# Living while black in America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611 "2018-07-09T21:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1023 "2018-09-18T03:53:52Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And I assume you will be forthcoming with a cite for your suspicisions? The link between inbreeding and autism? Oh man, it’s like shooting fish in the barrel. Should we start with the evolutionary view or should we dive right into the inbred mouse strains? In 2014, the government published a[study](https://rtc.umn.edu/autism/doc/Autism_report.pdf) examining the prevalence of autism in Minnesota. The study found that the rates of autism in blacks (1 in 62) and hispanics (1 in 80) was lower than whites (1 in 36) and Somalians (1 in 32). Before you reject or tear down this work by these hardworking white folks, please note that this work was peer-reviewed [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27106569). Kuchiyose No Jutsu. Give it to ['em](https://academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/5670C9357949), Alex Prayson. > [@Alex Prayson](#): > > Roughly half of the people who live in Arab countries are inbred. A large percentage of the parents who are blood related come from families where intermarriage has a tradition for generations (Cook, 2013). In ancient generations, “Pharaohs often married their own sister or half-sister and after a handful of generations the offsprings were mentally and physically unfit to rule” (Sennels, 2010).Two researchers, Walsh and Morrow, recently studied 104 families (Walsh, 2010) from the Arab Middle East, Turkey, and Pakistan. They found that of the 104 parents, “in 88, the parents were cousins. The average family had two autistic children. One Kuwaiti and one Pakistani family, however, each had four.” “Marriage between first cousins doubles the risk of neurological birth defects. Researchers now think that shared ancestry can increase the risk of autism produced by recessive mutations that cause problems only when a child inherits the same defective gene from both parents” (Sennels, 2010). In this analysis of 104 families, approximately 97% had heredity problems. Thanks, Alex. You slayed, though your writing style sucks. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **Huey** you have now removed all doubt that you’re a troll. > > **SlackerInc** I owe you an apology. We’re definitely not aligned, you and I, but you were right about **Huey** and autism. If you are close to or a parent of an autistic child, then your pain and indignation at my post is justified. I admit that if you are a parent of an autistic child, my post is needlessly hurtful and I empathize with you. In fact, you have my permission to call me worse than a troll. While I have empathy and wish your children and loved ones success, I don’t feel sympathy for you because your pain and indignation is nothing but a drop in the bucket compared to people of color. I can’t feel sorry for white folks’ pain no more. I just can’t. That well has run dry. > [@octopus](#): > > Huey your premise is that inbred white folks have cognitive deficiencies due to genetics. Well that’s interesting and would get most folks labeled an evil racist with at least 48382 profane adjectives and maybe even an adverb mixed in. Can’t wait for Dibble to spin this. My premise isn’t that white folks have a [cognitive deficiency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_deficit), my premise is that white folks, on average, have a paucity of cognitive empathy. If you’re doing a double take, it’s OK, don’t worry it. Speaking of Dibble, you (and others) don’t deserve his input. He isn’t his brother’s keeper, why should he respond to my posts? When the offspring of white folks smeared ejaculate on oreos (yes this happened), snorted a condom into their nasal cavity (yes, this happened), or believed in “Q” as the new Illuminati (yes this is happening now), did Dibble say to himself “I can’t wait for octopus to spin this”? Probably not. When there is your weekly “Blacks are dumb” threads I doubt Dibble says to himself “I can’t wait for octopus to spin this”. No person of color owes you an explanation for shit. Frankly, my hope is that he pointedly ignores you for the next 6 months for speaking his name without brushing your teeth. > [@j666](#): > > Huey, most white people **aren’t** just attracted to other white people. That’s just not true. > > And in my experience, “white” encompasses such a broad range of ethnicities that I don’t think genetic diversity is really an issue, but you and I might have different definitions of white. I am pretty darned convinced that most white men wouldn’t touch a black woman with a ten foot pole. I think, for example, most white men have no idea what, let’s say, Alex Ohanian sees in Serena Williams. They probably be like “Why are you with this tall, big-breasted, wide-hipped, in-shape Negro woman when you can get a skinny, blond, blue eyed, fair skin woman from Minnesota?” Before I met my wife, the love of my life, I dabbled with interracial dating and it was my experience that white women are curious and will experiment but are susceptible to shame for interracial dating. I remember this white woman I dated in college flat-out told me - after we just had sex - that we couldn’t be serious because her parents would not approve. Nice woman, though. I even took the time to look her up on facebook and, sure enough, she has a white partner now. She looks happy. I admit this view is from my own personal experiences so I could be convinced otherwise but it’s a pretty high bar. