# Liz Truss tries to lead the UK {and resigns as of 2022-10-20} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 5, 2022, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992 "2022-09-05T14:06:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/21 "2022-09-06T10:16:51Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > our could present a positive vision of the world that affirms core values of the left while highlighting the hypocrisy of the right. I’m all for holding fire on the "retail’ policies until nearer the time (not least because circumstances can and do change in all sorts of unexpected ways. But I’m with you on shifting the “wholesale” terms of debate on the broad direction in which society and the economy need to move. At the risk of sounding like a dinosaur, I once read Labour’s 1945 manifesto. It has not one single “retail” policy detail, no costings, no pledges on levels of taxation and benefits. It’s all about general themes and ambitions. Of course, these days you have to flesh out the “retail” details when the time comes, but they really need to get on with laying the groundwork. Maybe they could find a level of general themes that can be shared with the LibDems and Greens, in case there’s a hung parliament. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/22 "2022-09-06T10:20:39Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > Maybe they could find a level of general themes that can be shared with the LibDems and Greens, in case there’s a hung parliament. The Tories will say that the danger is that Labour will partner with the SNP and allow the break up of the union. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/23 "2022-09-06T10:25:31Z")
Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle: > It’s like we’ve tunnelled out of R Kelly’s house and emerged in Prince Andrew’s basement ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/24 "2022-09-06T11:07:17Z")
Oh god, I don’t know which one of those are worse, so I don’t know what that means for y’all. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/25 "2022-09-06T11:09:23Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > The Tories will say that the danger is that Labour will partner with the SNP and allow the break up of the union. Of course they will say that, but all that says is that they’ve given up on winning seats in Scotland. (And the NI Protocol mess makes them even more vulnerable on the Union question). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/26 "2022-09-06T12:01:12Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > The Tories will say that the danger is that Labour will partner with the SNP and allow the break up of the union. Yes, but the Tories will say anything. Ironically, everything they’ve done in the last six years has done more to increase the risk of dissolution than anything Labour is ever likely to do. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/27 "2022-09-06T12:27:30Z")
I’m not arguing with that. And it’s pretty difficult to condemn the Scots for wanting to leave this clusterfuck. Refusing to let the Scots have a referendum is not a viable long term solution. The way to keep the Union together, and to keep it stable, is to create a country that the Scots want to be a part of. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/28 "2022-09-06T13:24:03Z")
I can perfectly hear that in his voice… ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/29 "2022-09-06T14:38:53Z")
I always wonder how Brexiteers can manage the hypocrisy of wanting to preserve the UK. Surely all the same arguments apply? In any case, it always seems to me that Labour is desperate not to alienate any potential Tory voters, which of course means they give nothing to their actual supporters. There seems to be a disconnect in modern politics between the campaigning skills that get you into a job, and the leadership skills you need to do the job. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/30 "2022-09-06T14:55:28Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I always wonder how Brexiteers can manage the hypocrisy of wanting to preserve the UK. Surely all the same arguments apply? Yes and no. I think the biggest difference is that the UK out of the EU is far more likely to succeed as an independent economy than Scotland out of the UK would be. In fact, given the way things have panned out, you could argue that the UK’s economic experience so far is an argument against Scottish independence. But let’s not have this debate again in this thread, it would be quite a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/31 "2022-09-06T18:11:48Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle: > > > It’s like we’ve tunnelled out of R Kelly’s house and emerged in Prince Andrew’s basement That made me snort coffee out of my nose. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/32 "2022-09-06T20:44:21Z")
Some of us have no clue who R Kelly is. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/33 "2022-09-06T20:45:08Z")
Pedophile singer. _Convicted_ pedophile singer. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/34 "2022-09-11T10:20:15Z")
wow according to this once the pleasantries due to the queens passing are over the commons are gonna be on fire [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-commons-was-filled-with-fury-then-came-news-about-the-queen/ar-AA11HbtE?ocid=MSNHP\_U646&pc=U646&cvid=51b90b8936324a12a3540e6ad52997e5](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-commons-was-filled-with-fury-then-came-news-about-the-queen/ar-AA11HbtE?ocid=MSNHP_U646&pc=U646&cvid=51b90b8936324a12a3540e6ad52997e5) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/35 "2022-09-11T11:34:23Z")
I do find it darkly amusing that the Queen met the freshly-appointed new PM and then apparently more or less immediately said “ah screw it I’m out of here.” ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/36 "2022-09-11T15:51:55Z")
Truss sucked out the queen’s life force. ---
**Author:** ![paulmarkj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@paulmarkj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulmarkj)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/37 "2022-09-12T11:30:30Z")
She has found out how to be popular: She has reduced winter fuel bills with money she does not have, but it has increased her ratings so she is happy and the elctorate are happier. She can keep doing this and remain popular. When will she pay the price? She doesn’t care. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/38 "2022-09-12T11:37:48Z")
from what I gather shes just put a price freeze , or is the government going to start paying people’s natural gas/ electric? because all they do here in the us is offer discounts and say the private utilities cant charge over x amount of dollars ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/39 "2022-09-12T11:54:35Z")
The prize freeze effectively means that the Government will have to pay the price difference to the energy companies. Going to cost about 150 Billion Pounds apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992/40 "2022-09-12T22:52:04Z")
This sounds a little like a nice windfall of cash for energy companies, paid for by future generations of British taxpayers. Pretty sweet for the companies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/liz-truss-tries-to-lead-the-uk-and-resigns-as-of-2022-10-20/970992.md?page=3)