# Living while black in America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611 "2018-07-09T21:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1543 "2020-05-13T17:22:29Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > But the original reason for them is that it made people uncomfortable to have multiple cases “clutturing up” the forum. > > I don’t object to the existence of the megathreads to talk about the broader issue, but I dislike the idea that we can only talk about these issues in the megathreads. I’m not sure where you got that idea from, but it’s not true. You’re not required to only talk about issues facing African Americans in this particular thread, or police brutality in the police brutality thread. Any of these issues can absolutely be broken out and discussed in their own threads. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1544 "2020-05-13T18:30:06Z")
Disregarding the scintillating OP, this thread has evolved into a discussion about Arbery. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1545 "2020-05-17T18:13:36Z")
You know something interesting about that whole Breonna Taylor case? What has been the NRA position on this? I’ve heard nothing but crickets from them. It’s almost as if they’re less concerned with gun rights than with keeping brown people under control. A legally licensed handgun user defends his home from a no-knock invasion, fires a single shot, and his girlfriend is killed and he is arrested. Is there anyone who thinks that the NRA wouldn’t have taken up the defense of a white guy who was in the same situation; as unlikely as that seems, because shit like that doesn’t happen to white guys. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1546 "2020-05-17T18:19:39Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > You know something interesting about that whole Breonna Taylor case? What has been the NRA position on this? I’ve heard nothing but crickets from them. It’s almost as if they’re less concerned with gun rights than with keeping brown people under control. A legally licensed handgun user defends his home from a no-knock invasion, fires a single shot, and his girlfriend is killed and he is arrested. > > Is there anyone who thinks that the NRA wouldn’t have taken up the defense of a white guy who was in the same situation; as unlikely as that seems, because shit like that doesn’t happen to white guys. I don’t pretend to be an expert on the intimate details of NRA’s activism, but gun rights typically means expanding the legal right to use of deadly force for whites and restricting it for blacks. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1547 "2020-05-17T18:21:56Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t pretend to be an expert on the intimate details of NRA’s activism, but gun rights typically means expanding the legal right to use of deadly force for whites and restricting it for blacks. Willful misinformation and trolling. Hopefully. Because the other alternative is that you are simply low IQ. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1548 "2020-05-17T18:27:57Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > You know something interesting about that whole Breonna Taylor case? What has been the NRA position on this? I’ve heard nothing but crickets from them. It’s almost as if they’re less concerned with gun rights than with keeping brown people under control. A legally licensed handgun user defends his home from a no-knock invasion, fires a single shot, and his girlfriend is killed and he is arrested. > > Is there anyone who thinks that the NRA wouldn’t have taken up the defense of a white guy who was in the same situation; as unlikely as that seems, because shit like that doesn’t happen to white guys. Another example; [Philando Castile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile) who was killed by police despite being a licensed gun owner. Crickets from the NRA. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1549 "2020-05-17T18:36:18Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Another example; [Philando Castile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile) who was killed by police despite being a licensed gun owner. Crickets from the NRA. Oh come on, it’s not like the NRA SUPPORTED gun control when the goal was to take firearms away from black people, while being completely silent when white people do the same thing… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1550 "2020-05-17T19:12:43Z")
When there is ever a gun rights issue relating to black people that Democrats and liberals jump on, the NRA has consistently ignored it - they’ve shown again and again that they value their relationship with conservative whites far, far more than any actual concern for blacks and gun rights. Castile is just one example of many. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1551 "2020-05-17T20:01:08Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Willful misinformation and trolling. Hopefully. Because the other alternative is that you are simply low IQ. > **[Black Codes (United States)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States))** > > The Black Codes, sometimes called the Black Laws, were laws which governed the conduct of African Americans (both free and freedmen). In 1832, James Kent wrote that "in most of the United States, there is a distinction in respect to political privileges, between free white persons and free colored persons of African blood; and in no part of the country do the latter, in point of fact, participate equally with the whites, in the exercise of civil and political rights." Although Black Codes exis Si... > [@](#): > > Some states explicitly curtailed Black people’s right to bear arms, justifying these laws with claims of imminent insurrection.[53][54] In Mississippi and Alabama, these laws were enforced through the creation of special militias.[55] > **[Mulford Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act)** > > The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms without a permit. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and signed into law by governor of California Ronald Reagan, the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching. They garnered national attention after Black Panthers members, bearing arms, marched Assembly... > [@](#): > > AB-1591 was made an “urgency statute” under Article IV, §8(d) of the Constitution of California after “an organized band of men armed with loaded firearms […] entered the Capitol” on May 2nd, 1967[6]; as such, it required a 2/3 majority in each house. It passed the Assembly (controlled by Democrats 42:38) at subsequent readings, passed the Senate (split 20:20) on July 26th by 29 votes to 7[7], and was signed by Governor Ronald Reagan on July 28th, 1967. The law banned the carrying of loaded weapons in public. [8] > **[Stand-your-ground law | Racial disparity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#Racial_disparity)** > > In 2012, in response to the Trayvon Martin case, the Tampa Bay Times compiled a report on the application of stand your ground, and also created a database of cases where defendants sought to invoke the law. The database included many cases that were not legally stand your ground, such as when the defender was in the home or had no safe opportunity to flee, so care must be taken in its evaluation in regards to stand your ground law. Their report found no racial disparity in Florid A Texas A&M stu... > [@](#): > > A Texas A&M study found that when whites use the stand-your-ground defense against black attackers they are more successful than when blacks use the defense against white attackers.