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1024 "2018-09-18T04:11:38Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > If you are close to or a parent of an autistic child, then your pain and indignation at my post is justified. I admit that if you are a parent of an autistic child, my post is needlessly hurtful and I empathize with you. In fact, you have my permission to call me worse than a troll. While I have empathy and wish your children and loved ones success, I don’t feel sympathy for you because your pain and indignation is nothing but a drop in the bucket compared to people of color. I can’t feel sorry for white folks’ pain no more. I just can’t. That well has run dry. My children _ **are** _ people of color you complete and utter waste of space. Fuck off. ETA: Fuck off even if they weren’t. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1025 "2018-09-18T04:35:33Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > There are all kinds of stupid in that troll. It’s a multi-dimensional black hole of wrong. ![](https://media1.tenor.com/images/f03654e9980d9e10089e8fd512955b80/tenor.gif?itemid=5587678) ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1026 "2018-09-18T04:43:58Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > There are all kinds of stupid in that troll. It’s a multi-dimensional black hole of wrong. He characterizes “white people” using the worst and most stereotypical elements of far-right racism/bigotry. He has no desire for conversation/debate, nor even to change minds. He desires to incite and inflame. I’m sure his irony is intentional too. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1027 "2018-09-18T05:36:30Z")
I’m white, but I’m not blond haired, or blue-eyed, so where does that leave me? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1028 "2018-09-18T05:45:17Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > The link between inbreeding and autism? Oh man, it’s like shooting fish in the barrel. Should we start with the evolutionary view or should we dive right into the inbred mouse strains? In 2014, the government published a[study](https://rtc.umn.edu/autism/doc/Autism_report.pdf) examining the prevalence of autism in Minnesota. The study found that the rates of autism in blacks (1 in 62) and hispanics (1 in 80) was lower than whites (1 in 36) and Somalians (1 in 32). Before you reject or tear down this work by these hardworking white folks, please note that this work was peer-reviewed [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27106569). > > Kuchiyose No Jutsu. > > Give it to ['em](https://academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/5670C9357949), Alex Prayson. > Thanks, Alex. You slayed, though your writing style sucks. > > If you are close to or a parent of an autistic child, then your pain and indignation at my post is justified. I admit that if you are a parent of an autistic child, my post is needlessly hurtful and I empathize with you. In fact, you have my permission to call me worse than a troll. While I have empathy and wish your children and loved ones success, I don’t feel sympathy for you because your pain and indignation is nothing but a drop in the bucket compared to people of color. I can’t feel sorry for white folks’ pain no more. I just can’t. That well has run dry. > > My premise isn’t that white folks have a [cognitive deficiency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_deficit), my premise is that white folks, on average, have a paucity of cognitive empathy. If you’re doing a double take, it’s OK, don’t worry it. Speaking of Dibble, you (and others) don’t deserve his input. He isn’t his brother’s keeper, why should he respond to my posts? When the offspring of white folks smeared ejaculate on oreos (yes this happened), snorted a condom into their nasal cavity (yes, this happened), or believed in “Q” as the new Illuminati (yes this is happening now), did Dibble say to himself “I can’t wait for octopus to spin this”? Probably not. When there is your weekly “Blacks are dumb” threads I doubt Dibble says to himself “I can’t wait for octopus to spin this”. No person of color owes you an explanation for shit. Frankly, my hope is that he pointedly ignores you for the next 6 months for speaking his name without brushing your teeth. > > I am pretty darned convinced that most white men wouldn’t touch a black woman with a ten foot pole. I think, for example, most white men have no idea what, let’s say, Alex Ohanian sees in Serena Williams. They probably be like “Why are you with this tall, big-breasted, wide-hipped, in-shape