# Loach is a dickhead fucking cop **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2006, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672 "2006-09-14T13:03:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/61 "2006-09-14T14:24:23Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] Of course it was obviously hypothetical. [/QUOTE] To all but one. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/62 "2006-09-14T14:26:01Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] BTW: I have a cracked windshield, is that really grounds to be pulled over? It is on the passenger side. [/QUOTE] If you put a bumper sticker on your car reading “I am not **Eleusis**!” that might help. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/63 "2006-09-14T14:26:58Z")
And I call BS on the whole “hypothetical” shit too. He’s done it, he knows it, and most of you know it. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/64 "2006-09-14T14:27:43Z")
[QUOTE=Eleusis] The only dealings I’ve had with cops in the last eight years have been road blocks, and the _good cops_ have let me through. Thank god **Loach** wasn’t there, my asshole is still intact. [/QUOTE] At those roadblocks, did you act in such a manner as **Loach** describes in his hypothetical? ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/65 "2006-09-14T14:28:08Z")
[QUOTE=Crotalus] To all but one. [/QUOTE] Lie to yourself. Does it feel good? ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/66 "2006-09-14T14:28:51Z")
**Eleusis** , you have fucking lost it. **LOACH** HAS NOT PULLED ANYONE OVER FOR A CRACKED WINDSHIELD! HE NEVER CLAIMED TO! Your willful ignorance in this matter is hard to comprehend, how many people have to point this out to you before you clean the saliva from your glasses and READ! If there is an asshole in this thread, his face is reflected in your monitor. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/67 "2006-09-14T14:29:46Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] At those roadblocks, did you act in such a manner as **Loach** describes in his hypothetical? [/QUOTE] I kept my hands on the wheel and said “sir”. Fuck you too, **moderator**. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/68 "2006-09-14T14:29:56Z")
_Stay down, Luke!_ [/George Kennedy] ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/69 "2006-09-14T14:30:01Z")
[QUOTE=Eleusis] And I call BS on the whole “hypothetical” shit too. He’s done it, he knows it, and most of you know it. [/QUOTE] Can you bend spoons with your mind as well? It seems Yuri has some competition. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/70 "2006-09-14T14:32:10Z")
[QUOTE=Eleusis] GFactor, you’re a lawyer right? So you should know better than most that bullshit like that combined with a cop’s “he was nervous” bullshit is nothing but that: BULLSHIT. [/QUOTE] Well, there is room for arguing that the law gives police too much leeway in circumstances like this, and that the definition of “reasonable articulable suspicion” is so broad as to allow cops to conduct a body pat-down pretty much whenever they want. Terms like “he was nervous” can’t really be confirmed or denied later, and provide police with the fig leaf they need for conducting a Terry frisk of just about anyone. Also, as **Bricker** recently informed me in another thread, while a Terry search’s purpose is to allow the cop to secure his own safety by checking for weapons, if the cop, in the process of patting the person down, feels anything that his experience tells him is illegal (e.g., a crack pipe) then he is allowed to use that as the basis for arrest. I’m not sure how i feel about that, personally. While i think the idea of a Terry search is a good idea, one that has probably saved the lives of police _and_ civilians, i think that the scope of the search should be restricted to weapons only, otherwise the Terry search merely becomes a pretext for an actual search. Of course, if you don’t keep your dope (or whatever) in your pocket, but in your glove compartment or under your seat, it won’t get found in a Terry frisk. But dude, i think it’s time for you to let this thread go for a while. Like you, i get steamed up when cops abuse their authority. I’ve complained about it in a few recent threads. But i really don’t think the situation you’re describing qualifies as such an instance. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/71 "2006-09-14T14:32:37Z")