[28] A paper from The Urban Institute which analysed FBI data found that in stand-your-ground states, the use of the defense by whites in the shooting of a black person is found to be justifiable 17 percent of the time, while the defense when used by blacks in the shooting of a white person is successful 1 percent of the time.[28][29] In non-stand-your-ground states, the shooting of a black person by a white is found justified approximately 9 percent of the time, while the shooting of a white person by a black is found justified approximately 1 percent of the time.[28][29] According to the Urban Institute, in Stand Your Ground states, white-on-black homicides are 354 percent more likely to be ruled justified than white-on-white homicides, even though they are more common by over 72 percent.[30] The paper’s author noted that the data used do not detail the circumstances of the shooting, which could be a source of the disparity. They also noted that the total number of shootings in the FBI dataset of black victims by whites was 25.[31] A 2015 study found that cases with white victims are two times more likely to result in convictions under these laws than cases with black victims.[32] My IQ’s high enough to support my original statement. Looks like you can sit back, relax, and have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up now. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1552 "2020-05-19T19:11:43Z")
Travis McMichael’s posted a photo of Ahmaud Arbery’s dead body on Snapchat. > **[The sister of Ahmaud Arbery's accused killer posted pictures of his dead body...](https://news.yahoo.com/sister-ahmaud-arberys-accused-killer-095844761.html)** > > In an interview with The Sun, Lindsay McMichael admitted to sharing a photo of Arbery's body at the scene, but said she didn't do so maliciously. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1553 "2020-05-19T19:19:45Z")
> [@](#): > > The Sun reported that the photo photo, which shows Arbery’s blood-soaked body at the crime scene, had been making the rounds within the Brunswick, Georgia community before Lindsay McMichael posted it. > > When asked about the picture by The Sun on Monday, Lindsay McMichael apologized and said she had shown poor judgment. > > “I had no nefarious or malicious intent when I posted that picture,” she said. Livestream culture melting in with American lynching culture. So much poor judgement used in this killing and its subsequent legal cover up. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1554 "2020-05-19T19:24:00Z")
Reminds me of those old lynching postcards. Truly disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1555 "2020-05-19T19:31:06Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Travis McMichael’s posted a photo of Ahmaud Arbery’s dead body on Snapchat. > [The sister of Ahmaud Arbery's accused killer posted pictures of his dead body to Snapchat, and said it's because she's a 'true crime fan'](https://news.yahoo.com/sister-ahmaud-arberys-accused-killer-095844761.html) Sister. His sister. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1556 "2020-05-19T19:34:43Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Looks like you can sit back, relax, and have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up now. Sometimes I really wish this board had a like button. I’m stealing this. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1557 "2020-05-19T19:54:16Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t pretend to be an expert on the intimate details of NRA’s activism, but gun rights typically means expanding the legal right to use of deadly force for whites and restricting it for blacks. > [@asahi](#): > > [Black Codes (United States) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)) > > [Mulford Act - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act) > > [Stand-your-ground law - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#Racial_disparity) > > My IQ’s high enough to support my original statement. > > Looks like you can sit back, relax, and have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up now. Your cites have nothing to do with 21st century gun rights. Stand your ground isnt the same as 2nd Amendment activism. What happened decades ago isnt relevant to what is happening today and is a red herring (one of your typical debate strategies) to link gun ownership with racism. If you actually knew any minorities, you would understand that gun ownership is as common or perhaps more so where there are large pockets of white liberals like NYC, LA and SF. You could use a baseball bat in a stand your ground defense. Or a knife. Again, your cites do not support your essentially insane statement that “gun rights typically means expanding the legal right to use of deadly force for whites and restricting it for blacks.”. If you had the mental acuity to put two and two together, you would understand that the problem isnt the guns but an institutionally racist justice system. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1558 "2020-05-19T20:05:51Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Your cites have nothing to do with 21st century gun rights. Stand your ground isnt the same as 2nd Amendment activism. What happened decades ago isnt relevant to what is happening today and is a red herring (one of your typical debate strategies) to link gun ownership with racism. If you actually knew any minorities, you would understand that gun ownership is as common or perhaps more so where there are large pockets of white liberals like NYC, LA and SF. You could use a baseball bat in a stand your ground defense. Or a knife. > > Again, your cites do not support your essentially insane statement that “gun rights typically means expanding the legal right to use of deadly force for whites and restricting it for blacks.”. If you had the mental acuity to put two and two together, you would understand that the problem isnt the guns but an institutionally racist justice system. LOL! Racism ended because…Y2K. Thanks, buddy, I needed the laugh - I really did. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1559 "2020-05-19T20:07:05Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Sometimes I really wish this board had a like button. I’m stealing this. 😃 Glad I could brighten your day. And thank you for flying Asahi Airways. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1560 "2020-05-19T20:16:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > LOL! Racism ended because…Y2K. > > Thanks, buddy, I needed the laugh - I really did. Racism and gun rights are two separate issues. The racism you linked to in your cites is about institutional racism and the failure of the justice system to apply the law equally. Your cites didnt provide any evidence that "“gun rights typically means expanding the legal right to use of deadly force for whites and restricting it for blacks.”. I know you want them to. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1561 "2020-05-19T20:20:39Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Racism and gun rights are two separate issues. The racism you linked to in your cites is about institutional racism and the failure of the justice system to apply the law equally. Your cites didnt provide any evidence that "“gun rights typically means expanding the legal right to use of deadly force for whites and restricting it for blacks.”. I know you want them to. How do you think white supremacy was enforced? ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1562 "2020-05-19T20:43:51Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Racism and gun rights are two separate issues. They are inextricably linked. You can’t discuss gun rights without discussing racism. Not in the 60s, not 10 years ago, and not today. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=79)