# Liz Cheney for president. Who would vote for her? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 17, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830 "2022-08-17T14:36:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/21 "2022-08-17T21:43:26Z")
The fact that she lost by such a huge margin makes me question the intelligence of Wyoming republican voters. Anyone who claims this about anything other than party/Trump over country is lying to themselves. Its a good thing they don’t have more congressional seats. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/22 "2022-08-17T22:22:48Z")
> **[Cheney's defeat end of an era for GOP; Trump's party now](https://apnews.com/article/cheney-defeat-marks-end-of-era-for-gop-65c8b400b533dffc422322031a0dbf5c)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — Liz Cheney’s resounding primary defeat marks the end of an era for the Republican Party as well as her own family legacy, the most high-profile political casualty yet as the party of Lincoln transforms into the party of Trump. _“Liz Cheney represents the Republican Party as it used to be. … All of that is gone now,” said Geoff Kabaservice, vice president of political studies at the center-right Niskanen Center._ _“It’s just a party of Donald Trump’s fever dreams,” said Mark Salter, a former longtime Republican aide to the late Sen. John McCain._ _“It’s just Donald Trump’s club.”_ _For 50 years, the Cheneys have had important influence in Washington, from the time Dick Cheney first ran for Congress — later being elected vice president — to the arrival of his daughter, elected in 2016 alongside Trump’s White House victory._ _Identified with the hawkish defense wing of the Republican Party, the Cheneys with the Presidents Bush represented a cornerstone of the GOP in the post-World War II era, when it thrived as a party of small government, low taxation and muscular foreign policy._ I guess that’s a wrap for the Grand 'Ol Party. Looks like they’re well on their way to cult-land. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/23 "2022-08-17T22:27:44Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > The fact that she lost by such a huge margin makes me question the intelligence of Wyoming republican voters. Wyoming has open primaries, and the numbers indicate that a substantial number of Democrats voted in the Republican primary. Which means that she would have lost by an even larger margin if it had only been Republican voters. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/24 "2022-08-17T22:49:43Z")
(From snowthx’s link, mot snowthx…) > [@snowthx](#): > > Identified with the hawkish defense wing of the Republican Party, the Cheneys with the Presidents Bush represented … muscular foreign policy. Well that almost sounds admirable. What a misrepresentation. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/25 "2022-08-18T12:49:45Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Better, I’d say, if she runs as an independent in the general - perhaps as the candidate of Forward, the party which Andrew Yang and others recently founded. She’d hurt Trump the most that way in November, drawing off conservative Never-Trumpers. Yes! All 12 of them. And, thousands or tens of thousands of disgusted Republican voters who may have voted for Biden if they didn’t have another option, but then would have another option. Seems like a recipe for success! Just ask former President Gore. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/26 "2022-08-18T13:06:14Z")
Yeah, I would like to think Cheney could “Ralph Nader” TFG, but would enough Republican voters throw their votes away like that? I think people voted for Nader not to deprive Gore votes, but in hopes Nader would win, or at least let a third party get a foothold. A Republican vote for Cheney is a vote specifically against TFG (and essentiially for the Democrat). I wonder how many are willing to do that, rather than fall in line (or just stay home)? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/27 "2022-08-18T13:19:54Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > _“It’s just a party of Donald Trump’s fever dreams,” said Mark Salter, a former longtime Republican aide to the late Sen. John McCain._ > > _“It’s just Donald Trump’s club.”_ I would disagree with that. It’s the party of lies, conspiracy theories, tribe over country and believing politics just means kicking people you don’t like. Trumpism, but not necessarily Trump. Trump is like the Isaac Newton of bullshit and hate; a giant in the field, but many in the GOP are ready to stand on his shoulders. The question now is, can it be stopped? If FOX tomorrow explained how many of their stories were BS, then the typical trumpist will just file them with MSM / fake news, and go to sources that say what they want to hear. If the GOP dissolved, then a trumpist party will spring up in its place. Something big, culturally needs to happen to make enough of the US public embrace and understand rationality, objectivity and, heck, just being _reasonable_. I am not holding my breath… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/28 "2022-08-18T13:29:35Z")