Negro woman when you can get a skinny, blond, blue eyed, fair skin woman from Minnesota?” Before I met my wife, the love of my life, I dabbled with interracial dating and it was my experience that white women are curious and will experiment but are susceptible to shame for interracial dating. I remember this white woman I dated in college flat-out told me - after we just had sex - that we couldn’t be serious because her parents would not approve. Nice woman, though. I even took the time to look her up on facebook and, sure enough, she has a white partner now. She looks happy. I admit this view is from my own personal experiences so I could be convinced otherwise but it’s a pretty high bar. It isn’t that difficult to understand, white people are better off economically and have more access to healthcare, and diagnoses and treatments for autism can be an expensive process. > [@](#): > > White children are diagnosed with autism more often than black or Hispanic children, but the gap has closed dramatically. Autism used to be 20 percent higher in white kids than black children, and that difference shrank to 10 percent. The gap between white and Hispanic kids shrank from 50 percent to 20 percent. > > That increased recognition in minority kids is likely a big reason for the overall increase, CDC researchers said. So are the rates of minorities with diagnosed autism going up because they are increasing the amount of inbreeding in their populations I mean that is your big argument right? or could it just be that you are a dumbass, what are you gonna say in ten years when the gap shrinks even more? > [@](#): > > A greater number of black children (48%) were classified within the range of intellectual disability vs. 38% of Hispanic and 25% of non-Hispanic white children. I would take that to mean the severity to also be greater with higher levels or intellectual disability of those black children that are diagnosed. Autism is becoming more common, and better diagnosis of minorities may be why: [http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-autism-diagnosis-minorities-20180427-story.html](http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-autism-diagnosis-minorities-20180427-story.html) Study shows minorities widely underrepresented in autism diagnoses:[https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-05-minorities-widely-underrepresented-autism.html](https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-05-minorities-widely-underrepresented-autism.html) > [@](#): > > “Almost every state in the nation underidentified African-Americans. We’re not sure why that happened, but it did,” Travers said. “Another notable finding about Kansas is Hispanic students continued to be underidentified.” Gasp! Minorities are also underdiagnosed with ADHD even though they have comparable rates: [https://www.additudemag.com/race-and-adhd-how-people-of-color-get-left-behind/](https://www.additudemag.com/race-and-adhd-how-people-of-color-get-left-behind/) Oh and all those inbred Americans, > [@](#): > > An estimated 0.2 percent of marriages in the United States are between individuals who are second cousins or closer — that means there are about 250,000 people in America in those relationships. Wow that sure doesn’t sound like a whole lot in a country of over 326 Million, I think we have a couple years at least till us white people inbreed into oblivion. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1029 "2018-09-18T05:54:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Can’t wait for Dibble to spin this. Well, look at which chickenshit coward is back like a 2-bit whore’s herpes - I’ll “spin this” after _you_ sit and spin on a dried detached donkey dick, and _then_ respond to my last post to you, you gutless motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1030 "2018-09-18T05:56:31Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’m white, but I’m not blond haired, or blue-eyed, so where does that leave me? A WINO. Of course. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1031 "2018-09-18T06:00:01Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Well, look at which chickenshit coward is back like a 2-bit whore’s herpes - I’ll “spin this” after _you_ sit and spin on a dried detached donkey dick, and _then_ respond to my last post to you, you gutless motherfucker. I’m acquiring a taste for your posts. 🙂 I can only hope to one day verbally disparage so eloquently. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1032 "2018-09-18T06:03:50Z")
