# Living while black in America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611 "2018-07-09T21:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1663 "2020-05-27T21:47:53Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Fine. Act however you wish, and happily allow cops and courts to interpret it how they will. > > If I were a man alone in a park w/ a strange woman, I would certainly not say that I was going to do something they wouldn’t like. Doesn’t matter what our respective skin colors. And whatever one’s goal, intentionally annoying someone generally suggests to me that another option might be preferable. > > But, different strokes. And I generally expect everyone i meet - whether walking dogs or watching birds, to be unreasonable. > > I already said twice that the woman was CLEARLY wrong. Sweet, now apply your logic to letting an unleashed dog run around and approach strangers. Far closer to assault than offering a dog a treat. Please, please, please, tell me you’re joking, and not doing literally everything possible to put blame on the birdwatcher. Because it reeks. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1664 "2020-05-27T21:55:15Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I don’t think it is all that rare. It’s just a coward’s excuse that it is hard. And tribe is an easy place for a coward to hide. So, the folks who escaped the stalags of the Soviets or the extermination camps of the Nazis were cowards? That’s a novel take. Anyways, situations are rarely binary in outcome. Nor are people limited to one course of singular action. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1665 "2020-05-27T22:32:25Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I never said that you mentally deficient fool. I said, to paraphrase, if a country was too dangerous to live in than migration is a rational decision. Anyways, find the links of what I’ve said and prove you are not a liar. You defecate on the carpet and expect us to search for it? Do you think we enjoy its foul odor? :smack: No, YOU track one of those disgusting whines down and post it here for discussion. If you don’t, you’re a coward. If you come up with one of your less egregious versions of the nastiness and claim it’s the most racist-seeming you could find, I’ll call you a Liar again. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1666 "2020-05-27T22:45:42Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You defecate on the carpet and expect us to search for it? Do you think we enjoy its foul odor? :smack: > > No, YOU track one of those disgusting whines down and post it here for discussion. If you don’t, you’re a coward. If you come up with one of your less egregious versions of the nastiness and claim it’s the most racist-seeming you could find, I’ll call you a Liar again. Like I care about your dishonest dementia riddled brain’s demands. Lol. “We?” Speaking hive again? You’re the nut making the claim the burden of proof is on you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1667 "2020-05-27T22:52:20Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > IN the Minneapolis case, I just wonder, what where the cops thinking? This wasn’t someone resisting arrest, or even “resisting arrest”, he was cuffed. What did kneeling on him accomplish? > > Are the cops so fucked in the head that they thought…what? No one would care? It doesn’t make any sense. > > And I wonder if the other cops are all “the city doesn’t support us”, the old blue wall thing. How many Minneapolis cops are going to go on strike to protest the firing of their “bother officers”? I guess we’ll see. A few notes I wanted to add to this: the FBI and the MBI are investigating. I would expect murder charges for at least some of the officers. I also notice that there are protests and police are using tear gas. It’s ok to take guns into a state capitol and intimidate lawmakers, but protest - well, hold on there. What happened to George Floyd is criminal. It should not happen. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1668 "2020-05-28T00:45:24Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Not to hijack but a super interesting-looking [video series on Birds of N. America hosted by a New York birdwatcher who is black](https://www.topic.com/birds-of-north-america) is apparently temporarily available for free watching. Not to keep hijacking, but it turns out that Christian Cooper actually makes an appearance in [this episode](https://www.topic.com/warbler-migration-in-central-park) of that series, Jason Ward’s _Birds of North America_! Wow I had never heard of Jason Ward before and I, what is it the kids say, “stan” for him. All right, that is absolutely all from me about birdwatchers on birdwatching in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1669 "2020-05-28T00:53:48Z")
So the octoid is still pounding that “all they have to do is migrate to another country” nonsense, huh? Look, fool. Migrating from a place that does not require an exit visa is simple. The issue is migrating to another place. That other place very well may have requirements attached to incoming prospective citizens, not to mention the logistics of getting there. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1670 "2020-05-28T00:55:11Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > A few notes I wanted to add to this: the FBI and the MBI are investigating. I would expect murder charges for at least some of the officers. I also notice that there are protests and police are using tear gas. It’s ok to take guns into a state capitol and intimidate lawmakers, but protest - well, hold on there. > > What happened to George Floyd is criminal. It should not happen. It’s okay to take guns into the capitol if you happen to be white, and not okay to protest if you are Black. So the evidence appears to show. What a fucked up place my country is turning into. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1671 "2020-05-28T02:26:28Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > IN the Minneapolis case, I just wonder, what where the cops thinking? This wasn’t someone resisting arrest, or even “resisting arrest”, he was cuffed. What did kneeling on him accomplish? > > Are the cops so fucked in the head that they thought…what? No one would care? It doesn’t make any sense. > > And I wonder if the other cops are all “the city doesn’t support us”, the old blue wall thing. How many Minneapolis cops are going to go on strike to protest the firing of their “bother officers”? I guess we’ll see. They didn’t think that no one would care. They thought that no one who mattered would care. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1672 "2020-05-28T02:49:47Z")