Cheney has no chance of running the Trumpite gauntlet in '24. Campaigning for President as an independent would forever end her chances of holding national office as a Republican. And while she’s getting praise on the Left right now (an op-ed in the Boston Globe gushes about her “clarion courage”), if she by some miracle managed to get the Republican nomination, progressives would quickly pivot to portraying her as Satan incarnate. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/29 "2022-08-18T13:32:02Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > A Republican vote for Cheney is a vote specifically against TFG (and essentiially for the Democrat). No, a vote for the Democrat is a vote for the Democrat, so those who feel they must vote against the former guy have to vote for Biden unless Cheney runs third party. That why I think she would strip votes from the Dems – Trump voters are voting for Trump, knee-jerk R voters are voting for Trump. It’s those disaffected voters that might normally hold their noses and vote for Biden that she could grab. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/30 "2022-08-18T13:33:11Z")
That ship has sailed. She’d be running to make a statement, and hurt Trump, not to win. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/31 "2022-08-18T13:33:54Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > …if she by some miracle managed to get the Republican nomination, progressives would quickly pivot to portraying her as Satan incarnate. I can find someone brave and also hate all of their political positions. Man, has the bar for bravery been lowered – not willing to support wannabe tyrant who tried to overthrow democracy. What a brave soul! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/32 "2022-08-18T13:53:09Z")
Courage, as defined by willingness to accept the prospect of losing office by making a principled stand, is extremely rare in politics. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/33 "2022-08-18T13:56:08Z")
There were lots of Republicans who didn’t bother running after standing up to Trump – also courageous? Was LBJ courageous? However, my point really is that it should take courage to stand up to a wannabe dictator and likely seditious criminal in any political party in the US. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/34 "2022-08-18T14:38:18Z")
If the choice was between Cheney and Trump I’d have no problem voting for Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2022, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/35 "2022-08-19T01:47:49Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > But I think some Republicans that aren’t Trumpers would vote for her in a heartbeat over Trump or DeSantis. I think some former Republicans that can’t believe where their party has gone but are basically still conservative would vote for her. This is me. I can’t believe that a prior democratic pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-tariff, isolationist cult of personality has taken over what should be a conservative movement. Now “conservative” = bend the knee fealty to a buffoon. Trump has spent MUCH more time and effort trying to defeat republicans than democratics. For now it seems to be working. But I’ll not vote for anyone who cites Trump as a political role model or buys into his ridiculous lies about a “stolen election.” That doesn’t leave me many options, which is why I’d love to be able to at least cast a protest vote for Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/36 "2022-08-23T21:54:00Z")
And yet consider: > **[New poll indicates a Liz Cheney presidential run would hurt Biden more than...](https://www.aol.com/news/poll-indicates-liz-cheney-presidential-162214298.html)** > > Rep. Liz Cheney vowed to make sure “Trump is never again anywhere near the Oval Office.” But a new poll shows that if she were to run for president in 2024, she could single-handedly swing the election to Trump. Learn which voters support her — and... ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830/37 "2022-08-24T00:27:53Z")
Fair point. As things are, the base of people who will vote FOR Trump no matter what is more solid and stubborn than anyone else’s. > [@divemaster](#): > > But I’ll not vote for anyone who cites Trump as a political role model or buys into his ridiculous lies about a “stolen election.” That doesn’t leave me many options, which is why I’d love to be able to at least cast a protest vote for Cheney. Of course, you _could_ vote for the Democrat until the threat is neutralized, and then go back to business as usual when normal conservatism is restored. Really. 8 years of Democrats Will. Not. End. America. 8 years of Trumpism/DeSantism may. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-cheney-for-president-who-would-vote-for-her/969830.md?page=1)