I like how Huey gave a general Wikipedia cite for the meaning of “cognitive deficit” lol. Well I’m convinced! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1033 "2018-09-18T07:00:42Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > I am pretty darned convinced that most white men wouldn’t touch a black woman with a ten foot pole…I admit this view is from my own personal experiences so I could be convinced otherwise but it’s a pretty high bar. Do you have extensive experience of being a white man? As for the rest of your thesis, while it’s a rather laudable piece of trolling and shit stirring, I think you should have based it on a more defensible premise, particularly when the bulk of evidence suggests the difference in autism rates is marginal, and most likely down to a failure in diagnosis due to social factors: > **[Autism and the African American community - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21707353/)** > > It is estimated that autism spectrum disorders (ASD) affect 1 in 500 live births per year. However, due to varying techniques for diagnosis and treatment, the disability remains the subject of debate. African Americans tend to suffer disproportionate... > [@](#): > > African Americans tend to suffer disproportionate rates of disability and disease when compared to other racial and ethnic groups due to access to preventative and curative care. However, evidence demonstrates that although rates of diagnosis for autism occur at the same rates in all racial groups, diagnosis in African American children occurs later than in White children > **[Black And Latino Children Are Often Overlooked When It Comes To Autism](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/03/19/587249339/black-and-latino-children-are-often-overlooked-when-it-comes-to-autism)** > > Research suggests that African-American and Latino children with autism are diagnosed later in life because of healthcare provider bias and families' lack of access to care, among other reasons. > [@](#): > > ASD affects people of all races and ethnicities, but research shows that African-American and Latino children with autism are diagnosed at older ages than white children, giving them less of an opportunity for proper intervention and treatment… > > …A recent study from Georgia State University found that African-American parents reported fewer concerns about behaviors like delayed speech and repetitive behaviors, even though their children showed a greater severity with these symptoms, overall. > **[What's Behind the Recent Rise in Autism in the US?](https://www.livescience.com/62415-autism-rate-rises.html)** > > The percentage of kids with autism in the United States continues to rise, according to a new report. > [@](#): > > what’s behind the increase? Perhaps, rather than more kids having autism, just more of them are being diagnosed with it. Communities are doing a better job of diagnosing autism among minority populations, said Alison Singer, president and co-founder of the Autism Science Foundation, who was not involved in the new report. > > Historically, autism prevalence has been much higher among white children compared with black and Hispanic children, according to the CDC. But in the most recent report, minority populations had similar percentages of kids with autism as found in white children, Singer said. (For example, in earlier years, autism rates were about 30 percent higher in white children than in black children; but in the latest report, the autism rate was only 7 percent higher among white children than in black children, the CDC said.) > > This is a positive step, but the new report also revealed room for improvement in autism diagnoses, Singer said. For example, in 85 percent of the autism cases, there were notations in the children’s health or educational records expressing concern about their development by the time they were 3 years old, but only 42 percent of the children received a developmental evaluation to diagnose autism by that age. May I suggest for the next round you stick to something more solid, such as colonial atrocities. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1034 "2018-09-18T07:40:31Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > A WINO. Of course. Dammit, **Ambivalid** ; you posted that while I was trying to think of a good backronymn for _HONKY_. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1035 "2018-09-18T08:02:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Dammit, **Ambivalid** ; you posted that while I was trying to think of a good backronymn for _HONKY_. Well I’m also a WINO, so my contributions are illegitimate regardless of their substance. Go ahead with your idea! It’s the real whites that count anyway! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1036 "2018-09-18T10:06:24Z")
I’ll reserve judgement on the autism and inbreeding issue, though I’ll note that one of the main cites was about “Arabs” (I didn’t think Pakistan was Arab, so maybe this was more about the Muslim world?). But as for the anecdotal “evidence” offered for white people lacking empathy? White hegemons have engaged in atrocious crimes against humanity—as have nonwhite hegemons over the millennia. But if there are nonwhite hegemons who have gone as far as whites in seeking social justice and progressive reform, I can’t think of any—and if Huey or anyone wants to argue otherwise, I’m gonna need a cite. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1037 "2018-09-18T11:04:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But if there are nonwhite hegemons who have gone as far as whites in seeking social justice and progressive reform, I can’t think of any—and if Huey or anyone wants to argue otherwise, I’m gonna need a cite. :dubious: Well but this is just the flipside of the racial-power coin. The “white culture” has been the dominant one in the U.S. since it’s inception and as the dominant culture, it’s had the power to act on racist beliefs and to inflict racial injustices. Just as the majority culture has the power to work towards segregation and marginalization, it has the power to attack and dismantle those inequities. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1038 "2018-09-18T11:33:23Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’m white, but I’m not blond haired, or blue-eyed, so where does that leave me? For your sake, I hope New York, and not Minnesota. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Collective punishment, or punishing children for the crimes of their forebears, are evil. Period. And they are guaranteed to spark neverending Hatfield-McCoy tit-for-tat. Worse than punishing children for the ‘crime’ of having forebears of color? But that is immaterial. There is no collective punishment being dealt here. Being disliked is not a punishment. Withholding access to education and home ownership is a punishment. Someone is venting anger and resentment on the internet - gasp! - and everyone gets their knickers in a twist over it, instead of just tut-tutting and moving on as usual. Just _ **stop whining** _, please. Young men of color are being imprisoned and killed, and you’re going on about how unfair a messageboard post is to white people. > [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > I am pretty darned convinced that most white men wouldn’t touch a black woman with a ten foot pole. I think, for example, most white men have no idea what, let’s say, Alex Ohanian sees in Serena Williams. They probably be like “Why are you with this tall, big-breasted, wide-hipped, in-shape Negro woman when you can get a skinny, blond, blue eyed, fair skin woman from Minnesota?” No, you’re wrong. If men don’t find Williams attractive, it’s because she could crush them like a bug, and buy and sell them to boot. Men hate that. It doesn’t help that [few imagines](http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/omnisport/ce/fd/serenawilliams-cropped_zxobvj21hhwd1lezepgchjmmm.jpg?t=-1216771149) of her are the [airbrushed shots](http://fashionbombdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2-serena-williams-harpers-bazaar-uk-july-2018.jpg) of her perfectly coiffed and frozen in place that we have come to expect of women. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1039 "2018-09-18T11:36:00Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But if there are nonwhite hegemons who have gone as far as whites in seeking social justice and progressive reform, I can’t think of any Which “nonwhite hegemons” have existed at all, in the modern age, in your view? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1040 "2018-09-18T12:16:40Z")
> [@j666](#): > > For your sake, I hope New York, and not Minnesota. > > Worse than punishing children for the ‘crime’ of having forebears of color? > > But that is immaterial. There is no collective punishment being dealt here. Being disliked is not a punishment. Withholding access to education and home ownership is a punishment. > > Someone is venting anger and resentment on the internet - gasp! - and everyone gets their knickers in a twist over it, instead of just tut-tutting and moving on as usual. > > Just _ **stop whining** _, please. Young men of color are being imprisoned and killed, and you’re going on about how unfair a messageboard post is to white people. > > No, you’re wrong. If men don’t find Williams attractive, it’s because she could crush them like a bug, and buy and sell them to boot. Men hate that. > > It doesn’t help that [few imagines](http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/omnisport/ce/fd/serenawilliams-cropped_zxobvj21hhwd1lezepgchjmmm.jpg?t=-1216771149) of her are the [airbrushed shots](http://fashionbombdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2-serena-williams-harpers-bazaar-uk-july-2018.jpg) of her perfectly coiffed and frozen in place that we have come to expect of women. F.First of all, just because Huey is angry and resentful about the history of racism that has followed most of white culture (and still hangs over large parts of it) does not mean we should just sit back and allow him to assert absurdly hateful claims onto an entire population. “Venting” doesn’t mean a free pass on any sort of venomous slander that falls out of the mouth of the venter like verbal diarrhea. If _I_ were to impugn every-last-able-bodied-person for the rude and belittling treatment of disabled people-especially if I did so in a nasty way that was ironically of the same nature as the stuff I was decrying-I would be rightfully taken to task by just about every single board member here. Why should Huey be treated any differently? ETA: And as far as _this_ man goes (you see, i only speak for myself) Serena is about as far from sexually attractive as it gets. And this has nothing to do with her race and everything to do with her bulky, masculinized appearance. Venus is much more attractive. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1041 "2018-09-18T12:27:41Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Well, look at which chickenshit coward is back like a 2-bit whore’s herpes - I’ll “spin this” after _you_ sit and spin on a dried detached donkey dick, and _then_ respond to my last post to you, you gutless motherfucker. Why respond to your posts when you are incapable of honesty? You do get s point for alliteration but you lose a point for being a herpes and whore expert. Ew. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1042 "2018-09-18T12:39:18Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > The link between inbreeding and autism? Oh man, it’s like shooting fish in the barrel. Should we start with the evolutionary view or should we dive right into the inbred mouse strains? In 2014, the government published a[study](https://rtc.umn.edu/autism/doc/Autism_report.pdf) examining the prevalence of autism in Minnesota. The study found that the rates of autism in blacks (1 in 62) and hispanics (1 in 80) was lower than whites (1 in 36) and Somalians (1 in 32). Before you reject or tear down this work by these hardworking white folks, please note that this work was peer-reviewed [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27106569). > > Kuchiyose No Jutsu. > > Give it to ['em](https://academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/5670C9357949), Alex Prayson. > Thanks, Alex. You slayed, though your writing style sucks. > > If you are close to or a parent of an autistic child, then your pain and indignation at my post is justified. I admit that if you are a parent of an autistic child, my post is needlessly hurtful and I empathize with you. In fact, you have my permission to call me worse than a troll. While I have empathy and wish your children and loved ones success, I don’t feel sympathy for you because your pain and indignation is nothing but a drop in the bucket compared to people of color. I can’t feel sorry for white folks’ pain no more. I just can’t. That well has run dry. > > My premise isn’t that white folks have a [cognitive deficiency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_deficit), my premise is that white folks, on average, have a paucity of cognitive empathy. If you’re doing a double take, it’s OK, don’t worry it. Speaking of Dibble, you (and others) don’t deserve his input. He isn’t his brother’s keeper, why should he respond to my posts? When the offspring of white folks smeared ejaculate on oreos (yes this happened), snorted a condom into their nasal cavity (yes, this happened), or believed in “Q” as the new Illuminati (yes this is happening now), did Dibble say to himself “I can’t wait for octopus to spin this”? Probably not. When there is your weekly “Blacks are dumb” threads I doubt Dibble says to himself “I can’t wait for octopus to spin this”. No person of color owes you an explanation for shit. Frankly, my hope is that he pointedly ignores you for the next 6 months for speaking his name without brushing your teeth. > > I am pretty darned convinced that most white men wouldn’t touch a black woman with a ten foot pole. I think, for example, most white men have no idea what, let’s say, Alex Ohanian sees in Serena Williams. They probably be like “Why are you with this tall, big-breasted, wide-hipped, in-shape Negro woman when you can get a skinny, blond, blue eyed, fair skin woman from Minnesota?” Before I met my wife, the love of my life, I dabbled with interracial dating and it was my experience that white women are curious and will experiment but are susceptible to shame for interracial dating. I remember this white woman I dated in college flat-out told me - after we just had sex - that we couldn’t be serious because her parents would not approve. Nice woman, though. I even took the time to look her up on facebook and, sure enough, she has a white partner now. She looks happy. I admit this view is from my own personal experiences so I could be convinced otherwise but it’s a pretty high bar. I just find it interesting that the people who swear it’s racism and whatever else when genetics is brought up with regards to humans don’t say a single word when someone uses a genetics argument with a different set of humans. The hypocrisy and implications are amusing is all. That’s why the absence of Dribble’s spin is telling. He’s all over every other thread finding racism after every third word like the paranoid fool he is. Now if I was going out of my way to make fun of one group for semen and Oreo cookies and ignored another group for doing the same thing then your analogy would make sense. Pretty soon you’ll be in the basketball threads with cites about how the wypipo can’t jump. See, your type of hypocrite at least has courage to speak your mind. Even if your mind, strictly because of environmental reasons, is full of contradictions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=53)