# Liz Cheney for president. Who would vote for her? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830 "2022-08-17T14:36:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/1 "2022-08-17T14:36:23Z")
Now that Cheney has decisively lost her seat in the House, there is speculation that she might run for president. She’s not denying it and says that she will make that decision in a few months. Who does she think will vote for her? She’s VERY conservative so I can’t see any Democrats choosing her over a Democrat. The majority of Republicans are loyal to Trump and he made it his mission to see to it that she lose her primary race so I can’t see many Republicans choosing her either. That leaves independents and there just aren’t enough of them. I appreciate the stand that she took but she should just move on with her life outside of politics. Sometimes, the bad guys win. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/2 "2022-08-17T14:43:07Z")
I can’t picture her being the Republican nominee. If Agent Orange is, she could try as a third-party candidate, which would split the conservative vote (and make it more likely he’d lose). That would be cool, but I can’t imagine going to the effort and expense it would take to do that. She’d have no chance at all of winning. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/3 "2022-08-17T14:43:42Z")
She also suffers guilt by association for being Dick Cheney’s daughter. But I think some Republicans that aren’t Trumpers would vote for her in a heartbeat over Trump or DeSantis. I think some former Republicans that can’t believe where their party has gone but are basically still conservative would vote for her. I don’t see even moderate Democrats voting for her, so it would probably be good for the country if she ran as an independent. She has no chance in a Republican Primary though. ETA: _Linking to related threads:_ > [@Liz Cheney way down in poll, GOP primary is August 16th {With 96% of the votes reported, she lost 66% to 29%}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-way-down-in-poll-gop-primary-is-august-16th-with-96-of-the-votes-reported-she-lost-66-to-29/969449): > > poll is 1 month old but in small states they don’t do a lot of polls > [@Would you vote for Liz Cheney for president in 2024?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-you-vote-for-liz-cheney-for-president-in-2024/966918): > > Seriously. Without any hesitation, I would. If she was running in the local primary for Republican Presidential Nominee I would register as a Republican and cast my vote for her. If she made it to the General Election, I’d have to think about it, but probably would, too. And, I have never voted Republican for a national office. Not that I embrace her political philosophy, not that I don’t believe any Democratic Nominee would be good for the country,but I do believe it would be the quickest and… > [@How Liz Cheney can hold her seat](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-liz-cheney-can-hold-her-seat/941554): > > She runs in the WY GOP primary 2) Maybe she wins there (problem solved) but probably not. 3) she then runs as an Independent–since she’s got some support among the GOP (not much) and the Independent voters of the state, she can probably cobble together at least 10% of the total vote running as an IND, maybe up to 20%. 4)THIS IS BIG–instead of running a sacrificial lamb in the general election, the Dems endorse Liz Cheney.This must (to judge from recent election results in WY) add another 30%, m… > [@Why is Liz Cheney taking this lying down?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-is-liz-cheney-taking-this-lying-down/932352): > > For the umpteenth time, we have had headlines like this: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-republican-cheneys-vote-was-middle-finger-to-residents/vi-BB1dsj2o](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-republican-cheneys-vote-was-middle-finger-to-residents/vi-BB1dsj2o) And from her…nothing. Why doesn’t she come out on the offensive? Is it me, or does her silence make her look weak? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/4 "2022-08-17T14:51:20Z")
Of course she has no chance and Democrat’s would be fools to vote her for many reasons. What she would be good for is drawing money and votes away from MAGAs by running as an independent Fuck You Trump candidate. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/5 "2022-08-17T14:57:03Z")
If she runs and only campaigns in R-leaning states (like TX, OH, FL) that won’t be tipping point states than I think she should run for sure. That way she can only help the Democratic candidate. I don’t think we can know whether she’d take more away from the R or D candidate, so until we knew this for sure she should stay away from tipping point states like PA, WI, MI, AZ, and GA. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/6 "2022-08-17T15:15:10Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > If Agent Orange is, she could try as a third-party candidate, which would split the conservative vote (and make it more likely he’d lose). I think it’s just as possible that she would provide a refuge for reluctant Biden voters who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Trump, and end up splitting _his_ coalition. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/7 "2022-08-17T15:27:44Z")
Her immediate goal is wrecking the Trumpist/populist wing of the Republican party and reinstate the corporatist wing. I don’t think running for president in 2024 will help with that. Her best way to influence the party is by punditry and organizing, not running for office. Being on the outside will give her the opportunity to say and do things she couldn’t while in office. I’ll never vote for her, but I’ll reject her on the merits of her positions, not the automatic rejection I use for current Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/8 "2022-08-17T15:30:53Z")
There aren’t a lot of scenarios where I’d be likely to vote for her, but given the stand she’s taken in the past two years I do believe I could vote for her in at least some circumstances. As opposed to some people I would never vote for. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/9 "2022-08-17T15:36:32Z")
I do not believe 2024 is her future, if she does run for President 2028 seems like the time to do that. Spend the next four or five years building up her retail political infrastructure, getting committees in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc. Meeting with big donors, crafting policies that have broad appeal and also capitalize on her reputation for standing up to authority (while somehow being part of the establishment.) If she does run in 2024, it will be within that new “moderate” party that Yang is promoting. The best hope for that effort seems to be a hope for synergistic gains in placing known names from competing parties into the same pot for idealistic morons like me who want the world to be a Frank Capra movie. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/10 "2022-08-17T15:40:23Z")