Question somewhat related to this thread: from coverage of incidents like this, I found out there are a few groups who advocate abolition of the police and prisons. This is usually secondhand, so I don’t know any names. What do they generally advocate as a replacement? Something similar to what’s in place now, except built from the ground up to not be racist and such? Or something completely different? Or nothing at all? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1673 "2020-05-28T02:56:38Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > A few notes I wanted to add to this: the FBI and the MBI are investigating. I would expect murder charges for at least some of the officers. I also notice that there are protests and police are using tear gas. It’s ok to take guns into a state capitol and intimidate lawmakers, but protest - well, hold on there. > > What happened to George Floyd is criminal. It should not happen. I’m tired of cops who kill people being fired they need to be prosecuted with extreme prejudice, the cop who held his knee to the guy’s neck should get the death penalty and the cop who just stood there should get life as it was his duty to use deadly force if necessary to prevent that man’s murder. Bet that won’t happen though. It’s sad that it takes a near race riot and FBI investigation for the mere possibility that a murdering pig cop is brought to justice. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1674 "2020-05-28T03:00:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You defecate on the carpet and expect us to search for it? Do you think we enjoy its foul odor? :smack: Nobody does. Maybe stop picking it up and waving it around? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1675 "2020-05-28T03:41:53Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > A few notes I wanted to add to this: the FBI and the MBI are investigating. I would expect murder charges for at least some of the officers. I also notice that there are protests and police are using tear gas. It’s ok to take guns into a state capitol and intimidate lawmakers, but protest - well, hold on there. > > What happened to George Floyd is criminal. It should not happen. Y’all Qaeda isn’t protesting police. That’s why the police don’t give a damn. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1676 "2020-05-28T03:43:36Z")
What he said ^^^^ (damn! what **Left Hand of Dorkness** said) I acknowledge my guilt for being the first to respond in this thread. Mea culpa, I should have known better. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1677 "2020-05-28T03:54:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I never said that you mentally deficient fool. I said, to paraphrase, if a country was too dangerous to live in than migration is a rational decision. Anyways, find the links of what I’ve said and prove you are not a liar. You didn’t say it. You did say it. And people can’t prove you said it. I’m finding some ambivalence in your position. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1678 "2020-05-28T03:57:35Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Question somewhat related to this thread: from coverage of incidents like this, I found out there are a few groups who advocate abolition of the police and prisons. This is usually secondhand, so I don’t know any names. What do they generally advocate as a replacement? Something similar to what’s in place now, except built from the ground up to not be racist and such? Or something completely different? Or nothing at all? Good question. The system we had before police and prisons was based on the community getting together and killing the people that it decided needed killing. Which historically didn’t work out so well for black people. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1679 "2020-05-28T04:00:24Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So the octoid is still pounding that “all they have to do is migrate to another country” nonsense, huh? Look, fool. Migrating from a place that does not require an exit visa is simple. The issue is migrating to another place. That other place very well may have requirements attached to incoming prospective citizens, not to mention the logistics of getting there. In my opinion, that’s not the issue. It shouldn’t matter if other countries were welcoming people in with open arms. The issue is nobody should feel they have to leave this country because they can’t get fair and equal treatment here. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1680 "2020-05-28T04:52:05Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Question somewhat related to this thread: from coverage of incidents like this, I found out there are a few groups who advocate abolition of the police and prisons. This is usually secondhand, so I don’t know any names. What do they generally advocate as a replacement? Something similar to what’s in place now, except built from the ground up to not be racist and such? Or something completely different? Or nothing at all? It should be replaced with [care](https://newint.org/features/2020/02/10/should-prisons-be-abolished), of course! On a more serious note, this is one of those far-left ideas (at least, I always seem to hear it from the far left) that I don’t think works in the real world. If someone wanted to take the pro-abolition side, I think it could make a pretty interesting GD thread. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1681 "2020-05-28T05:49:50Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > It should be replaced with [care](https://newint.org/features/2020/02/10/should-prisons-be-abolished), of course! I couldn’t finish that article. It was turning me into a conservative. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/1682 "2020-05-28T05:50:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In my opinion, that’s not the issue. It shouldn’t matter if other countries were welcoming people in with open arms. The issue is nobody should feel they have to leave this country because they can’t get fair and equal treatment here. Of course that’s true. It just seems unlikely that in a nation full of people who either worship the state (the left) or, bizarrely the state’s enforcers (the right) that justice and accountability are going to be universal. Looting Target probably isn’t a good first step in the quixotic battle either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=83) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611.md?page=85)