**Eleusis** , I’m a defense attorney and I like nothing better than catching a cop in an illegal search. I usually start drooling a little bit, and I sometimes get a boner. The facts of **Loach’s** hypothetical just don’t amount to an illegal search. He pulled the guy over for a traffic violation. A cracked windshield isn’t a traffic violation around here, to my knowledge, but if it’s a violation there he’s well within his rights to pull him over. Heck, let’s change the hypo and say he followed the guy around for a few blocks until he made a turn without signaling because he was suspicious as to why two young black teenagers were driving a brand new SUV with temporary tags in an area known for drug activity and he just wanted to get a closer look. Still perfectly legal; [Whren v. U.S.](http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-5841.ZO.html), 517 U.S. 806 (1996). Once he had the guy pulled over, he acted nervous _and_ behaved in such a way that made the officer reasonably believe a frisk was necessary for his safety. This is not a search for drugs or evidence, this is a pat down for weapons to make sure the officer is not in any danger. It’s legal for him to do so; [Terry v. Ohio](http://www.soc.umn.edu/~samaha/cases/terry%20v%20ohio.html), 392 U.S. 1, 1968. If he feels a small object that _might_ be a crack rock, he can’t poke and squeeze it to investigate further, because he’s supposed to be searching for a weapon for his own safety; [Minnesota v. Dickerson](http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/91-2019.ZO.html), 508 U.S. 366 (1993). If he feels a gun it’s a different story. You may not agree with **Loach’s** hypo, but that’s not his fault. If you have a beef it’s with the Supreme Court. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/72 "2006-09-14T14:34:23Z")
[QUOTE=Eleusis] Ha! So you’re even a bigger asshole than I thought. A liar to boot. Good on you. [/QUOTE] 😕😕😕 Whatever drug you’re on, you need to stop. Or if you’ve got prescription meds you need to be taking but haven’t been, then you need to start. You seem to have made up a fairy tale about **Loach** that appears solely within your own head. You keep referring back to it, but since none of the rest of us know just what **Loach** did to you in that fairy world, what you post sounds like complete gibberish. At least, that’s what it looks like to me. You need to accept that none of what you perceive as **Loach** ’s “asshole behavior” ever actually happened and step away from the computer. If you’re seeing a psychiatrist, you might direct him or her to this thread, maybe they can help you through this troubling time you seem to be going through. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/73 "2006-09-14T14:35:10Z")
[QUOTE=August West] **Eleusis** , you have fucking lost it. **LOACH** HAS NOT PULLED ANYONE OVER FOR A CRACKED WINDSHIELD! HE NEVER CLAIMED TO! Your willful ignorance in this matter is hard to comprehend, how many people have to point this out to you before you clean the saliva from your glasses and READ! If there is an asshole in this thread, his face is reflected in your monitor. [/QUOTE] He _condones_ it, you fucking bitch. I _don’t_, you fucking bitch. (I know that’s a male name, but you’re still a bitch for piling on) My “willful ignorance” is just about equal to everybody in this goddamn thread, considering that nobody has even listened to my FUCKING point about GETTING FUCKING PULLED OVER FOR A FUCKING CRACKED FUCKING WINDSHIELD AND FUCK JERKED OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR AND FUCKING SEARCHED. FUCK YOU. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/74 "2006-09-14T14:36:22Z")
[QUOTE=Eleusis] I assume you’re a prosecuter then. Fuck you too, and include yourself in the pitting, asshole. [/QUOTE] Oh boy oh boy oh boy. My first quasi-pitting by imputation. Allow me to retort: 1. It’s prosecut **o** r. 2. Never been one. Don’t think the job would be a good fit for me. I’ve met my share, though. Nice folks mostly. And I’ve handled my share of criminal cases–every one for the defense. 3. Just for good measure, please fuck yourself with a stuffed penguin. 4. You get an E in criminal procedure. > [@](#): > > The only dealings I’ve had with cops in the last eight years have been road blocks, and the good cops have let me through. I take it the bad cops found your weapons? