# Living while black in America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611 "2018-07-09T21:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/803 "2018-08-24T15:33:11Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > But in every society, its easiest to a member of the racial majority. As an Apartheid-raised non-White South African, let me just say you, newbie cunt, are talking a load of _kak_. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/804 "2018-08-24T15:42:33Z")
Epic fail. ---
**Author:** ![Epic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e274bd/32.png) [@Epic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/805 "2018-08-24T15:44:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > As an Apartheid-raised non-White South African, let me just say you, newbie cunt, are talking a load of _kak_. apartheid South Africa != America, never was nor will be. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/806 "2018-08-24T15:44:53Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > apartheid South Africa != America, never was nor will be. Ahh, trained in geography, are you. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/807 "2018-08-24T15:50:22Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > But in every society, its easiest to a member of the racial majority. […] > > Can you refute that in all societies in the world, human nature has dictated that being a member of the majority is socially easier than not? […] > > apartheid South Africa != America, never was nor will be. Well, so much for “all societies in the world” generalizations, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Epic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e274bd/32.png) [@Epic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/808 "2018-08-24T16:01:44Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, so much for “all societies in the world” generalizations, I guess. I think you know that I meant to except both in SA during apartheid and economically today, tho socially in SA yes being black is way easier. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/809 "2018-08-24T16:15:40Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > I think you know that I meant to except both in SA during apartheid and economically today, tho socially in SA yes being black is way easier. LOL, how would we know to except SA in the following? > [@Epic](#): > > Can you refute that in all societies in the world, human nature has dictated that being a member of the majority is socially easier than not? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/810 "2018-08-24T16:16:49Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > apartheid South Africa != America, never was nor will be. So “in every society” was just so much shit, then? Fuck off back to your trollhole, you \*obvious \*motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/811 "2018-08-24T16:17:10Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > Can you refute that in all societies in the world, human nature has dictated that being a member of the majority is socially easier than not? I would, but someone beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/812 "2018-08-24T16:18:17Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > socially in SA yes being black is way easier. Like fuck, it is. Gods in Hali, you’re a tedious ignorant waste of jism, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/813 "2018-08-24T16:36:31Z")
Heh. Trolling Troll is absolutely . . . **Epic**! ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/814 "2018-08-24T16:54:34Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > Can you refute that in all societies in the world, human nature has dictated that being a member of the majority is socially easier than not? In addition to the already-mentioned South African situation, there’s also the counter-examples of non-Russian republics of the USSR, India under the British Raj, or the Balkans under Ottoman rule to readily choose from. One more - the slave plantations of the antebellum American South. What was your point again? ---
**Author:** ![Epic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e274bd/32.png) [@Epic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/815 "2018-08-24T17:16:21Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > In addition to the already-mentioned South African situation, there’s also the counter-examples of non-Russian republics of the USSR, India under the British Raj, or the Balkans under Ottoman rule to readily choose from. One more - the slave plantations of the antebellum American South. > > What was your point again? Those were imposed from outside. I also meant non colonial democracies America is not either. Get over it; there will never be pure social equality and equality of outcome. Oh well ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/816 "2018-08-24T17:18:26Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > Those were imposed from outside. > > I also meant non colonial democracies > > America is not either. Get over it; there will never be pure social equality and equality of outcome. Oh well You’re not really here for the hunting, now, are you? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/817 "2018-08-24T17:21:03Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > there will never be pure social equality and equality of outcome. Oh well No one wants “pure social equality and equality of outcome.” But not being harassed for walking down the street or going to your car or going to the coffee shop or going to the pool just because of the color of your skin would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/818 "2018-08-24T17:51:27Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > America is not either. Get over it; there will never be pure social equality and equality of outcome. Oh well You want it all, but you can’t have it. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/819 "2018-08-24T18:20:27Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > No one wants “pure social equality and equality of outcome.” But not being harassed for walking down the street or going to your car or going to the coffee shop or going to the pool just because of the color of your skin would be nice. There’s a hell of a lot more to it than that. Harassment is horrible but it’s not the worst of it in the long run. If you can’t get a decent education in a public school, if you can’t get hired or a raise or a promotion because of the color of your skin, for a couple of examples, all the other bad things go on for a lot longer. Consider if this isn’t true: the world we live in equally distributes talent, but it doesn’t equally distribute opportunity. That’s what needs to be evened out more than anything else. Something else for our new **Epic** friend: human beings do tend to be tribal, to have us and them orientations, but they don’t have to. Human beings are capable of better things. We can aspire to better things, or we can just write off the whole thing as a loss - a loss for whatever “them” applies to you. It’s clear which choice you have made. But it’s not too late for you, you can let go of your fear and hatred, and you too can be a better person. As my father used to say, don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/820 "2018-08-24T19:07:47Z")
> [@Epic](#): > > I also meant non colonial democracies > > America is not either. America wasn’t a colony? You should tell the Founding Fathers… ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/821 "2018-08-24T19:18:50Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You want it all, but you can’t have it. Faith No More reference? 😕 > [@slumtrimpet](#): > > It took me a couple of readings to get your point. > Yeah, safer for that dude to take an Uber for a short ride than to walk through a mostly white residential neighborhood at night and take the chance that some asshole will call the cops on him. > ☹ indeed. Yes, exactly. Sorry if it wasn’t clear originally. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/822 "2018-08-24T19:52:24Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Faith No More reference? 😕 Roll up, roll up, come see the much-ballyhooed Slack IQ, hard at work, Ladeeezungennulmen!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=42)