While she could be attempting to split the Republican vote as a poke-in-the-eye to TFG, I think, based on some of the reporting, it’s more long range. > **[Liz Cheney is considering a presidential run to stop Trump after losing her...](https://www.npr.org/sections/2022-live-primary-election-race-results/2022/08/16/1117705185/liz-cheney-concedes-primary-defeat-but-her-fight-against-trump-continues)** > > Liz Cheney's sustained criticism of former President Trump made her one of his top political targets. She's now laying out her plans to make sure he never wins back the White House. > In the interview on Wednesday, she called Trump a “grave threat” and said, “I think that defeating him is going to require a broad and united front of Democrats, Republicans and independents, and that’s what I intend to be part of.” > > Cheney didn’t say whether she would run as a Republican or an independent, but said the GOP is “in very bad shape” and said it “could take several election cycles” to return it to its principles. But she said it was important for the country that the Republican Party return to its roots, instead of being focused on Trump. So based on this, it is my opinion she’s trying to keep a visible ‘traditional’ Republican POV in the election cycles to serve as a counter to Trumplicans, and hopes that after a few more cycles of crazies, that there will be a willingness to return to something closer to sanity. And if such a cycle occurs, as the Grand Olde Person of the traditionals, she’d be a welcome and viable candidate. Do I think it will work? No. And as others, I’m worried she’d attract votes away from some of the anti-Trump conservatives that are now voting as reluctant conservative Democrats. But who knows? ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/11 "2022-08-17T15:41:32Z")
I agree with this. She will have more power and flexibility to call the MAGAts out on their lies without having to worry about pleasing some base of voters. All she has to do is add a rift in Republican voters in several purple key states to deny TFG a win. TFG wants her to “disappear”, but I think that is just a wish. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/12 "2022-08-17T15:56:57Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > So based on this, it is my opinion she’s trying to keep a visible ‘traditional’ Republican POV in the election cycles to serve as a counter to Trumplicans, and hopes that after a few more cycles of crazies, that there will be a willingness to return to something closer to sanity. That makes sense to me, too. She’ll run (and get trounced) in the '24 primaries, but if the Trumpish GOP crashes and burns after '24 she’ll be well-positioned to win the nomination in '28. Or '32. Would I vote for her in the general? Fuck no. But I would be glad to vote against a sane opponent and would not fear for my country’s future with her in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/13 "2022-08-17T16:00:23Z")
Perhaps she’ll run just to be able to engage Trump in a debate forum. Basically, to burn down his house in the public eye where Trumpies will actually be watching. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/14 "2022-08-17T16:07:49Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Perhaps she’ll run just to be able to engage Trump in a debate forum. This. Yes please this. ---
**Author:** ![dolphinboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dolphinboy/32/330_2.png) [@dolphinboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolphinboy)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/15 "2022-08-17T16:12:11Z")
> [@Temporary\_Name](#): > > I do not believe 2024 is her future, if she does run for President 2028 seems like the time to do that. Spend the next four or five years building up her retail political infrastructure, getting committees in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc. This, although the only way a woman could win would be against a total loser like Trump. Remember, Clinton beat Trump by nearly 3 million votes (damn electoral college system)! ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/16 "2022-08-17T16:31:34Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Perhaps she’ll run just to be able to engage Trump in a debate forum. Basically, to burn down his house in the public eye where Trumpies will actually be watching. TFG will never agree to a 1:1 with her. He’s too afwaid. He was barely able to hold it together facing-off against the gentle and elderly Mr. Biden. She’d rip him to shreds. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/17 "2022-08-17T16:54:55Z")
All patriotism and posturing aside, what the Cheneys and their private constituents (not voters) want is to get the industrial war machine back in power, that is who they are and why they are trying to make sure Trump doesn’t get back in office. Back to perptual war and the money that brings in for the real Cheney support people. She is, was, and will remain a Neo-Con and her father’s daughter. She is not in this to protect the constitution, that was just for show. They want to crank that war machine back up. If she runs for president I don’t know who will be voting for her, but I know there will be a lot of money coming in from the industrial complex war machine. The need for a handy regime change will be provided when the time comes. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/18 "2022-08-17T20:27:16Z")
I’ve never asked for a Republican ballot for a primary election, but if it’s Cheney vs Trump on the Republican side, I might consider doing so in order to vote against the con man. It would depend on the possible Democratic primary race. I’d rather choose a Democratic ballot. So in theory, there may be a circumstance where I would vote for her over Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/19 "2022-08-17T20:28:43Z")
If she runs in the GOP primaries in 2024 and loses, there are some states, like Ohio, which have “sore loser” laws which mean she couldn’t then run in the general election. Better, I’d say, if she runs as an independent in the general - perhaps as the candidate of Forward, the party which Andrew Yang and others recently founded. She’d hurt Trump the most that way in November, drawing off conservative Never-Trumpers. For more: [Andrew Yang and ex-GOP officials form new political party to appeal to moderates | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/politics/andrew-yang-forward-party-whitman-jolly/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/20 "2022-08-17T20:43:32Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Better, I’d say, if she runs as an independent in the general … Dopers in this thread and elsewhere often seem split on whether a 3rd party candidate would help Trump or Biden (if he runs again). I fear even an arch conservative like Cheney would hurt Biden more, because most voters just aren’t that well-informed. They know they don’t like Trump, so they’d vote for Biden even though they sort of believe all this stuff about him being a semi-senile old coot who caused inflation. Cheney gives them a way to feel good about voting for neither, so she takes votes away from Biden. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830.md?page=2)