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/75 "2006-09-14T14:37:44Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Link please to the actual post where he was bragging. **Loach** : This looks like a very good pitting for you. Always good to be pitted by someone who is irrational and foaming at the mouth. BTW: I have a cracked windshield, is that really grounds to be pulled over? It is on the passenger side. Jim [/QUOTE] I don’t have my books with me and as I have mentioned it’s not one I look up regularly. It’s somewhere in the equipment statutes, 39:3-something (39:3-74, 39:3-75?). The only violation that can not be used as a primary stop is the cell phone law. There must be another reason for the stop. If the ticket is actually written it is something like a $44 fine and no points. Until Trenton decides there is no other way to balance the budget. Well off to the doctor. Thank you all for a very satisfactory Pitting. I’ll be here all week. Tip your waitresses. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/76 "2006-09-14T14:40:39Z")
[QUOTE=pravnik] **Eleusis** , I’m a defense attorney and I like nothing better than catching a cop in an illegal search. I usually start drooling a little bit, and I sometimes get a boner. The facts of **Loach’s** hypothetical just don’t amount to an illegal search. He pulled the guy over for a traffic violation. A cracked windshield isn’t a traffic violation around here, to my knowledge, but if it’s a violation there he’s well within his rights to pull him over. Heck, let’s change the hypo and say he followed the guy around for a few blocks until he made a turn without signaling because he was suspicious as to why two young black teenagers were driving a brand new SUV with temporary tags in an area known for drug activity and he just wanted to get a closer look. Still perfectly legal; [Whren v. U.S.](http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-5841.ZO.html), 517 U.S. 806 (1996). Once he had the guy pulled over, he acted nervous _and_ behaved in such a way that made the officer reasonably believe a frisk was necessary for his safety. This is not a search for drugs or evidence, this is a pat down for weapons to make sure the officer is not in any danger. It’s legal for him to do so; [Terry v. Ohio](http://www.soc.umn.edu/~samaha/cases/terry%20v%20ohio.html), 392 U.S. 1, 1968. If he feels a small object that _might_ be a crack rock, he can’t poke and squeeze it to investigate further, because he’s supposed to be searching for a weapon for his own safety; [Minnesota v. Dickerson](http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/91-2019.ZO.html), 508 U.S. 366 (1993). If he feels a gun it’s a different story. You may not agree with **Loach’s** hypo, but that’s not his fault. If you have a beef it’s with the Supreme Court. [/QUOTE] Thank you, **Pravnik**. At least one person can read. Did I once, anywhere, say it wasn’t legal? I said it wasn’t fucking RIGHT. I don’t CARE if it’s hypothetical (though I doubt it, given his attitude). It’s WRONG, and against FREEDOM. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/77 "2006-09-14T14:41:52Z")
[QUOTE=yojimbo] Can you bend spoons with your mind as well? [/QUOTE] Yeah, coke spoons. Eleusis, get a grip. Those five turds you dropped in GQ oughtta get you bounced permanently, but the bleedin’-heart mods will probably only suspend you. Fuck off back to MPSIMS, you’ve got no business here. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/78 "2006-09-14T14:43:26Z")
[QUOTE=Eleusis] Thank you, **Pravnik**. At least one person can read. Did I once, anywhere, say it wasn’t legal? I said it wasn’t fucking RIGHT. I don’t CARE if it’s hypothetical (though I doubt it, given his attitude). It’s WRONG, and against FREEDOM. [/QUOTE] I’m pitting his piss poor ATTITUDE, as a piss poor COP, thinking it’s cool to pull people over and search them for practically nothing. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/79 "2006-09-14T14:48:20Z")
[QUOTE=Eleusis] FUCK JERKED [/QUOTE] Is this some strange new practice combining elements of intercourse and masturbation, or does it describe being pulled out of a car for acting like a fucking weirdo? ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672/80 "2006-09-14T14:48:32Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] bounced permanently [/quote] Yeah, because an unpopular opinion, etc etc etc > [@](#): > > but the bleedin’-heart mods will probably only suspend you. Doubt it, but hell, let’s see. > [@](#): > > Fuck off back to MPSIMS, you’ve got no business here. I have no business in the pit. Wowzers. FOBTMPS reminds me of somewhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loach-is-a-dickhead-fucking-cop/372672.md?page=5)