinyangwe, DeRay Mckesson, and Johnetta Elzie. The activists who produced the proposals did so in response to critics who asked them to make specific policy proposals. Subsequent critics of Campaign Zero and of their 8 Can't Wait project point out th Since its incepti... > [@](#): > > Campaign Zero is a police reform campaign proposed by activists associated with Black Lives Matter, on a website that was launched on August 21, 2015. The plan consists of ten proposals, all of which are aimed at reducing police violence. > > \ > > Since its inception, Campaign Zero has collected and proposed policy solutions for police reform in ten areas. These 10 major policy solutions are ending broken windows policing, encouraging community oversight, limiting the use of force, independent investigation and prosecution, community representation, filming the police, training, ending for profit policing, demilitarization, and fair police union contracts. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/769 "2018-08-14T23:44:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I can’t help myself: > > [https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision](https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision) > > [Campaign Zero - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Zero) Congratulations on your second Wiki cite. Now maybe an interview or protest where the emphasis was on something other than police shootings? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/770 "2018-08-15T00:37:14Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Congratulations on your second Wiki cite. Now maybe an interview or protest where the emphasis was on something other than police shootings? No thanks. I’m not interested in your continuing goalpost shifting. Just face it – you were very wrong about BLM. Very obviously wrong. You should have known better and now you’re trying to make excuses for your ignorance. It’s okay. I’ve made mistakes before too. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/771 "2018-08-15T00:55:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No thanks. I’m not interested in your continuing goalpost shifting. Just face it – you were very wrong about BLM. Very obviously wrong. You should have known better and now you’re trying to make excuses for your ignorance. > > It’s okay. I’ve made mistakes before too. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/772 "2018-08-15T01:23:18Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Imagine a young 1960s white family in Detroit. Then riots happen in 1966, [1967](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot), and [1968](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Detroit_riot). A little digging shows that race riots aren’t really a problem over in the suburb of Plymouth, so they relocate there. They don’t want to weaken black people legally or socially, they just want a safe place to raise their kids, and they should not be regarded as oppressive overlords for that. Did the riots just “happen”? Did Black Americans living in Detroit just wake up and decide it was going to be Afro American Halloween and scare whites? Or were they angry at something else? While you’re speaking of race riots, let’s not forget the other race riots: East St Louis 1917 Chicago 1919 Tulsa 1921 Watts 1965\* \*Interesting how it almost presaged the riots of 1992. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/773 "2018-08-15T13:56:30Z")
Uggh. I really have to stop engaging with **Shodan** about race. I came across this thread: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=830768&page=3](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=830768&page=3) in which **Shodan** insists that certain black people [should be considered as n-words](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20337966&postcount=58), and justifies this belief by citing a Chris Rock comedy bit. Blech. I get it, this is how you feel, and we don’t have to discuss this any longer. I hope you don’t pass this awful stuff on to your children. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/774 "2018-08-15T14:09:59Z")
I really feel stupid. Uggh. Sorry for stringing that out so long for the readers of this thread. I had been a participant in that thread and somehow didn’t remember it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/775 "2018-08-15T14:15:50Z")
Hey, don’t feel bad. Racist fuckwads don’t feel bad, why should you? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/776 "2018-08-15T17:58:07Z")
Andy, I agree with you about what Shodan said in that thread. I’m surprised, though, that you used the n-word multiple times. (If I have ever written/typed it, or said it out loud, I don’t remember it.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/777 "2018-08-15T18:08:13Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Andy, I agree with you about what Shodan said in that thread. I’m surprised, though, that you used the n-word multiple times. (If I have ever written/typed it, or said it out loud, I don’t remember it.) I didn’t use it – using it would be calling someone by the slur, or otherwise using it to demean/denigrate black people. I referenced it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/778 "2018-08-15T18:28:13Z")
Actually, a better word than “reference” – I didn’t use the slur, I [mentioned it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction). ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/779 "2018-08-15T18:38:32Z")
Black woman told she was not hired because her name is “too ghetto”. > **[Company denied black woman job because her name was ‘ghetto,’ email says](https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401973-company-denied-black-woman-job-because-her-name-was-ghetto/)** > > A black woman claims she received an email from a company in Missouri on Monday denying her of a job she applied for because her name was “ghetto.”Hermeisha Robinson said in a post, which has since… ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/780 "2018-08-15T18:40:54Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Black woman told she was not hired because her name is “too ghetto”. > [http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401973-company-denied-black-woman-job-because-her-name-was-ghetto](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401973-company-denied-black-woman-job-because-her-name-was-ghetto) That’s finally a story where I can believe the company was hacked. There is no way a company sends out an email like that on purpose. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/781 "2018-08-15T19:12:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Actually, a better word than “reference” – I didn’t use the slur, I [mentioned it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction). No: you used neither italics nor quotation marks, which surprised me. I wouldn’t even mention that word, personally. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/782 "2018-08-15T19:18:53Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > No: you used neither italics nor quotation marks, which surprised me. I wouldn’t even mention that word, personally. I’m not really concerned about the opinion of someone who supports and defends white supremacist pseudo science on how to discuss the definitions of racial slurs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=40)